06:59 PM I am going to overthrow your centuries of hard work to establish the oppression of capitalism, and I'm going to do it by giving presents!
08:05 PM Gifts actually do fit quite well within the capitalist schema.
08:06 PM Really? Sounds like charity to me, and from what I've heard... Capitalists don't take kindly to the idea of getting things for no effort.
08:09 PM Capitalists avoid bureaucratic gift-giving machines, not acts of free will.
08:34 PM indeed, gifts, as long as they take place outside of the government, are acceptable, unless you are of the Ayn Rand strain.
08:57 PM A friend of mine is reading Atlas Shrugged and says it's amazing. I'll be borrowing it when he finishes (which may be several years from now at the pace he's moving).
09:03 PM I love Rand, but she's a little extreme for my tastes. Don't even bother reading Galt's speech.
09:21 PM I don't intend to indoctrinate myself with her philosophy, but the story just sounds awesome.
09:22 PM I take it you fellas never heard or the really really free market
09:25 PM ?
09:30 PM Sicarius, I don't understand statements like that. You could try phrasing it politely, such as, "Have you heard of the 'Really Really Free Market'?" We'd reply, "No, I've never read such a book, seen such a film, or heard such a track." You'd politely refer us to your source.
If "really really free market" is just another term you use to describe anarchism, I'm not interested.
09:36 PM I'm referring to the gift economy
09:38 PM You are making a common mistake people make when they're first introduced to Linux. When we say "free market", just like "free software", we mean "free as in freedom", not "free as in free beer".
Capitalism is the closest to a gift economy you'll ever get. It's far more practical and, more or less, embodies the same economic principles. You give people things, they give you things. In capitalism we just have general principles recognizing how people tend to exchange these gifts of labor and assets.
09:45 PM free trade is a contradiction in terms
thats why its called the really really free market
instead of what we have now, the not at all free market
the gift economy is when you give people things and odnt necessarily expect anything back
09:50 PM No, you're still screwing up your definitions. Free means freedom. It doesn't mean without cost. I am free to trade my house for a peanut in a free market.
Gift economies only work if you do receive some things back. Without receipt, you cannot survive.
09:55 PM http://www.infoshop.org/inews/article.php?story=20070723132109840
http://www.crimethinc.com/texts/recentfeatures/reallyreally.php
http://www.reallyreallyfree.org/
http://www.carrboro.com/reallyreallyfreemarket/
http://sbindymedia.org/story/park-ranger-makes-really-really-free-market-pack-because-giving-things-away-not-beautiful
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Really_Really_Free_Market
09:56 PM I think you are just too ingrained with the system we have.
10:20 PM nah, I just like it better. It works. It allows for people who suck at life. You can the US is rich because our poor are fat. In most countries, being overweight is a sign of wealth.
10:22 PM except in this country where its a sign of overindulgence and greed