Mafia 88: Murder at the Meadery - GAME THREAD

[DiplomacyandWarfare]

Luckily we can still refer back to D1 and D2 with the bot. I am very lousy with using the search feature in the forum.

However, I'd like to get a closer reread of worcej.

But Dip, how couldn't you have known Lord was dead when you wrote that they were a scum read? I don't get that. Slip? Rehearsed? Pre-written?

Well, this is the disadvantage of having a nonfunctional bot, I guess. I don't remember seeing Chaqa say LordofWords is dead. Are you trolling me?

Oooh. Should we all post “if I’m the cop my scans are…” in the last 10 minutes of day?

I am so tired of mechs and claiming and crud.

Bunny's suggestion is sound and I agree with it.

It isn't a claim, it's a way of protecting the cop while they're alive AND getting actual cop scan target data if and when the cop dies.

It might reveal who the cop is, though. This sort of thing was also attempted in M87 and fizzled out pretty quickly.

[Vecna]

Oooh. Should we all post “if I’m the cop my scans are…” in the last 10 minutes of day?

ill try, but its a long holiday weekend here starting tomorrow so im not sure ill be around at EoD.

Last post of day…? The point is just for all the VT to provide cover for the cop to publicly claim their knowledge clearly.

yeah np

[Vecna]

Oooh. Should we all post “if I’m the cop my scans are…” in the last 10 minutes of day?

I like this idea. I don't see a downside; can anyone point one out?

the downside is obviously narrowing it down for mafia since they can cross off people with scans that can not be true.

[Spartaculous]

It might reveal who the cop is, though. This sort of thing was also attempted in M87 and fizzled out pretty quickly.

Okay, let's chase this out. Pretend (for the sake of argument) that you are the clerk and I am not the clerk. You would list off three scans you made. Presumably you tell the truth (or else what's the point of this?).

Meanwhile, I make up two fake scans (since I was roleblocked last night). If I slip up and list a Mafia player as "town", then they will instantly know I am faking this, which then basically rules me out as clerk.

So Bunny's plan does offer some protection to the clerk, but it is not bulletproof.

[Hamilton Brian]

Oooh. Should we all post “if I’m the cop my scans are…” in the last 10 minutes of day?

I like this idea. I don't see a downside; can anyone point one out?

the downside is obviously narrowing it down for mafia since they can cross off people with scans that can not be true.

Yes, and if the sentences is in the hypothetical, that should negate it, right? Would "If I were cop I would scan..." be better?

No, you're right, and I see that downside as being bad, but not the worst thing.

[bozotheclown]

Oooh. Should we all post “if I’m the cop my scans are…” in the last 10 minutes of day?

I like the idea, but why wait until EOD?

[sweetandcool]

In addition to my rejection of this plan as a matter of principle, I can't help but think there is something desperately wrong with it.

I wonder why it's not standard practice to follow this plan in all other vanilla games? Or is it standard practice and I am ignorant?

Is Bunny just suggesting Clerk claim?

I violently want to Scum and Town Bunny over all of this.

[bozotheclown]

In addition to my rejection of this plan as a matter of principle, I can't help but think there is something desperately wrong with it.

I wonder why it's not standard practice to follow this plan in all other vanilla games? Or is it standard practice and I am ignorant?

Is Bunny just suggesting Clerk claim?

I violently want to Scum and Town Bunny over all of this.

It has been done before, with mixed success. The idea is to know the cop's scans if they are NKed without them having to claim.

[sweetandcool]

In addition to my rejection of this plan as a matter of principle, I can't help but think there is something desperately wrong with it.

I wonder why it's not standard practice to follow this plan in all other vanilla games? Or is it standard practice and I am ignorant?

Is Bunny just suggesting Clerk claim?

I violently want to Scum and Town Bunny over all of this.

It has been done before, with mixed success. The idea is to know the cop's scans if they are NKed without them having to claim.

Oh okay, then we should definitely not do the plan.

I have already figured out who the true cop is and noticed their scan crumbs. I'd rather not force them to be "obvious".

[bozotheclown]

Not much time left, and I suppose I need to cast my vote. I’m inclined to break the tie one way or the other. If either side is willing to drop a TLDR of reasons within 10 mins, I’ll read it and weigh the options. Will’s side has more reasons overall, so I’m inclined to go that direction right now. If no one drops anything, I’m going to

##Vote will

Here is the Damo case:

He has posted five times. 92 words. He has shown no curiosity about the game nor interest in solving it. He also has a built-in visibility cloak that he knows well of "Damo doesn't do anything Day 1 as Town" to hide behind.

Players who do not appear to have a puzzle to solve, and who take no risks and make no effort have a greater than random chance of being scum. Voting out this behavior is good for Town.

Here’s the thing, damo did indeed pick up the pace last game. I’m fine with that behavior again, and am willing to spare him.

Damo was scum last game....just FYI

kingofthepirates choosing Just but leaving himself open to being convinced to change his vote could be an indication of bussing. Balki making a case for damo could be scum motivated as well. They could also both be mafia with Balki giving kingofthepirates a chance to change his vote.

[bozotheclown]

Maybe Balki/Bonatogether/kingofthepirates, with Jamie and worcej as alternates?

[bozotheclown]

##VOTE Balki

[bozotheclown]

kingofthepirates could have been looking for a town to convince him to change his vote D1, and did not want to be "convinced" by his teammate.

[bozotheclown]

Hamilton, DandW, and sweetandcool are looking more like town, so kingofthepirates and Balki are looking more likely to be mafia.

[sweetandcool]

Hamilton, DandW, and sweetandcool are looking more like town, so kingofthepirates and Balki are looking more likely to be mafia.

How are we looking more Town?

Ham is widely scumread (although maybe Bunny's argument will change that), Dip is looking super scummy, and I don't know why I would look better for pushing so hard to flip LoW.

[bozotheclown]

Top 4 town reads…go!

Top scum read…go!

##vote kingof

In the words of Phoenix Wright: HOLD IT!
Don’t jump the gun voting for me.
Townreads:
Bona, Jamie, bozo, idk last slot, those are my 3 more or less clear reads. Maybe ghug? Rivera also looks nice, but not much d2 substance.

Scum read:
Dunno. I don’t like damos shot, but I don’t think it necessarily is scummy, especially with the claim. Though it’s very possible that damo is self aware enough that if they were scum, they could make the claim and go for town cred, knowing we wouldn’t go for the kill. Spartaculous I also don’t like too much. So between those two probably.

Try again but with more nuanced thoughts about more players.

E.g. you don't explain why you don't like Sparta. You sound pretty unconvinced by damo being scum and seem to only include him just because.

You have no reasons to Town anybody? Why is the nice?

Why is rdr nice*

Towns: generally being helpful and vibes. I refuse to go off ‘tells’ (still don’t know them, and I’m not taking anyone’s word on tells until I see them myself over several games), or past game patterns (“oh in X game Y did Z, and was role/alignment, and now Y is doing Z, so must be role/alignment”, doesn’t seem to have come up yet, but I’m throwing this out as something I will not do), and I do not have time to do lengthy analysis with AP season coming. But I’ve seen my town reads generally being active and helpful. I think both RBs have chances of being town. Rdr I include because of general helpfulness d1, and not participating d2 is fair given irl circumstances.

Specifics:
bona was active d1 and while many posts feel like wild shooting in every direction, I think their willingness to jump right out and go for the throat is courage only town would dare.
Jamie has been actively sniffing very hard, and I like that. Good vibes, though incorrectly followed up with my senator question (the answer: MY SOURCE IS THAT I MADE IT TF UP, a metal gear meme).
Bozo: also actively sniffing, some good questions and hard grilling.

Sweet, ur on my town reads as well, just not as solidly, similar reasons to bozo. I can’t really elaborate further, specifics are hard to tie down and I’m going with my gut on some (like bozo’s questioning feeling right), but that’s all I can say for now.

If kingofthepirates is mafia, there was some pocketing in these posts. Based on these posts, kingofthepirates/Balki/worcej seems to fit OK.

[BunnyGo]

Oooh. Should we all post “if I’m the cop my scans are…” in the last 10 minutes of day?

I am a fan of the idea but how does it compare to bozo's "WHo do you think is mafia" survey? The one that only a few filled out?

I am a really big fan of the idea.

Everyone should do their best to say who they would have scanned N1/N2/N3. And what the results are.

Only way scum can be sure you’re lying is if you have one of them as town or TWO of us as scum.

[bozotheclown]

Hamilton, DandW, and sweetandcool are looking more like town, so kingofthepirates and Balki are looking more likely to be mafia.

How are we looking more Town?

Ham is widely scumread (although maybe Bunny's argument will change that), Dip is looking super scummy, and I don't know why I would look better for pushing so hard to flip LoW.

If the mafia thought damo could be the cop, it was probably because of Hamilton, I don't think DandW would risk pretending to think LoW was still in the game, and you are being more inconsistent than you probably would be as mafia.

[BunnyGo]

Oooh. Should we all post “if I’m the cop my scans are…” in the last 10 minutes of day?

I am so tired of mechs and claiming and crud.

OH?! You want our cop to die WITHOUT a clear statement of information?! Who are you and where is sweet?

[BunnyGo]

Oooh. Should we all post “if I’m the cop my scans are…” in the last 10 minutes of day?

I like this idea. I don't see a downside; can anyone point one out?

the downside is obviously narrowing it down for mafia since they can cross off people with scans that can not be true.

This. Luckily they can’t cross off a false scum scan (THANKS MILLER!!)