Give it a rest Draug, Rose is a fuck.

Oh, he is an arrogant prick and shouldn't be allowed to coach but keeping the man with the most career hits in the game out of the HoF is simply petty.

But I didn't bring up Rose. I merely responded to someone else who did.

"The man who investigated him even admitted that. "

Not really.

http://static.espn.go.com/mlb/news/2002/1212/1475769.html

HoF isn't about 'greatest players', it's about who did good for baseball. Rose gives baseball a black eye.

If you want hall of the pretty good, go to Canton, OH & see the football hall of fame. The baseball HoF still has integrity.

"The official Dowd Report says "no evidence was discovered that Rose bet against the Cincinnati Reds.""

Amend my statement to say no evidence was ever presented that Rose bet against his own team.

I believe I read newer report where Dowd stayed he had done further research and still not found amy evidence and no longer believed that statement bit research on a phone is a pain in the ass.

And the HoF is the "Hall of Fame" not the "Hall of Do-gooders".

Even if he didn't bet against Reds, it doesn't matter. On the days he didn't bet in favor of Reds, that was effectively betting against the Reds in the eyes of the gamblers, and there is plenty of evidence that he didn't bet on the Reds every day.

He undermined the integrity of the results of the game and he lied about it for 15 years. He also has neither quit gambling nor shown remorse.

HoF membership is given to broadcasters and others who contributed positively to the sport of baseball, not just athletes who could play well. The key phrase there is 'contributed positively'. Rose's contribution is overwhelmingly negative, regardless of what he did on the field.

What draugnar is too stupid to understand as he posts on the job is that even if Rosé bet on his own team not against it he had a way of altering the outcome that could have easily been against his player's and team's best interest. Arm hurts in the bottom of the ninth leading by 5 relief pitcher? Stay with it pal, the spread is 4.5 and I don't want these other bull pen asses to give away my run. Sorry it may blow out your arm and ruin your career, let alone my teams chances for the rest of the week/season.

Even if he didn't bet on the reds at all he is making himself vulnerable to dangerous people and putting himself in a position where he could alter games in the future to save his ass. He's giving bookies potential influence in the clubhouse which almost destroyed baseball in 1919. There is a reason why betting on baseball is the ultimate sin in the game.

Rosé? Really autocorrect?

"HoF isn't about 'greatest players', it's about who did good for baseball. Rose gives baseball a black eye.

If you want hall of the pretty good, go to Canton, OH & see the football hall of fame. The baseball HoF still has integrity."

Enough moral integrity to keep gamblers like Shoeless Joe and Pete Rose out but let a gambler like Tris Speaker and Ty Cobb who...well, he's Ty Fucking Cobb, you don't GET any more of a nasty racist antisemitic homophobic asshole than that, with on and off-the-field incidents galore?

Really?

So we'll keep Rose out for betting on baseball, but Ty Cobb jumps into the stands and assaults people and that's "good for baseball," is it?

Fess up.

If you can let a guy like Cobb in, you can let a schmuck like Rose in...the ship's sailed on the HOF having moral integrity once arguably the most immoral superstar to ever play the game gets allowed in.

Cobb didnt bet on baseball nuff said.

The reason why rose isnt in is because he is banned for life as a result of betting on baseball, not because he is a "shmuck."

The more apt comparison is Rose with Joe Jackson or Eddie Cicotte..

Well I should say he was never FOUND to have bet on baseball.

I didn't say he bet on baseball...

I said--and I quote--he was a "nasty racist antisemitic homophobic asshole," so if someone's making the argument that the HOF has some kind of moral integrity...

Well, what kind of integrity is that, to let a man who assaulted fans and players alike while essentially being a white supremacist into the Hall but not a guy who bet on baseball?

I think we can all agree that while neither are paragons of virtue, Rose's moral failings aren't as bad as Cobb's? At least Rose isn't a white supremacist who assaults fans and players while being two steps away from being a KKK member?

No one is going to say ty cobb was a good guy. but Cobb wasnt found to have bet on baseball and as a result was not banned from baseball. That's the difference. We can talk around the point and make pointless moral judgements all you want. Cobb played notoriously dirty, he jumped into the stands and best up a cripple, he was a racist and anti Semite, and most likely he DID throw games for money. He was however never found to have done so and never banned from baseball. And as he is a top 5 all time baseball player he is in the hall of game.

No, putin, the key here is "fame". I know of no one in the HoF who wasn't famous for their baseball contribution before going in. Commentators (radio and TV alike) are celebrities, i.e. famous..

Oh and Santa, fuck you. 2:45 AM is not "on the job" and I am headed out the door to go to the hospital and possibly have my leg amputated if they can't stop this infection that has left me a near cripple for six months now (that's what lack of sleep and exercise does to a diabetic) so just simply, fuck you.

"No one is going to say ty cobb was a good guy. but Cobb wasnt found to have bet on baseball and as a result was not banned from baseball. That's the difference."

How so? Putin just said that the Hall "still has integrity."

I think allowing in a racist antisemitic homophobic thug who assaulted others is just as big of a breach of integrity as letting in a gambler...

Or, at the very least, if the two aren't easily comparable, then at the very least we could agree it's a breach of SOME kind of supposed moral integrity?

My point is that "integrity" and "Baseball Hall of Fame" don't belong in the same sentence with characters like Cobb allowed in, one way or another.

Which isn't to say I'd kick Cobb out--he's probably one of if not the worst character in the game's history and almost certainly the worst in the Hall, but he's been there for ages now...it wouldn't do much to throw him out at this point...besides, to some (not necessarily myself included) the Hall is just one for achievement.

His achievements certainly warrant inclusion, so there he is.

Why shouldn't the same be true for Pete Rose?

His achievements warrant inclusion...so if Cobb's off-the-field antics are allowed, why not Rose's? Banning Shoeless Joe I kind of get, throwing a whole World Series DOES impinge upon the game itself...but Rose just bet on baseball was all--

He broke the rules, but unless it can be proven he altered the outcome of any games, I don't think that rule-breaking merits his exclusion, especially if a guy who broke worse (ie, actual legal and moral) rules like Cobb is allowed in.

Pete Rose didn't do anything drastic. Someone in the offices had some beef against him and Bud Fuck-You Selig jumped on board. Once he's gone Reds fans and hopefully most baseball fans alike will push for his inclusion.

In not Putin, you also neglect that when Cobb was inducted that stuff wasn't necessarily seen as that bad. Then again you were never fond of, or understood the concept of context.

And to answer your question AGAIN, rose bet on baseball. That is a crime that due to historical circumstances is beyond the pale.

It isn't "just" bet on baseball, its "he fucking bet on baseball" he knew what he was risking and he did it anyway. Betting on baseball is a lifetime ban. He did it. He is paying the consequences.

He bet on baseball obi

He bet on baseball

The penalty is a lifetime ban.

Do you understand?

And shoeless joe didn't throw anything, he was banned because his teammates three it and he might have known about it. Shoeless joe tore up that series

@Draug

What does it say to a bookie if Rose doesn't bet on the Red some days and bets on them on others? Or if he changes the value of the bets?

Most of what has been said about Cobb has long been exposed as bs. But Obi has no critical thinking skills and believes everything he sees in a movie so naturally Cobb is the anti-christ.

@Draug
I'm sorry to hear about your leg :( I hope everything goes okay man. That really, really sucks.

Also, back to the current day playoffs that are happening right now and not all of this other stuff:
I feel the Red Sox with beat the Rays if it is less than 5 games, but if it goes to 5 games then Price will get a second start in Fenway and the Rays will win.
I like the Tigers of the Athletics, despite them being rivals of my beloved Twins. I've seen a lot more of the Tigers, and the fact they were no-hit by some no name pitcher on the Marlins is disturbing, but they will fix the problems and come out on top.
I dont know the match ups in the NL as well, but I think the Dodgers will win their matchup against the Braves given their great starting pitching (although a bullpen game is better for the Braves so if it comes to that Braves win)
And I will root for Pittsburgh over the Cardinals and see where that takes me. I've always liked Pittsburgh teams (more the penguins than anybody else because I fucking love penguins but eh, we'll see).