M72 - “Echoes of Evelyn” - Game Thread [HIDDEN]

[BobMcBob]

Bob, Chaqa, HR, probably move your votes yeah?

Yeah.


No.

pls bob, gold is a bad call right now.

can i interest you in a shiny new ghug wagon?

Why is he a bad call? What is the underlying logic for why it is so much better to not flip gold/maniac yet?

[Jamiet99uk]

So likely partners for goldfinger are Donny, Bona, damo, Vecna and celaph.

This line also appears to forget that Durga was scum.

Bob, you're not doing very well here.

There were not enough meaningful interactions with Durga that seemed scum-scum. There absolutely were with Vecna and celaph. There is a logic to my madness, most of the time.

If you think Gold is scum, then Durga is as much a partner for him as Vecna and Celaph BECAUSE ALL THREE OF THEM HAVE FLIPPED SCUM. omg

[kgray]

I legit think this is worse than me floating Maniac/gold as a scumteam. You can have your title of worst player back goldie. This is the actual scummiest suggestion I've heard all game.

Goldie is my best bet to GF, but we need to find goon first.

Do we though? What are the benefits of that? THe only benefits of flipping outside gold/Man is that we might find the godfather if neither of them are one, otherwise there is no benefit at all. Please explain to me what on earth the benefit actually is. Sure they scanned innocent, but at this point there's a 50% chance of any scum left scanning inno.

there is a 50% chance the remaining scum would scan inno but there wasn't always, something something that gameshow problem with the three doors

also there is only a 1/13 chance that someone in this game who scanned inno is scum, which is really terribly low odds

pls move your vote

[Hellenic Riot]

I'm beginning to come around on Jamie here though. He's having far too much fun and jokes. This is not the town-Jamie I remember.

[BobMcBob]

Bob, Chaqa, HR, probably move your votes yeah?

Yeah.

No.

Do you understand that the cop has died and that he told us what his scans were?

Are you *certain* that Goldfinger is the Godfather and that Maniac is Town?

Because your vote implies that either (a) you are certain of that, or (b) you haven't got a fucking clue what is going on.

I don't see any reason to not vote scum. He's barely less likely to be scum than anyone else from a theory standpoint.

[BesharamSabi]

GM Note:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_th ... ss_Chicken

[goldfinger0303]

I would say keep hunting among the low posters. I mean even Durga, aside from N1, was always in the bottom half. So keep hunting there until we run out of scummy people there to hunt

I legit think this is worse than me floating Maniac/gold as a scumteam. You can have your title of worst player back goldie. This is the actual scummiest suggestion I've heard all game.

What, you mean that since scum have held a distinctive pattern throughout this game of dropping off the radar when under pressure, that we should break from our pattern of voting them anyways?

No, no. Rdrivera, bona or HR are the way to go.

I'm surprised how many people seem to be scumreading ghug. My little bit aside, he has genuinely been one of the towniest people in this game. The fake rb D2 was pretty townie. He pressures at the right time on the right people. I mean, yeah ghug could be God tier scum right now this game, but that shouldn't be who we vote *right now* when we have bona who was somehow disappointed we got out celaph and rdrivera who has followed a posting pattern similar to scum, and did not repeat word-for-word when I asked him if he was 100% vanilla town (which he says he never lies about...supposedly. I didn't check him on it, but if he's making that claim in this crowd without someone calling him on it, I'll believe it)

[Bonatogether]

I don't like the rdr wagon cause I think he's town and I'm not sure about the people on it

I can't read ghug or donny so idk, but I town the people on both wagons

goldie is someone I scumread but that wagon isn't gonna take off today off of that game theory thing

HR is strongly town for me

##vote ghug on the basis of creating competitive wagons

Why do you townread me so strongly?

the shit with vecna on the day you got voted out that i explained

[goldfinger0303]

GM Note:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_th ... ss_Chicken

Damn, last time I question the GM

[kgray]

I don't really see how Donny was under such little pressure D1. I called him out for something, he responded poorly... And a lot of people commented on that (not me in fact, as I'd gone to sleep). Perhaps the wagon wasn't there, but he was certainly digging himself a grave for a while. He then rescued it later on, but I think he was a pretty reasonable early bus candidate for a time.

As for looking for a miskill - You're voting ghug.

nah i really don't think that's what was going on with donny d1.

you townread ghug? why?

I don't really see a reason not to townread ghug. Why do you think he's scum? Do you think he's deliberately prodding the bear in pushing Jamie for so long in a Jamie town vs ghug scum scenario?

i wasn't aware there was such a strong jamie vs ghug thing going on?

i just feel like him being so uninvolved except when it's EOD is shady and i feel like he's trying to blend in. i don't have a case or anything

[Bonatogether]

VOTE COUNT VERSION 5.04

rdrivera2005 (4) TheFlyingBoat ghug Maniac Chaqa
Bonatogether (4) Jamiet99uk Donny Dude damo666 goldfinger0303
ghug (3) rdrivera2005 kgray Bonatogether
Donny Dude (1) Hellenic Riot
goldfinger0303 (1) BobMcBob

EOD 56 mins

where is the fun fact

worst gm

[Hellenic Riot]

Yeah.

No.

Do you understand that the cop has died and that he told us what his scans were?

Are you *certain* that Goldfinger is the Godfather and that Maniac is Town?

Because your vote implies that either (a) you are certain of that, or (b) you haven't got a fucking clue what is going on.

I don't see any reason to not vote scum. He's barely less likely to be scum than anyone else from a theory standpoint.

I'm 99% sure Gold is the GF, but the problem is that if we're wrong we killed a potential clear. That's bad. That's the end of discussion.

If we're going to have kill the Goon anyway, which we are, why not go for them first? If you think Goldie is scum, fantastic, look for partner interactions with that assumption in your mind already.

[BobMcBob]

This line also appears to forget that Durga was scum.

Bob, you're not doing very well here.

There were not enough meaningful interactions with Durga that seemed scum-scum. There absolutely were with Vecna and celaph. There is a logic to my madness, most of the time.

If you think Gold is scum, then Durga is as much a partner for him as Vecna and Celaph BECAUSE ALL THREE OF THEM HAVE FLIPPED SCUM. omg

Well obviously, I'm not quite that dumb, but there are no interactions with Durga that particularly strengthen the case on goldie. There are interactions with Vecna and celaph that do strengthen the case on him. If he is in fact scum then yes, Durga would also be on his team. That doesn't mean there are any interactions between them that suggest that. Would you like to vote me yet?

[BobMcBob]

Goldie is my best bet to GF, but we need to find goon first.

Do we though? What are the benefits of that? THe only benefits of flipping outside gold/Man is that we might find the godfather if neither of them are one, otherwise there is no benefit at all. Please explain to me what on earth the benefit actually is. Sure they scanned innocent, but at this point there's a 50% chance of any scum left scanning inno.

there is a 50% chance the remaining scum would scan inno but there wasn't always, something something that gameshow problem with the three doors

also there is only a 1/13 chance that someone in this game who scanned inno is scum, which is really terribly low odds

pls move your vote

There's also a 1/13 chance that ghug is scum from a theory standpoint. Please move your vote, preferably to someone who scanned as scum.

[Hellenic Riot]

nah i really don't think that's what was going on with donny d1.

you townread ghug? why?

I don't really see a reason not to townread ghug. Why do you think he's scum? Do you think he's deliberately prodding the bear in pushing Jamie for so long in a Jamie town vs ghug scum scenario?

i wasn't aware there was such a strong jamie vs ghug thing going on?

i just feel like him being so uninvolved except when it's EOD is shady and i feel like he's trying to blend in. i don't have a case or anything

ghug's been pushing the 'Jamie hardbussed his entire team' argument for a few days now. It's a bold move to make as scum given Jamie's willingness to OMGUS, his unrelenting drive when he scumreads someone, and the fact there seemed to be nobody else particularly buying this theory.

[kgray]

I would say keep hunting among the low posters. I mean even Durga, aside from N1, was always in the bottom half. So keep hunting there until we run out of scummy people there to hunt

I legit think this is worse than me floating Maniac/gold as a scumteam. You can have your title of worst player back goldie. This is the actual scummiest suggestion I've heard all game.

What, you mean that since scum have held a distinctive pattern throughout this game of dropping off the radar when under pressure, that we should break from our pattern of voting them anyways?

No, no. Rdrivera, bona or HR are the way to go.

I'm surprised how many people seem to be scumreading ghug. My little bit aside, he has genuinely been one of the towniest people in this game. The fake rb D2 was pretty townie. He pressures at the right time on the right people. I mean, yeah ghug could be God tier scum right now this game, but that shouldn't be who we vote *right now* when we have bona who was somehow disappointed we got out celaph and rdrivera who has followed a posting pattern similar to scum, and did not repeat word-for-word when I asked him if he was 100% vanilla town (which he says he never lies about...supposedly. I didn't check him on it, but if he's making that claim in this crowd without someone calling him on it, I'll believe it)

HR didn't drop off the radar when he was under pressure the last day

why does scum!bona do that crap about how we should've flipped boatman instead of pretending to be happy we got celaph? that implies he's terrible as scum and he's not, he was very widely townread when he was scum before.

[Jamiet99uk]

There were not enough meaningful interactions with Durga that seemed scum-scum. There absolutely were with Vecna and celaph. There is a logic to my madness, most of the time.

If you think Gold is scum, then Durga is as much a partner for him as Vecna and Celaph BECAUSE ALL THREE OF THEM HAVE FLIPPED SCUM. omg

Well obviously, I'm not quite that dumb, but there are no interactions with Durga that particularly strengthen the case on goldie. There are interactions with Vecna and celaph that do strengthen the case on him. If he is in fact scum then yes, Durga would also be on his team. That doesn't mean there are any interactions between them that suggest that. Would you like to vote me yet?

I'm not accusing you of being scum.

Who are your scumreads other than Goldfinger?

[Bonatogether]

I mean, yeah ghug could be God tier scum right now this game, but that shouldn't be who we vote *right now* when we have bona who was somehow disappointed we got out celaph and rdrivera who has followed a posting pattern similar to scum, and did not repeat word-for-word when I asked him if he was 100% vanilla town

This is literally just NAI. rdr is a lowposter and always will be. There's nothing scummy at all about that.

[ghug]

ugh i don't understand why you think it's maniac anyway

maybe it's just chaqa

I don’t understand why you think it’s ghug. He’s probably my strongest townread

Fuck, Chaqa's scum.

[kgray]

Do we though? What are the benefits of that? THe only benefits of flipping outside gold/Man is that we might find the godfather if neither of them are one, otherwise there is no benefit at all. Please explain to me what on earth the benefit actually is. Sure they scanned innocent, but at this point there's a 50% chance of any scum left scanning inno.

there is a 50% chance the remaining scum would scan inno but there wasn't always, something something that gameshow problem with the three doors

also there is only a 1/13 chance that someone in this game who scanned inno is scum, which is really terribly low odds

pls move your vote

There's also a 1/13 chance that ghug is scum from a theory standpoint. Please move your vote, preferably to someone who scanned as scum.

no my dude, it's a 2/13 chance ghug is scum. literally double the odds. goldie literally scanned as town and you're becoming unbearable