"Social Square" 49 players Gunboat Series

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Re: "Social Square" 49 players Gunboat Series

by wifik » Tue Sep 03, 2024 10:44 am

Has this happened yet?

Re: "Social Square" 49 players Gunboat Series

by Shildsurfermaster » Mon Jan 22, 2024 7:57 pm

Can I play with you guys? :-)

Re: "Social Square" 49 players Gunboat Series

by gimix » Mon Sep 04, 2023 6:14 am

UnknownHero wrote:
Sun Sep 03, 2023 3:52 am
In order to run this without a full slate of 49 players, I believe the requirement of "play each other player exactly once" would have to be relaxed. You could ensure that each player plays each other player either once or twice, while retaining the feature that each player gets to play as all countries at least once. (Or, in this imperfect matchup scenario, I imagine it could be set up as 7 games for each player with each player playing as each country once, though I won't attempt the math to prove if this can be done in all cases.)

It reminds me of a time I organized the races for a pinewood derby. (Races of wooden model cars down a sloped track, where imperfections in the track mean that rotating through tracks fairly is important.) I used this tool at the time, which could have been used for this purpose except that it only accommodates up to 6 tracks, not 7:

http://stanpope.net/ppngen.html

This type of match-up chart is known as "Partial Perfect-N", while the initial proposal in this thread would be called "Perfect-N" under this terminology.
This is really interesting. I will try and see whether it can be adapted to the use case here

Re: "Social Square" 49 players Gunboat Series

by gimix » Mon Sep 04, 2023 6:12 am

Kench wrote:
Sat Sep 02, 2023 2:55 pm
Hey, I'm glad this showed up on Discord. I've not been around in a while but this sounds like a lot of fun! Am I too late to sign up?
You're definitely not too late, we're very far from reaching the needed number of players. Can we count you in?

Re: "Social Square" 49 players Gunboat Series

by UnknownHero » Sun Sep 03, 2023 3:52 am

In order to run this without a full slate of 49 players, I believe the requirement of "play each other player exactly once" would have to be relaxed. You could ensure that each player plays each other player either once or twice, while retaining the feature that each player gets to play as all countries at least once. (Or, in this imperfect matchup scenario, I imagine it could be set up as 7 games for each player with each player playing as each country once, though I won't attempt the math to prove if this can be done in all cases.)

It reminds me of a time I organized the races for a pinewood derby. (Races of wooden model cars down a sloped track, where imperfections in the track mean that rotating through tracks fairly is important.) I used this tool at the time, which could have been used for this purpose except that it only accommodates up to 6 tracks, not 7:

http://stanpope.net/ppngen.html

This type of match-up chart is known as "Partial Perfect-N", while the initial proposal in this thread would be called "Perfect-N" under this terminology.

Re: "Social Square" 49 players Gunboat Series

by Kench » Sat Sep 02, 2023 2:55 pm

Hey, I'm glad this showed up on Discord. I've not been around in a while but this sounds like a lot of fun! Am I too late to sign up?

Kench

Re: "Social Square" 49 players Gunboat Series

by DarthPorg36 » Sat Sep 02, 2023 12:14 pm

No you're definitely right...

what if we just made them open games? Like, Social Square Round 1 Group 1, and if random people join then we consider them in? Although people may not be happy about being forced into 7 games.

We need more advertising for this challenge!

Otherwise we just do some other challenge.

Re: "Social Square" 49 players Gunboat Series

by gimix » Sat Sep 02, 2023 10:26 am

DarthPorg36 wrote:
Thu Aug 31, 2023 5:02 pm
It may take a while to get 49 players. Is there a way we can do this without a full rank? Or is it better to wait a long time?
Unfortunately, the only option I know of is to reach 49, unless someone better than me at mathematics can help.

Say we have T total players, and G players per game (7): we obviously need T to be a multiple of G, and the "meet each opponent exactly once" requirement can be fullfilled only when T-1 is a multiple of G-1 too, since ech player will have to meet T-1 opponents, and will meet G-1 of them at a time.
So T must be a multiple of 7 and T-1 must be a multiple of 6. This means T = 7x7 = 49 (well, or 7x1, which is a bit trivial, or 7x13, 7x19, ..., which are definitely unpractical).

Re: "Social Square" 49 players Gunboat Series

by DarthPorg36 » Thu Aug 31, 2023 5:02 pm

It may take a while to get 49 players. Is there a way we can do this without a full rank? Or is it better to wait a long time?

Re: "Social Square" 49 players Gunboat Series

by gimix » Sun Aug 27, 2023 5:44 pm

New England Fire Squad wrote:
Fri Aug 25, 2023 10:08 pm
I assume these games will be ranked for GR purposes? I'm also fine with any bet size
Ranked seems ok to me. The bet size will have to be smallish since some players may not have, or want to spend, the points needed to join 8 high bet games at the same time

Re: "Social Square" 49 players Gunboat Series

by UnknownHero » Sat Aug 26, 2023 5:08 am

I'll join, this sounds fantastic.

1. New England Fire Squad: 217
2. Troodonte: 198
3. UnknownHero: 117
4. sweetandcool: 114
5. Ferdack: 104
6. Jamesa7171: 104
7. DarthPorg36: 97
8. VonEconomo: 94
9. Hamilton Brian: 79

Re: "Social Square" 49 players Gunboat Series

by New England Fire Squad » Fri Aug 25, 2023 10:08 pm

I assume these games will be ranked for GR purposes? I'm also fine with any bet size

Re: "Social Square" 49 players Gunboat Series

by sweetandcool » Fri Aug 25, 2023 9:27 pm

1. New England Fire Squad: 217
2. Troodonte: 198
3. sweetandcool: 114
4. Ferdack: 104
5. Jamesa7171: 104
6. DarthPorg36: 97
7. VonEconomo: 94
8. Hamilton Brian: 79

Re: "Social Square" 49 players Gunboat Series

by Hamilton Brian » Fri Aug 25, 2023 8:33 pm

Adding myself.
1. New England Fire Squad: 217
2. Troodonte: 198
3. Ferdack: 104
3. Jamesa7171: 104
5. DarthPorg36: 97
6. VonEconomo: 94
7. Hamilton Brian: 79

Re: "Social Square" 49 players Gunboat Series

by gimix » Fri Aug 25, 2023 3:37 pm

updating/sorting the list and putting in the rating (not the position)
1. New England Fire Squad: 217
2. Troodonte: 198
3. Ferdack: 104
3. Jamesa7171: 104
5. DarthPorg36: 97
6. VonEconomo: 94

Re: "Social Square" 49 players Gunboat Series

by DarthPorg36 » Fri Aug 25, 2023 3:12 pm

Count me officially in!

Re: Top 100 Gunboat

by New England Fire Squad » Fri Aug 25, 2023 2:18 pm

gimix wrote:
Wed Aug 23, 2023 1:06 pm
I would be willing to manage something bigger if enough people are interested:
  • 49 players, so 7 boards per round
  • 8 rounds
  • each player is guaranteed to meet each opponent exactly once
  • each player is guaranteed to play a different country in the first 7 rounds, while the 8th round will have random country assignments
I don't expect this to be a "top 100 gunboat", let's say we take the best 49 subscribers based on gunboat GRs; other subscribers may sub-in if needed

Settings to be defined with the participants, but surely
  • gunboat
  • anonymous
And then I'd say
  • some level of simultaneity, i.e.:
    • all games start at the same time, or
    • first N rounds start at once, then each new game starts as soon as all the players in it have no more than N-1 running games
  • a reasonably high RR (80%?)
  • a "tournament" scoring system: tbd
  • excused missed turns, phase length, etc: tbd
Someone interested?
Looks fantastic, I'm in for sure.

Re: "Social Square" 49 players Gunboat Series

by New England Fire Squad » Fri Aug 25, 2023 2:17 pm

1. Troodonte: 198
2. Ferdack: 104
2. Jamesa7171: 104
4. VonEconomo: 94
5. New England Fire Squad: 19

"Social Square" 49 players Gunboat Series

by gimix » Thu Aug 24, 2023 10:12 am

I'm moving here the messages related to this proposed event that were originally posted in Top 100 Gunboat

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