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KingJohnII (1575 D(B))
24 Jul 12 UTC
Top 300 GR Game starting soon
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=95556

If you've ever been in the top 300 ghost rankings you are welcome
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Celticfox (100 D(B))
25 Jul 12 UTC
Dark Knight Rises (Warning Spoilers may be contained inside)
Anyone else seen it yet? I saw it this weekend and thought it was good, not as good as The Dark Knight. Still good and a nice ending for the trilogy
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dubmdell (556 D)
26 Jul 12 UTC
How does one provide PERFECT sea coverage in the north in 1901??
How does England KNOW to go Edi-NWG and Lon-NTH in 1901, providing perfect naval coverage so quickly?? Is he just a keen and whaskelly rabbit of a player? Seems suspicious to me.
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Tyran (914 D)
26 Jul 12 UTC
World diplomacy gunboat needs another player soon
gameID=95515 gunboat world diplomacy 1 spot remaining join now before it starts.
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Sargmacher (0 DX)
26 Jul 12 UTC
EOG live gunboat, wta
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orathaic (1009 D(B))
26 Jul 12 UTC
Jullian Assange...
talks to some academics...

http://assange.rt.com/chomsky-ali-episode-ten/
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heroesandcons09 (100 D)
25 Jul 12 UTC
Dreams
As tacky as this may sound I love dreaming. But my favorite thing is when I have a lucid dream and start flying around. I haven't gotten far with my dreams other than just flying around I always wake up if I trying to mess to much with my dreams. But I was wondering if anyone here would have similiar if not better stories about their dreams.
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Draugnar (0 DX)
05 Jul 12 UTC
MinorAnnoyance (aka Major Mitchell) - I challenge YOU!
Hey dude!

50 point, PPSC classic full press non-anon 24 hour or more. You say "yea" and we'll start accepting applications form others who want to get in. Chronic CDs not allowed and you must be an experienced player.
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zultar (4180 DMod(P))
25 Jul 12 UTC
Online Personality vs Real Life Personality vs True Personality
Details to follow.
zultar (4180 DMod(P))
25 Jul 12 UTC
Is one’s online personality different than one’s real life personality and which one is the true personality?

This question has come up from time to time here on WebDip, and last night, I had an experience that made me think about this again. So, I couldn’t sleep last night since I have insomnia once in a while, and I decided to play some Diablo 3. I had recently bought a pretty darn good piece of equipment and I was going to try to sell it for a reasonable profit. A player contacted me and asked what I would like for it, and I said 10 millions gold (slightly overpriced because I expected it to be bargained down to 5 to 6 millions). He said no thanks to the initial price, and I said “hey, give me an offer, you never know if it’ll be reasonable and I might take it.” Instead of giving me an offer, he told me that it was worth 200K and that if I can find anything on the Auction House (an in-game place where you can buy/sell to all the players by listing equipments as auctions) for more than a million, then he would pay me the full 10M. The cheapest amulet on the auction house that had three of the four important stats compared to the one I was trying to sell quickly was 3M, and I showed it to him. Then he said people are idiots and idiots would buy anything and that the gear was still worth only 200K because he knows the auction house. I then asked him to buy a comparable piece for that price and I would pay him at least that much. At this point, he started to call me a boy and told me that I was up past my bedtime. I then knew that this was problematic and I should just stop talking to him, but I felt the need to explain what a reasonable discourse was and that he had no reason or evidence to call me any such thing. His retort was that I must be a child because no grown man would take the time to reply to him and what he said. I blocked him and went to sleep.

So this got me to think about one’s online personality and one’s real life personality and which one is perhaps a more accurate reflection of a person’s “true” personality. In particular, I know that some people have said this forum allows them to vent, to say things that they normally wouldn’t say, and to take their ideologies to the extremes partly due to a lack of repercussions. To a certain extent, I do not disagree with this. However, I posit that if social conventions or repercussions are responsible for the differences between personalities, then they are merely curtailing the true personalities that lie beneath. In other words, the online personality is closer to how we actually are since we are allowed to be ourselves without the external constraints of social expectations or without the fear of being punished. Even as I write this, I know that it is not a case of just black and white but shades of gray. If someone is a belligerent know-it-all asshole online, then can he be that way in real life as well? Well, sure; no reason why not. Is it likely that someone who is considerate and thoughtful in real life would be a complete and utter horror display of a human being behind a screen and keyboard? In my opinion, not very likely but it is ambiguous. So, what psychological and/or social factors could induce such a shift in one’s personality from a commendable flesh and blood to a less than reputable digital?
Personality doesn't change, different variables are affecting how people present themselves online. The personality is at the core, but things like social expectations are different meaning that the person can operate a seemingly different personality when it is simply a different representation of their true personality.
2ndWhiteLine (2601 D(B))
25 Jul 12 UTC
Ordinarily, I'd say that anonymity plays a large role in an online personality, but based on the switch from usernames to real names on Youtube, it doesn't really make a difference.

http://gizmodo.com/5928558/lets-see-how-well-youtubes-real+name-comment-policy-is-working
achillies27 (100 D)
25 Jul 12 UTC
I have an amazing personality in person or online :)
But seriously, I think it would probably be the anonymity that changes how most people act, and I agree with Lando as well.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Online_disinhibition_effect

And yes... I am also this awkward IRL.
Partysane (10754 D(B))
25 Jul 12 UTC
Developing ones personality is a ongoing process that lasts all your life. For examples see sociology studies and works for example by Daniela Hurrelmann. Mass Media such as the internet play an important rule in that process by either supplying us with role models (TV, Books ect.) or as a testing ground where we can try new behaviour routines (internet). The internet is especially suited to that because if such a test is rebuked by our communication partner there are usually no real life repercussions as said above.
What follows is that most people behave different in different sets of social enviroment, always adjusting to the demands by others and their own expectations. This kind of behaviour is typical for the average users actions in and with media. See Uses and Gratification approach, one of the more influential concepts in media sociology.

So i guess you can expect someone you meet online to be very different if met offline in his usual peer group. But as you said yourself, there is no black and white.

I hope i got my point across the language barrier. :D
I smoke weed before I post so that might affect things
I only smoke weed before my evening posts.
Partysane (10754 D(B))
25 Jul 12 UTC
I stopped smoking weed after 17 years continual use and i am not sure if it was a good idea.
I feel a lot less awkward on the internet because I feel a lot more annoymous. Aside from google probably tracking me I don't know your guys names I more than likely don't go to the same school you guys go to I more than likely won't be in the same work sphere as you guys. In real life I feel really awkward and have the feeling of always being judged or maybe its just high school. But at the same time being unkown does have negative implications such as being annoying as hell and I'm not trying to preach about it because I have been annoying online from time to time even though I like to think I do my best to surpress it.
@party - why did you stop/why do you regret it?
Partysane (10754 D(B))
25 Jul 12 UTC
Well weed enhances the current mood i am in. That was never a problem since i am usually a pretty balanced / optimistic person. During the last year i had to deal with pretty much shit like my father dying of cancer. The weed enhanced my bad mood and i noticed myself getting slightly depressive and seclusiv. So i quit.
But man... after 17 years smoking very regularly it gets a habit and it is hard to keep the hands off it. Especially if you are used to it making you feel better. Even knowing it wont in my situation it doesn't change the felt need for it.
achillies27 (100 D)
25 Jul 12 UTC
@Heroes, Sometimes I feel Judged as well, but meh.
That sucks that shitty things have happened to you. But you're right - the effects of weed use are very situation dependant, and rely on your udnerlying mood. if you are hung up on bad thoughts it will make them worse, force you to dwell longer. However, even at this stage in your lie there must be some things you can do to "take your mind off things." Smoke weed during these moments and I imagine you will get what you were used to getting out of it.
krellin (80 DX)
25 Jul 12 UTC
Here - anonymous(ish) raging asshole who likes to take extreme positions and be beliggerent.

RL - Quite professional; well respected by my peers; polite, kind and generous; adoring father...pretty much the exact opposite of who I am here. Yes, as many know I have had alcohol problems in the past - worked through them (still and always will) with my family's support -- have a great, strong marriage. But, yes, I have pent up agggression, probably because I *am* so polite and mild in real life, and being able to call and asshole and asshole on here is....relieving...
dipplayer2004 (1110 D)
25 Jul 12 UTC
My online persona is just like me, only more so.
djakarta97 (358 D)
25 Jul 12 UTC
Our online persona is what we want it to be. For instance, one may be proper, clever and impeccable in every way in person. However, are they naturally so? If so, they transfer that valuable personality to WebDiplomacy and influence others to be like them (responsible, studious, trying to achieve perfection). But what if that is not so? If they have been forced to be like this and they don't want to be like it (they were forced to be proper and their cleverness is used sparingly), they may be different online. They may pursue their "true" personality and be crude, deceitful and a host of bad qualities online. This gives them a completely different appearance. Also affecting how they act is who they want to be. Suppose someone named ToughGuy joins WebDip one day. He may pursue what his username suggests and be very Machiavellian, backstabbing people in 1901. He may also coerce people to ally with him in full press games with harsh language. And, on the forum, he may act very demanding. However, this doesn't mean that he really is that. What if he was that kid who got bullied at school every day? He may take out his anger and hate of the bullies on WebDip by acting like them towards other people, imitating their techniques. He may have a completely different persona on WebDip than he has in real life. He may simply pursue this so that he can vent his anger at the bullies, something he would never do in real life in fear of retaliation by the bullies.
So, the answer to zultar's question is maybe. Who you see on this website may be who they really are, or they may not be so.

When you affect a false personality, it still is an aspect of your true personality. You can role play a particular online persona. It may not be your dominant everyday real life persona, but it's still you. If you play it long and deep enough, it may even become your dominant persona.

"He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you." -- Friedrich Nietzsche

See, in real life, I only quote Kierkegaard. Or was that KimKierkegaardashian? http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/culture/2012/07/kimkierkegaardashian-twitter-feed.html?mobify=0
abgemacht (1076 D(G))
25 Jul 12 UTC
I act exactly the same on this site and in real life.
seth24c (5659 D)
25 Jul 12 UTC
the same with me as abgemacht
You act like abgemacht in real life?
@achillies agreed but it does effect how I act. Its just I don't know a bit annoying sometimes but again meh.
seth24c (5659 D)
25 Jul 12 UTC
@The Hanged Man of course we are identical twins :p
Cool. The porn industry beckons.

That's not me. The real me doesn't joke about porn. The real me likes sad songs, rainy days, and long walks along the beach. I only post like this because zultar is blackmailing me.
Sandgoose (0 DX)
25 Jul 12 UTC
I find I am pretty transparent eh...
djakarta97 (358 D)
25 Jul 12 UTC
Wow...don't hear of mod blackmail everyday.
Al Swearengen (0 DX)
25 Jul 12 UTC
And as a piece of personal advice, I usually choose not to get into it with people. Certainly you are very patient in order to explain to this Cretin your reasoning, but you should not feel compelled to do so. He represents the lowest common denominator and are better than him.
NigeeBaby (100 D(G))
25 Jul 12 UTC
I think the people who try to be something else on line are unhappy with who they are in the real world, I don't think that is such a bad thing if by doing so it helps them survive and stops them going out and committing anti-social or criminal activities. My real name is not NigeeBaby but I don't use a nickname to hide my real persona, I just think it's more fun if you have a fun/friendly nickname.
I can understand why people like a cloak of anonymity though but you're not really fooling anybody by pretending to be someone else, you're just lying to yourself.
semck83 (229 D(B))
25 Jul 12 UTC
I don't really know much about Diablo or whether this would be possible, but obviously the optimal thing to do would have been to use your fancy equipment to blow him away.

Only online though. One should not blow away people who won't negotiate reasonably in real life.

So that's one difference.

I think I'm somewaht similar. But I'm definitely more sarcastic online. This may be partly a personality difference, and also partly the fact that I spend a much higher percentage of time online discussing things with people who disagree with me. But I think even controlling for that, I'm somewhat more sarcastic.

I'm also more careful / thoughtful, but I think that's a writing versus speaking thing.
abgemacht (1076 D(G))
25 Jul 12 UTC
Nigee + 1
zultar (4180 DMod(P))
25 Jul 12 UTC
Thank you all for the feedback/discussion thus far. Let me start from the end.

I wouldn't need fancy equipment to blow him, and I can do that whether or not he's reasonable. Errrrr, that's just not appropriate. I'm suck a dick. :)

And mods blackmail all the time. That's how we get people to do what we want. I threaten THM to have him hung and quartered if he didn't post according to what I wanted.

It's easy enough to understand how anonymity enables one to act belligerently in certain cases, and I suppose it also allows one to cultivate an image of being a nice and/or respectful person to build up some self-esteem. Of all the combinations of how one acts or how one's personality is affected by the internet relative to one's core personality, I just have a hard time with one particular case.

A person who is respectful in RL and is also respectful online. That's easy enough. That's how they are, and they don't try to come off differently.
A person who is not respectful in RL but is respectful online (especially on WebDip where appearances do affect the outcomes of games, particularly for non-anon games). So this kind of person is looking for a positive outcome or to gain some sort of positive image about him/herself.
A person who is not respectful in RL and is not respectful online. I think the anonymity gives support to this category the most. Whether or not this person is outwardly or inwardly disrespectful in real life, he would not shy away from being disrespectful online as he does not have much to lose.
A person who is respectful in RL but not respectful online. This category befuddles me a bit. How does one reconcile the dissonance and how believable is the claim? No offense to Krellin, but I personally have a hard time believing him (not that it matters whether or not I believe him and I am trying to be as respectful as I can so don't take it personally). In the second case, I can see why one would affect a different image as one has something, tangible or not, to gain; this does not create a dissonance of one's self-image as one is trying to cultivate an improved image of one's self and it might even be commendable if it does positively affect one's real life personality as well. On the other hand, it appears to me to be irreconcilable to be respectful in RL but not online unless the person is only respectful to keep up appearances or society's expectation. In other words, at the core, the person isn't a very respectful or considerate or caring individual, but he has affected a persona in order to fit in (and he could do this even to his family and to everyone around him). This, I think, is rather unhealthy and would fracture one's self-image or inner psyche sooner or later as he/she is constantly living as someone other than himself. *As a side note, this is what Bertrand charged Christians with but that's a whole another issue.*
So, this brings us to the case of a person who isn't affecting a nice/respectful persona in real life. His self-image would be that of a person who cares for his fellow men or the universe at large. How does he then act belligerently online?
People who are respectful in real life, who aim to please those around them likely do it for one of two reasons: 1) it gives them pleasure to see others succeed. They gain pleasure from helping others, receiving thank yous, etc. 2) They feel compelled to for fear of response in kind - they worry that others will perceive the negatively, that they will face retaliation or that they will just be treated generally more poorly.

Now, move these people online. The reactions, both good and bad, are extremely lessened on the internet. You may be GREAT to someone and have that person ignore you. You can be a good guy but people may not notice or go out of their way to thank you. Likewise, you can be a dick without suffering the repercussions present in real life.

In the first case, there are fewer extrinsic motivators online and unless you are strongly intrinsically motivated your behaviour will change from RL to OL. In the second case, there are far more extrinsic deterrants in RL and far fewer online. Again, unless it is your intrinsic deterrants that are guiding you, you will be a dick online.

Does this make sense? I still believe it all relates to these variables. Lots of things are different online and therefore your personality is operating in a different space and will be perceived as different online vs. real life.

In the instance of those who are the same, it would appear that the variables introduced online are not those that affect you much. You are likely very intrinsically motivated people.


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vexlord (231 D)
25 Jul 12 UTC
sitter needed
anyone up for it? 2 games, one is gunboat
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NigeeBaby (100 D(G))
19 Jul 12 UTC
Please don't go on about it......
........ I don't want to make a fuss.
Keep it hush hush that's my motto.
Let's say no more about it......
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Yonni (136 D(S))
17 Jul 12 UTC
One spot left in a full press, WTA, 36hr phase, 5D game.
See inside.
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obiwanobiwan (248 D)
23 Jul 12 UTC
Ichiro Goes to the Yankees...NOOOOOO! :O
http://tracking.si.com/2012/07/23/ichiro-trade-yankees/
He was the Japanese-American Jackie Robinson for Asian position players in baseball...he was a rare star who WASN'T gobbled up by a big-market team...he was unique--and now...*sniff*...now he's..he's just another cog in that Cold Evil Yankee Empire...not even my team, I'm a sorry Mets fan, but I always liked the Mariners, and first Seattle loses the Sonics, now Icihiro... :O
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Bob Genghiskhan (1233 D)
25 Jul 12 UTC
Seven Dwarves EOGs
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Lando Calrissian (100 D(S))
24 Jul 12 UTC
High Quality Live Gunboat Tonight
Tired of CDs, dropouts, and poor play?
Then join...Lando's 84 Point Gunboat!
@17.50 EDT ----- 00.50 GMT
84 point live gunboat. Let's play! gameID=95636
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podium (498 D)
25 Jul 12 UTC
Join me
Started this game.PM me or state your intrest here and I will pass on PW.
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=95675
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Sargmacher (0 DX)
24 Jul 12 UTC
High Pot Live Gunboat Tonight
Tired of CDs, dropouts, and poor play?
Then join...Sargmacher's 250 Point Gunboat!
@17.35 EDT ----- 00.35 GMT
250 point live gunboat. Let's play! gameID=95634
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MichiganMan (5121 D)
24 Jul 12 UTC
EoG: achilles27 wants a gunboat please
Not much to say here, except for the fact that once again, Mr. T (Russia) CD'ed early.
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rokakoma (19138 D)
16 Jul 12 UTC
press Rady for fuck's sake
why on Earth can people press ready in a live game, especially when you MUST disband your unit, because there's nowhere to retreat.

I DEMAND READY!
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cteno4 (100 D)
24 Jul 12 UTC
Diplomacy drinking game
Take a shot for every unit you build. No? Bad idea? Fucker.
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emfries (0 DX)
23 Jul 12 UTC
New Game
Anyone interested in starting up a new game? I was thinking WTA, anon, 150 D, 24-48 hour phases. Reply if you are interested, or if you want to change the rules a little.
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orathaic (1009 D(B))
24 Jul 12 UTC
Ah, the internet, bringing us jokes since 1852...
Q: Is a girl who's slept with 100 guys a bad person?
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Zachattack413 (1231 D)
23 Jul 12 UTC
triathlon H3G3
Can I request a pause until thus Saturday? I will be out of the country, and I will not have internet access. Thank you for your consideration!
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Gumers (607 D)
23 Jul 12 UTC
MODS attention, please
Please cheack the game http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=95545&msgCountryID=0. Probably multis...
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podium (498 D)
23 Jul 12 UTC
Weird-Thanks to who ever tipped of mods or dilegent mods.
Was playing this game when we received notice that 2 players had been kicked out for metagaming we just drew.But how can this be discovered while in game noone knew or suspected that was playing.Had to be someone who ran across them before or mods have super ESP powers.The game link is below for all to see who the offending players where.
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=94380
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ChrisVis (1167 D)
24 Jul 12 UTC
Problem with entering orders - a possible bug or interface problem
For the second time now, (last time was several weeks ago) I have not been able to enter certain orders. I get a message

Parameter "toTerrID" set to invalid value nn
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Levelhead (1419 D(G))
24 Jul 12 UTC
Linksruck
Ah, the sign of the times.
The World Dip game "Rechtsruck" (shift to the right, as in political) took only a day or so to fill and start. Everyone, it seemed, wanted a piece of that action.
"Linksruck", on the other hand (guess what 'links' means) failed to get 17 players so I re-, ah, christened it and it looks like we'll be short again! What a difference a generation makes.
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Philalethes (100 D(B))
23 Jul 12 UTC
He's Dead, Jim!
Still looking for a player? PM the password. :)
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Tru Ninja (1016 D(S))
22 Jul 12 UTC
Full Disclosure IV - The Restart
Everyone involved, please send your press to [email protected]. I will try to have everything done within one week of receiving everyone's press. I have France and Russia in my inbox right now, I'm looking for England, Austria, Italy and Germany. I know Turkey went CD, but I can piece it together from everyone else's press if I have to.

Thanks
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GeneralLegion (102 D)
24 Jul 12 UTC
Join Stab-2 to have 7 players
Join dangit
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