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Yellowjacket (835 D(B))
07 Aug 13 UTC
Awesome daily show clip
http://www.thedailyshow.com/full-episodes/tue-august-6-2013-liam-hemsworth


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krellin (80 DX)
07 Aug 13 UTC
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Thucy Depends Fund
In a recent pot, Thucy made a brave admission: he said he doesn,t know what it means to be respnsible for his own bowel movements...yes, he doesn't understand he has responsibilty to not shit hus pants. It's true...he said this.
Therefore, as a caring community, we will start a fund to purchase and send Thucy a supply of Depends. Would anyone care to start a PayPal account for this. We're just waiting on his size preference before we begin collections.
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Jack_Klein (897 D)
06 Aug 13 UTC
The definitions of liberal and conservative (and reactionary, and radical)
See below, long bit.
Jack_Klein (897 D)
06 Aug 13 UTC
The spectrum goes like this:(From the extreme political right to the extreme political left)
Reactionary: Wants to turn the clock back, and return to some previous ideal, potentially in a 'revolutionary' way.
Conservative: Wants the least amount of change possible, maintain what is currently happening
Liberal: Wants to enact change, but gradual in nature (a reformer)
Radical: Wants to enact fundamental change, would be willing (or see it as a requirement) to spark a revolution to enact it.

So yeah. Taking these definitions, I'd classify the current Republican party (conservatives in the US parlance), as effectively reactionary at this point (particularly the Tea Party and religious right). There are some Republicans who are conservative as defined above, but its quite the minority at this point.

The Democratic Party is effectively conservative by this definition. (much of the political effort is spent maintaining what was accomplished in the past, and little actual effort is expended in enacting real progress and change). There are liberals (as defined above), but they're also the minority at this point.

There are little to no actual radicals active in politics at this point. There are a few people that flirt with radicalism, but even the most left-leaning individual active in politics cannot in any meaningful sense be called a radical.

Food for thought. I'd like to classify myself as a liberal, but the best I can do is the 'popular front' with the status quo Democrats... at least we're not turning the clock back with them.
Jack_Klein (897 D)
06 Aug 13 UTC
To have an overly simple example: A train station that slightly run down.

Reactionary: Not really into the whole train thing, thinks things would be better off if we didn't have them, and we just walked around more

Conservative: The train station is fine, maybe it needs a paint job or something.

Liberal: We should do a major renovation of the train station to bring it up to current needs, or maybe even to anticipate future needs.

Radical: We absolutely need a new train station, and if we don't get one, I'll burn it down so we HAVE to get a new one.
Jack_Klein (897 D)
07 Aug 13 UTC
Man, and here I was figuring this would actually prompt a real discussion.

I am trying to add real content here, folks. :P
rs2excelsior (600 D)
07 Aug 13 UTC
I'm a self-identified Conservative and Republican, and I'm fully in the "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" camp. Of course, some things are (in my opinion) broke, and do need fixing, and in some cases those are things the left have "fixed" and they do need to be brought back to what they were. So kind of a middle ground between these definitions of "reactionary" and "liberal," but not quite "conservative." Of course, I do see quite a few that seek to enact "fundamental" change, though perhaps not through "revolution" as this definition for "radical" requires.

Is this what you're looking for?
rs2excelsior (600 D)
07 Aug 13 UTC
And following your train station analogy, I see it more this way:

Reactionary: "You know, the way they used to run the trains was a whole lot better. They don't do anything right anymore. And I don't trust these newfangled trains... I wish they'd use those steam-powered ones."
Conservative: "That track over there needs some repair, but overall it still works. Tear up those tracks, replace them, maybe touch up the place a bit, and it'll be fine.
Liberal: "There are problems here. Major problems. We need to redo whole track layout. Tear up all the tracks and re-lay every bit of it. And remodel the interior to redefine pedestrian traffic as well. Because none of it works."
Radical: About what you said. "BURN! BURN IT DOWN AND START OVER!"
orathaic (1009 D(B))
07 Aug 13 UTC
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@JK, yeah, that's a nice simplification.

There are major issues, in two areas, social and economic. Basically government control over people (social) and government control over companies (economic).

liberal (small l) literally means freedom, so seen in the context of government control, it can mean no control over people, and no control over companies -

Libertarian / Neo-Liberal is about freedom for companies to do whatever they please: reduce safety regulations and let the market manage these things, make it as easy as possible for a business to turn a profit.

Liberal is about personal freedom: Abortions for your own body, freedom from social profiling, freedom from exploitation by companies.

conservative (small c) means to keep what you have, that could be applied to the environmental movement (who may want to go back and undo the damage of industrialisation, like your Reactionary)

On the economic scale, you've got Neo-liberals / Free marketeers on the right (who think that a market free from any regulation and taxation can prosper and give people the most choice) and Socialists on the left (who think that the market should serve the public good directly, and redistribution of wealth is the best way to achieve social justice)

On a personal scale, you've got Anarchists on the anti-state side, who believe that any state action limits personal freedom, and Fascists on the state-ist side, who believe that state control is best for all.

(with Communism being a mix of heavily Authoritarian Fascist thought, and heavily Socialist economic controls)

You can be 'Conservative'* on economic issue, while being 'Radical'* on social issues. (ie keep the economy working as it is, but overturn the social norms that are holding us back from freedom - like gay marriage)

Or any other combination you like to choose...
dipplayer2004 (1110 D)
07 Aug 13 UTC
I think in many ways the Democrats are reactionary. They are the ones constantly defending policies and programs that were designed in the 1930s or 1960s. They are the ones whose answer to every issue is a big centralized bureaucracy, a la the middle of the 20th Century. They are the ones whose most likely candidate for President in 2016 will be nearly 70 years old.
steephie22 (182 D(S))
07 Aug 13 UTC
Who is the most likely candidate for President in 2016 of the Democrats then?
dipplayer2004 (1110 D)
07 Aug 13 UTC
Hillary.
orathaic (1009 D(B))
07 Aug 13 UTC
@dipplayer: Democrats may be Reactionary on economic issues - while being Liberal/Radical on social ones... (i don't know, and it probably depends on the democrat in question - it's not like they are one big homogenous party)

I also suspect that you've got a huge amount of populism (Democrat or Republican) - where the local politicians stand for the things they think will get them elected, rather than any actual position of their own. (you know, based on focus groups, and techniques borrowed from the advertising industry)
dipplayer2004 (1110 D)
07 Aug 13 UTC
Because they are living in the glory days of the past, in this case the 1990s.


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orathaic (1009 D(B))
06 Aug 13 UTC
this remains one of the coolest bits of science news...
Giant ¿Virus? www.nature.com/news/giant-viruses-open-pandora-s-box-1.13410?WT.ec_id=NEWS-20130723
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Yellowjacket (835 D(B))
04 Aug 13 UTC
This country is going to hell.
http://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/the-75-most-unforgettable-moments-from-minnesotas-first-day
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Cachimbo (1181 D)
04 Aug 13 UTC
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Osheaga (Montreal) !!!
Tons of fun. More when I'm done.
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thehamster (3263 D)
07 Aug 13 UTC
Live Game Buyin
Good position (turkey, 6 supply centers) http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=124255
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Maniac (184 D(B))
05 Aug 13 UTC
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Cheap Oil Paintings at www.westealtoorder.com
I've spent some time wondering around some galleries recently and I'm amazed how lax the security is. There are so few people actually looking at the pictures that I doubt anyone would notice if a few went missing. Let me have your requests and proposals for payment.
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krellin (80 DX)
06 Aug 13 UTC
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UN-Equal Reporting - Black on White Crime
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2385447/Theyre-beat-boy-death--Bus-driver-heard-pleading-CCTV-help-13-year-old-brutally-beaten-older-teens-way-school.html

A 13 year old white boy (unreported, but seen in video) is severly beaten by 3 15 year old black youths. No US reporting....No Al Sharpton in the streets. No calls for racial justice. Silence in the USA. Care to explain, anyone? Interested in why people think this is? Had it been REVERSED...imagine the hue and cry...
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SYnapse (0 DX)
26 Jul 13 UTC
Putting something into space
I really want to launch something into space.
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NigeeBaby (100 D(G))
06 Aug 13 UTC
I've found Leonidas.....
http://lifeofastrangerwhostolemyphone.tumblr.com/

He is on the thread at the end of this mail......
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NigeeBaby (100 D(G))
05 Aug 13 UTC
Billy Bragg
Socialist song-writer and singer
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Shirin (0 DX)
05 Aug 13 UTC
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Draugnar (0 DX)
05 Aug 13 UTC
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Please route *all* league replacements through me.
Draugnar ([email protected])

I am the TD and I am trying to free up some time to handle them. We *will* get the B-leagues back ont rack and get the next round of games started.
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Tardigrade (102 D)
05 Aug 13 UTC
Players needed for American game. Third attempt.
There's currently an American game titled "Battle for Texornia" that has six spaces left. The four people currently listed, and one more who will be listed if he decides to join, do know each other. Alliances and enemies however, will be made under circumstance and not pre-game relationships. Please take that into account if you sign up. The toll is 15 D and the password is turner.
gameID=124027
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dirge (768 D(B))
05 Aug 13 UTC
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Proof that 9/11 was an inside job
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dvv-Yib1Xg
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redhouse1938 (429 D)
05 Aug 13 UTC
Dutch beef 2.0
http://www.economist.com/blogs/babbage/2013/08/artificial-meat
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bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
06 Aug 13 UTC
RIP Kramer Williamson
One of the great racers I've ever had the pleasure to know. Built on character and a genuine kindness... most sprint fans probably like me thought he was invincible.

Sad day.
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slyster (3934 D)
02 Aug 13 UTC
Virginia Beach
See inside
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Sbyvl36 (439 D)
05 Aug 13 UTC
The Enemies of Sbyvl
I am starting a game in which I will play the people I disagree with on the forum. If you want to be in the game, PM me, and I'll give you the password.
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2ndWhiteLine (2601 D(B))
05 Aug 13 UTC
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Looking for paintings
Hey guys anyone know a good site where I can get some cheap oil paintings?
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bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
05 Aug 13 UTC
Need Sitter
Since four people so graciously refused, I need a sitter for one gunboat game through Monday. Shouldn't be a hard position to play, but could be necessary for a stalemate.
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LakersFan (899 D)
04 Aug 13 UTC
America, the Terrified -- and Terrible
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/08/03/1228675/-Unarmed-Couple-Shot-At-137-Times-By-Police
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Xildur (2284 D)
05 Aug 13 UTC
Help from Mod
Greetings. Since today, I need to go until 14th August.
Please pause my games since I'll be unable to connect to internet to play until I return from abroad.
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seth24c (5659 D)
01 Aug 13 UTC
College.
Moving in Monday for my freshman year. Any (hopefully serious, but if not i don't mind) last minute advice?
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05 Aug 13 UTC
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Yellowjacket (835 D(B))
01 Aug 13 UTC
Idiots hate logic?
There are a couple prominent idiots on the forum recently doing foul things towards logic...and have been prominent idiots in the past (4 examples to follow). The forum response? THEY TAKE THEM SERIOUSLY. Funny, the mods openly speak about all sorts of multiaccounting issues...but on rampant logical fallacy by idiots...silence. Do IDIOTS HATE LOGIC?!?
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Sbyvl36 (439 D)
04 Aug 13 UTC
I challenge you, Bo sox
I challenge you to debate which economic system is best: Capitalism or Communism. Do you accept?
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NigeeBaby (100 D(G))
04 Aug 13 UTC
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Peter Capaldi is Who?
...... Who is he
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Mintyboy4 (100 D)
04 Aug 13 UTC
Can anyone account sit me quick? End game position.
Can anybody please sit my account for 1 week. Very short notice I know, but it would be a real shame to screw up a decent long game like this.
Just found out that I have no connection from tomorrow at all. I'm playing 1 full press anon WTA classic game, 48 hour phases. The game is in the end game, Might finish before I get back.
Please message me for details.
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