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KiNg Of DiPlOmAcY (270 D)
14 Aug 12 UTC
Looking for Sitter
I will be gone for a week and I'm looking for a sitter. I am currently in 3 games.

PM me and I'll give you the password.
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thatonekid (0 DX)
14 Aug 12 UTC
Come Join :D
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=97390
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achillies27 (100 D)
14 Aug 12 UTC
Kick Zmaj's butt! Only 20d!
This is going to be 2 WTA games, one full press and one gunboat. I will be participating, and I ya want to join, I know the pass.
Also, this game will have a pause on the weekend of the 25th, and it will be 1 day phases.
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viejo (100 D)
14 Aug 12 UTC
Gunboats-3
Great game, Ayreon!
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dipplayer2004 (1110 D)
14 Aug 12 UTC
EOG: The World Forum
Any thoughts on our experiment in Public Press World Variant?
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onlynowintheend (100 D)
14 Aug 12 UTC
Join new game gameID=97367
gameID=97367 Newbies and veterans alike are welcome.
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djakarta97 (358 D)
11 Aug 12 UTC
A Greeting
It seems that we all compete against each other yet know so little about each other outside of WebDiplomacy. In this thread, we'll all state something interesting about ourselves.

For me, I collect coins.
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Zmaj (215 D(B))
14 Aug 12 UTC
EoG: Zmaj is going DOWN!!
gameID=97323 Q.E.D.
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NigeeBaby (100 D(G))
02 Aug 12 UTC
***Donations***
I've just made a contribution to KKK ...... Kestas Kyriakin.
I must be honest it felt great but for some strange random reason I paid in Aussie dollars ...... how mad is that !!
I urge all regular losers (I mean Users of course) to see if you have any spare Aussie Dollars in their Paypal account and do likewise
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Zmaj (215 D(B))
14 Aug 12 UTC
EoG: LIVEEEEE-2
gameID=97325 You cruel people.
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Gunfighter06 (224 D)
13 Aug 12 UTC
Top Five Beverages
Let's do a top five thread that we have not done for some time. Share and discuss your personal top five beverages.
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onlynowintheend (100 D)
14 Aug 12 UTC
New game, need 3 more
gameID=97320 password canonlybeone
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onlynowintheend (100 D)
13 Aug 12 UTC
Starting a new game gameID=97320
Looking for a few more for a game. gameID=97320 the password is canonlybebeone
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obiwanobiwan (248 D)
12 Aug 12 UTC
Sci-Fi Sunday: Your Top 10 Favorite Sci-Fi Films/TV Episodes
The Title...

Shall I be brief? ...Well, here at least. :)
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2ndWhiteLine (2601 D(B))
13 Aug 12 UTC
Getting Exposed to Diplomacy
The only thing that we all have in common on this site is a love of Diplomacy. When did you first start playing? What's your first Diplomacy memory?
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redhouse1938 (429 D)
13 Aug 12 UTC
Getting exposed to "Diplomacy" - by H. Kissinger
Absolutely brilliant. Written by a true genius (not passing moral, only intellectual judgment). It teaches everything one needs to know about the mechanics of RL diplomacy.
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Crazy Anglican (1067 D)
06 Aug 12 UTC
The English Language
A thread for observations on our messed up language.
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Mujus (1495 D(B))
10 Aug 12 UTC
And please note, again, that I hedged and said "if" when I mentioned that you might be stubborn. :-)
LegatusMentiri (100 D)
10 Aug 12 UTC
Perhaps we could fix this whole problem if we just create the transgender/co-ed scouts. That way EVERYONE can be included.
LegatusMentiri (100 D)
10 Aug 12 UTC
They could even go on camping trips so they could bake cookies over an open fire. Sounds like fun to me!
dubmdell (556 D)
10 Aug 12 UTC
I got to here: "To boldly go, I just split tht infinitive! Those last two rules are carry overs from latin. People just want to make English more like Latin. "

and stopped reading. Let's cover three things.

1) English is beautiful. If you know the history concerning why aspects of the language are so "screwed up," then you can appreciate every "flaw" that seems to exist. It is absolutely marvelous, but to go over every detail would take a semester (or two). Although I do own a good PDF textbook that covers the history of English, if anyone is actually interested in learning...

2) Gender is an artificial label applied by Jacob Grimm when he was characterizing language. Grimm liked to anthropomorphize everything, so we have strong and weak verbs and nouns and adjectives. What makes them "strong" and "weak?" Nothing in particular, really, although a distinct difference does exist, no one would claim the difference was in strength! Rather, his terminology, while imprecise, has become the standard means of discussing language.

In regards to gender being wrong in regards to genitalia, let's look at the Latin nauta. This is a sailor, so masculine by who fills the role, but the noun is feminine. This "error" is rooted in Indo-European history. The -a ending was originally a marker of collectives. Scholars have inferred that female animals were preferred in an agrarian society (which the IE people were), and so the -a ending came to be associated, more or less, with females as the vocabulary expanded. However, the words that were already marked as collectives (nauta, agricola - farmer, poeta - artificer) did not change gender just because the understanding of the -a ending changed. So while gender may be a screwy construct to you, it is 1) artificially assigned by Grimm, and 2) a rich linguistic feature that tells a great deal about how humans developed!

3) The rule to not split infinitives goes back forever and a day. Adam probably said it to Eve in the garden. Old English, in case you were unaware, used to have infinitives that were written as one complete word, like "sweltan," instead of two words, like "to die." This continues into part of Middle English (there are numerous iterations of ME because the language was in such flux), where "sweltan" becomes "swelten." Eventually, this word will come down to us as "to swelter," but hopefully you can see that the infinitive used to be formed more like what you are accustomed to seeing in Latin.

As for when the rule was written down? That may have been an influence of Latin, but as you can hopefully see, it isn't a foreign concept to English. The reason an infinitive shouldn't be split, is because you cannot split an infinitive! But we English-speakers are mighty clever, and so we figured out how to fit the square peg in the round hole and we split that infinitive! We surely did.

Although, it should be mentioned, there are some scholars pushing for allowing the split of the infinitive because it expresses thought better. I disagree that it conveys thought better, but I do think that it allows a wider expression of thought. While "to go boldly" and "to boldly go" seem to have the same meaning, there's a semantic and psychological freight that each carries with it and will be understood slightly differently. (Offhand, "to go boldly" emphasizes the boldly by position, so it's not just boldly, it's really boldly. "To boldly go" emphasizes go by position, so the sentence will probably be understood as going with a boldness that is moderate, but of course larger contexts can provide examples that turn these interpretations on their head.)

I will probably come back later and read beyond the split infinitive remark and offer some more feedback. I hope something of this is helpful and meaningful to each of you that cares about why your first (or second, or third, or fourth) language is seemingly, but isn't, screwed up.
Timur (673 D(B))
10 Aug 12 UTC
@Mujss (from last page): "Like two sides of the same coin"
FYI Every single Chinese kid has, from rote-learning since an early age, assimilated the phrase 'every coin has two sides' and use it at each and every opportunity, even despite threats of decapitation (by me).
Unfortunately, some of them haven't even really got the meaning, so it comes out as 'every side has two coins' or 'everybody has two coins' or some such crap.
It should be banned! Lazy thinking.
Timur (673 D(B))
10 Aug 12 UTC
Not playing any games like now. Like this discussion. Certainly better than the R-word.
Sorry I spelled/spelt your name wrong, Mujus.
Timur (673 D(B))
10 Aug 12 UTC
The first like = *right*. The second = enjoy. Just to clarify any possible misunderstanding.
semck83 (229 D(B))
10 Aug 12 UTC
I understand how you feel, Timur.
It is like English speakers who say (all the time!) "The proof is in the pudding," which makes no sense, instead of "The proof of the pudding is in the eating" (which makes sense, but is rarely said anymore).
Timur (673 D(B))
10 Aug 12 UTC
ps I know also that 'use', 3 posts above, should be *uses*. Blame it on the tequila.
Timur (673 D(B))
10 Aug 12 UTC
Thanks, Sem! It makes me feel my life is not entirely in vain.
Timur (673 D(B))
10 Aug 12 UTC
"The proof is in the pudding," It could be used in a Lord Peter Wimsey story. "I suspect arsenic . . ."
Timur (673 D(B))
10 Aug 12 UTC
Beware of puddings and coins!
Timur (673 D(B))
10 Aug 12 UTC
. . . and any other tired cliches. It's quite simple to rework them, with a twist. Then their yours and interesting.
Timur (673 D(B))
10 Aug 12 UTC
*their* = 'they're. Tequila, stand down!
Timur (673 D(B))
11 Aug 12 UTC
As I know, an old cliche myself, it's sometimes necessary to go and lie down for a spell.
However, there's always some b*gger who comes along and says, "Go out there and do it again, big man." I try to resist, but it's always tempting.
The point is that it's ok if it can be reworked. Think David Bowie.
jwalters93 (288 D)
11 Aug 12 UTC
Most languages have a technical vocabulary of about 6000 words. English? 30,000.
ghug (5068 D(B))
12 Aug 12 UTC
@Dubm, the nouns "nauta," "agricola," "poeta," and a few similar others are actually first declension masculine. Other than that, I agree with your post and would like a copy of that textbook you mentioned.
dubmdell (556 D)
12 Aug 12 UTC
Sorry for my imprecision of discussion. I never know how accurate to be in these types of discussions. Yes, those words are masculine. They decline in the first declension, a primarily feminine declension if you'll allow the characterization, because of the older understanding of "collective." If Grimm's labels were not so well established in academia, a better label for feminine would be "collective." (I'm basing this off Lehmann, "Theoretical Bases of Indo-European Linguistics, pp.74-75, especially p.75).

PM your email and I'll send the PDF of the history of English textbook.
dubmdell (556 D)
12 Aug 12 UTC
*a better label for first declension
Mujus (1495 D(B))
13 Aug 12 UTC
Poetry, song lyrics, and dramatic language such as "to boldly go" is not bound as tightly by the conventional grammar rules, since the object is to communicate on the emotional level as much as on the mental level.
Mujus (1495 D(B))
13 Aug 12 UTC
Oh, and "Boldly to go" is another option, but one that would sound hopelessly archaic and clumsy to the intended audience in this context.


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orathaic (1009 D(B))
13 Aug 12 UTC
Syria, a kurdish state, and the Turkish-US-Iraqi involvement...
www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-19197169

Any thoughts?
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dubmdell (556 D)
12 Aug 12 UTC
Bobby Fischer on chess
"[Capablanca] wanted to change the rules already, back in the twenties, because he said chess was getting played out. He was right. Now chess is completely dead. It is all just memorization and prearrangement. It’s a terrible game now. Very uncreative." from a radio interview, 2006

Thoughts?
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SantaClausowitz (360 D)
11 Aug 12 UTC
Mitt Romney Loses Election
In an election that will be decided by moderates, in a time where congress is less popular than communism Romney picks a staunchly right wing congressman
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NigeeBaby (100 D(G))
27 Jul 12 UTC
****London Olympics 2012****
Brilliant ...... 30 minutes to go before the opening ceremony and the heavens have opened. It wouldn't be England without rain :-)
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SantaClausowitz (360 D)
12 Aug 12 UTC
Black Knight Rises
*There will be Spoilers* I remember there was a thread a few weeks ago but I hadn't seen the movie yet so apologies if this has been done but I want to talk about the political vision in the movie.
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Invictus (240 D)
12 Aug 12 UTC
This is kind of neat
With Ryan on the Republican ticket, Barack Obama is the only Protestant in the 2012 election.
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Invictus (240 D)
10 Aug 12 UTC
Maybe we worry about the wrong things when it comes to China
http://thediplomat.com/2012/08/09/superpower-denied-why-chinas-rise-may-have-already-peaked/2/?all=true
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Svidrigailov (100 D)
12 Aug 12 UTC
Would anyone like to play a live one on one game on vDiplomacy?
post below if interested tonight.
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bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
12 Aug 12 UTC
International Power
It's no secret that Mitt Romney and the Republican party (for ages) has tried to establish its international power through hardnosed delegation, but is that even necessary?

http://globalpublicsquare.blogs.cnn.com/2012/08/09/world-to-america-we-want-soft-not-hard-power/?hpt=wo_r1
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Alderian (2425 D(S))
11 Aug 12 UTC
Updated Ghost Ratings
http://tournaments.webdiplomacy.net/theghost-ratingslist
http://tournaments.webdiplomacy.net/theghost-ratingslist/ghost-ratings-by-category
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orathaic (1009 D(B))
11 Aug 12 UTC
the what? Culture jamming
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culture_jamming
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Svidrigailov (100 D)
11 Aug 12 UTC
One on One Game on Vdiplomacy
http://www.vdiplomacy.com/board.php?gameID=9374
Germany vs. Italy
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Arcangel.7 (0 DX)
10 Aug 12 UTC
Live world game
Would anyone on the site be interested in playing a live game of world diplomacy? Ive never been in a live version of the variant but I think it would be very exciting and much better than an average live game, I understand it could probably take a lot longer to play than usual live games to but just want to see if members of the site are up for playing one?
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