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Tettleton's Chew (0 DX)
21 Jan 12 UTC
Corruption in American Government
How can a "Federal Prosecutor" invoke the Fifth Amendment in testimony before Congress and not lose their job immediately? I can understand invoking the Fifth, but not keeping your job as a federal prosecutor after doing it.
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NikeFlash (140 D)
20 Jan 12 UTC
Would you rather be represented by trustees or delegates?
Dear political trolls,
Do you believe that we would be better off if we were represented trustees (who act in the best interest of the people they represent regardless of the popular opinion) or delegates (who act the way that the majority of the people that they represent, wether or not they believe it is in the best interest of the people)?
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Thucydides (864 D(B))
23 Jan 12 UTC
americanselect.org
Forget the GOP primary.
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acmac10 (120 D(B))
21 Jan 12 UTC
NFL Pick 'Em: CHAMPIONSHIP WEEK
AFC and the NFC all come down to this! Need to pick one correctly to stay alive. Will it be the Pats and their offense? The Ravens and the joke of their quarterback Flacco? The resurgence of Alex Smith and the 49ers? Or will it be Eli Manning and the Giants? PICK 'EM!
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orathaic (1009 D(B))
23 Jan 12 UTC
For your information.
http://windycityweasels.org/wdc

World DipCon,
Downtown Chicago, IL, USA, August 10-12, 2012
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Partysane (10754 D(B))
23 Jan 12 UTC
5 Minute/Turn Game
So, is anyone up for this?
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abgemacht (1076 D(G))
23 Jan 12 UTC
Hey You! Yes You!
This game needs a replacement for Russia! Help the cause!

http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=74460
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Barn3tt (41969 D)
23 Jan 12 UTC
EOG WTA Quickie
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=78583#gamePanel
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goldfinger0303 (3157 DMod)
23 Jan 12 UTC
Mod team
Please check your email
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Bob Genghiskhan (1233 D)
23 Jan 12 UTC
The ethics of resignation.
I'm in a game with at least one utter moron, and several people who may or may not be. Is it ever OK to just quit a game because the competition is utterly uninteresting?
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Yellowjacket (835 D(B))
22 Jan 12 UTC
A call for EoG's
I'd really like to see more of these. You can learn a lot and get a good deal of perspective by listening to accounts of completed games this way. Post 'em up, people! Share the knowledge!
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Bob Genghiskhan (1233 D)
22 Jan 12 UTC
EOG-Live Gunboat 167
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Invictus (240 D)
22 Jan 12 UTC
Does anyone use PhotoScape?
All I want to do is put sunglasses on someone. Can't figure it out.
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Dejan0707 (1608 D)
22 Jan 12 UTC
Election: number of voters larger than total population?
http://croatiantimes.com/news/General_News/2011-12-01/23557/Croatia_has_too_many_eligible_voters
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krellin (80 DX)
22 Jan 12 UTC
To the Political Fools...
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/abc-projects-newt-gingrich-winner-south-carolina-primary-000512837.html

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Sargmacher (0 DX)
21 Jan 12 UTC
4 Tickets, Olympic Ceremony.
I've just realised that I have 4 tickets for the London 2012 Olympic Ceremony.
Happily surprised and wanted to share it :)
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Gobbledydook (1389 D(B))
22 Jan 12 UTC
Newt Gingrich won South Carolina.
Discuss.
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Diplomat33 (243 D(B))
20 Jan 12 UTC
Midwest USA World Cup Team
Who's in it? I am and I think someone else wanted to join as well. We need 4 people plus a sub if someone CDs.
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GOD (389 D)
22 Jan 12 UTC
one more player!!!!
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=78213
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octopus_seppuku (728 D)
14 Jan 12 UTC
President Romney
So this is the best you can come up with, huh?

Congratulations, America(ns).
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fwancophile (164 D)
21 Jan 12 UTC
Diplomacy Comments
Thoughts on playing the seven powers.
fwancophile (164 D)
21 Jan 12 UTC
Diplomacy Comments

ITALY
Italy is fun to play. Inevitably you must attack Turkey. You could cooperate with Austria
or, with early cooperation from Turkey, or perhaps Russia, and certainly in cooperation with the Germans, take over Austria. Italy must maintain a complete alliance with France: enjoy the benefits of a large undefended mutual border - focus all of your troops elsewhere.

FRANCE
This nation also must maintain complete alliance with Italy and hope that the Turkeys do not suceed in taking control of the Mediterranean and threatening France's south. France can reliably partner with Russia, Austria is little more than a source of information but its existence keeps the other easterners in check.

France's indifference or perhaps even active participation, can encourage or discourage a juggernaut, which is not necessarily bad. It can scare the other players. An unsuccessful juggernaut offers great chances to ravage all of France's neighbors - Germany, Austria, but also Italy and England. France is going to fight either England or Germany of course, and ideally not both.

Likely it is to be conflict with England as feigning alliance with England and then stealing into the Channel sends a signal both to Germany of its willingness to engage England, and also sends a sign to England that their aggressive moves, hopefully against Russia or Germany, could falter by being dragged into conflict with France. Taking the Channel makes England brittle, and even a bounce commits English forces to Channel turn after turn. Germany should be fought after English SCs are taken.

Do be wary of an unreliable Italian player who may think gains should come through France, rather than in the east.

ENGLAND
An alliance with Germany can successfully engage both France and Russia and using North Sea, Channel, Baltic, etc., to repeatedly pound at France and Russia at the same time - at sea and on shore. But, the German-English alliance requires precision in moves and good leveraging of the punch the combined forces can use, on defense and on offense. Getting Belgium is thus key, for its position with both North and Channel.

Germany's France or Russia policies really do not matter to the success of the alliance as long as one of the partners is fighting one, and both allies are aiding neither Russia nor France.

If you can kill your army in northern France, you can have four fleets. With one fleet in Belgium, backed up by two German land forces, France's armies get bottled up. Meanwhile, fleets in Baltic and two northern English fleets can really screw with Russia's Scandinavian posture. Or that second fleet can menace the western French coast. Congratulations, you & Germany are flexing your muscles!

Permanent alliance with Germany disrupts a common game dynamic wherein Germany kind of implodes to the benefit of France, Russia or another power - Germany goes east, and England goes south. It is just as simple as that.

TURKEY
This country should work with Russia, but also hope for Russia's demise. Still, focusing on Austria being carved, and Italy falling next, is the only way for Turkey. Just try to get through it, you could always win.

AUSTRIA
Ahe Anschluss is essential. Alliance with Italy is essential. Keeping Russia away, or even better, at war with England or Turkey, is essential. Turkey should be encouraged to attack Russia or Italy as well. France must provide information and try to counterbalance negative developments in Austria's position. Go for greece right away, again, having secured the essential alliances with Germany and Italy. And good luck with Italy.

RUSSIA
Russia is two little triangles. Go for all of Scandinavia, and Rumania, and then you have two little groups of three forces, and then another unit either around Warsaw, or bumping up one of the little trios to a quartet.

Russia cannot rest for a moment - continual expansion to provide new forces is the only way to avoid being overwhelmed in either the northern or southern trio of forces. Keep peace with Germany, get England to fight with France, coordinate with Italy against either Turkey, Austria or both, but always keep a line open to Austria.

Even and perhaps especially a rump Austria can usefully coordinate with Russian forces. Russia should hope for Germany's demise, but try not to pick a fight with Germany, which exposes the weak Warsaw corridor that leads straight to Moscow. Bully your neighbors into submission and expand as quickly as possible while avoiding conflict with Germany and you can really start to dominate the board.

GERMANY
Certainly the best country to play. Yes, sometimes Germany just falls apart. But Germany can thrive in so many ways.

First and foremost, Anschluss is not a reality, but it is active care and support of Austria's position which is enormously helpful to the both of you. A strong Anschluss alone, say a few turns into the game, where each has 5-7 supply centers, can dominate the board - though of course, be careful to keep each other nation isolated and narrowly focused on its own non-German speaking neighbors.

The powers cannot all unite against Austria & Germany or it's probably lights out! Some useful alliances to encourage are with France and Italy, as this protects Austria, and probably results in Italy working with Austria against Turkey, and allows France to focus on England.

Still, you can fight France, with England, especially if Italy is focused on Turkey. But certainly don't fight France right away. Indeed, offering both England and France your alliance, effective right away, allows France and England to destabilize their own relationships through unexpected expansion opportunities Germany might usually take in the west - in other words, feel free to let France and England fight over Belgium, or even Holland.

Relatively infrequent as it may be, the immediate attack of Germany on Russia is the most sensible use of the German position. Send the hordes east - rush those armies to Warsaw after lying through your teeth to get the Russians to focus north, south or both. Take warsaw and go for Sweden as well. If you don't get sweden on the first turn, build a Baltic fleet in the second. Convoy an army to Livonia, if you fancy, because a quick and effective strike really allows you to take down Russia and build some new forces as a result.

Or just take Warsaw and Denmark and then go for Benelux, picking an ally in the Anglo-French war and rolling with it.

Why attack Russia? Again, Austria's prospects are essential and it has everything stacked against it, because Italy and Turkey can both play Russia and Austria off each other. Get Russia off of Austria's back, and then Turkey and Italy are more likely to fight each other than to fight Russia because they can't use the threat of Russia to scare the Austrians, and they will be less confident in their prospects vis-a-vis your Anschluss partner.

As for the Anglo-Germany alliance - it is very good indeed from the German side as well. Even if you suffer a setback or two, English naval power allows your combined forces to fight France, Russia, or even both at the same time, quite effectively. But at core, you are attacking Russia straight away before you start to work with either France or England very much. At heart, Austria and Germany are land powers. And Russia has land.
Hellenic Riot (1626 D(G))
21 Jan 12 UTC
You seem too narrowminded. Adapt and react to circumstances, don't go into a game with an inflexible cast-iron strategy.
Dharmaton (2398 D)
21 Jan 12 UTC
I like the effort for sure!
But, this game is way more complex & yes being 'like water' shifting is a must ;)
fwancophile (164 D)
21 Jan 12 UTC
one must endeavor to make a wave!
Ahhh... I remember many moons ago in my youth, I put together a small notebook of set-in-stone strategies just like this for my own use. How naive I was ;-)
Dharmaton (2398 D)
21 Jan 12 UTC
the worst comment is :
"ITALY Italy is fun to play. ... blablahblabh... " --- expand on this eh :)
fwancophile (164 D)
21 Jan 12 UTC
spare me the hippie dippie go with the flow crap! one must set goals! one must press one's built-in advantages! one must create the circumstances in which one thrives!
fwancophile (164 D)
21 Jan 12 UTC
oh italy is a treat. one must figure out how to swallow up austria - tricky but fun, since it involves every other country but england :) once austria is under wing, italy can become a powerhouse
ODaly (236 D)
22 Jan 12 UTC
I would argue on the side of the "play the circumstances" crowd.

Currently on another site for example, as Italy, I am just wringing the last breath out of France in 1904 (all his SCs minus Bre) and am tied for most SCs overall. If the east corner is chaotic enough, Italy can do well by going west first.

England killing off its army will certainly buy you brownie points with Germany, but then you are that much more dependent on him to help you break into France and Russia. If you have a couple armies to toss around, you're much more effective if Germany comes under fire from another direction.

Turkey is a nation that I think is unfairly confined due to historical precedence. An alliance with Austria is just as feasible as an Austrian-Italian Lepanto alliance, as the elimination of either Italy or Turkey will result in a relatively similar position. Turkey is also much more able to help Austria attack Russia, rather than Italy, who'll be more likely to let Austria fend for himself, or even turn against Austria and side with the Russian.

Germany rushing off to Warsaw immediately? That's the easiest way to get an F/E alliance all up in your business out west, no matter what platitudes and promises you've given them. It makes as much sense as Austria trying to force his way into Venice in the first year. Can you send an army into Sil right away on occasion if the situation is right? Absolutely, but leaving enough open neutrals between France and England so that they don't have to fight each other for them is bad planning. If you want to ensure Austria's survival, then tell Russia he can have Swe if he leaves Gal alone (though upholding that promise is another thing if you're bent on stuffing Russia), and threaten sending Mun south if Italy wants to hit Austria early.
Tru Ninja (1016 D(S))
22 Jan 12 UTC
Theres a lot that i disagree with in your notes although i do agree that you need to have an idea of what you want to see happen and try to make it work.

One of the biggest things that i disagree with is the disbanding of the english fleet. England needs armies if its going to get to 18 and it needs them early. If ypu find yourself the target of a FG, the worst thing you can do is have only fleets because they heavily lack in defensive power and 1901 is all about setting momentum and determining whos trustworthy and whos the liar. In addition to this if england is going to make it to 18, it almost always does so by taking the western 17 and a russian center (mos or war) and less frequently tunis. This calls for more armies instead of fleets.

Next, if italy is going to make it to 18, it has to cross the med and the sooner the better. This means that italy can attack austria if he knows that the turk is going to fight russia after A's demise. I do agree that most games, italy needs to focus in the east but moving to pie in s01 isnt a bad idea, necessarily.

The biggest issue i have is that your goal is so rigid. It doesnt cover things like if in 1901 france was telling you the truth and building for an alliance wbile germany secretly has it in for you. Your method essentially burns the french bridge before you can find out what everyone is plying for.

I strongly believe that most everyone determines who theyre going to attack by the end of 1901 and the person who is genuinely seeking an alliance with you isnt always the one you think it is. In addition, the guy who means to attack you might be the one you think is trying to work with you and if you choose wrong in these circumstances, it can mean game over for you.
jmo1121109 (3812 D)
22 Jan 12 UTC
Trying to explain the strategies in a diplomacy is like trying to hold sand. The more you try and grasp it the more is going to slip through your fingers.

Much more important is being able to analyse a board and adapt to the moves and players in the game.
Tom Bombadil (4023 D(G))
22 Jan 12 UTC
"This nation also must maintain complete alliance with Italy and hope that the Turkeys do not suceed in taking control of the Mediterranean and threatening France's south"

Oh noes! I think the turkeys have taken control of the Med!!!!!!!!

http://i.imgur.com/YAem8.jpg


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Dharmaton (2398 D)
19 Jan 12 UTC
Hope you Like BLONDE JOKES :)
Why do blondes do not nead to bleach? - They fell in the vat whilst baby.
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HITLER69 (0 DX)
21 Jan 12 UTC
WORLD WAR 3
How soon? Involving who? Reasons why?

/discuss
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krellin (80 DX)
21 Jan 12 UTC
This is Why...
http://www.thestreet.com/story/11381475/1/gingrich-leads-romney-40-to-26-poll.html?puc=_booyah_html_pla2&cm_ven=EMAIL_booyah_html

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Leonidas (635 D)
20 Jan 12 UTC
Western Canada World Cup team
any interest out there to form our own team for this upcoming world cup?
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SantaClausowitz (360 D)
20 Jan 12 UTC
Thats all folks
Leaving the site for personal reason
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JECE (1248 D)
19 Jan 12 UTC
Ranking of web-based Diplomacy websites VI
This time it has been 13 months since the last time I did a ranking.

For some prior statistics, see threadID=477664, threadID=489951, threadID=513357, threadID=535114, threadID=538014 and threadID=662728.
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obiwanobiwan (248 D)
19 Jan 12 UTC
Iowa Caucus Split: Santorum/Romney Tie, Paul Third...Does This Solidify The Ticket?
https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1LENN_enUS459US459&aq=f&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=iowa+caucus
Romney/Santorum running for the GOP? Newt and Perry seem finished...that leaves Paul, and Romney's won most of the states, and Santorum has the mainstream support--is Paul done as a GOP candidate? 3rd party run? Totally out?
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GOD (389 D)
21 Jan 12 UTC
Join!
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=78213
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The Czech (39715 D(S))
21 Jan 12 UTC
Summer Gunboat 2 Q
Can we unpause now? Everyone has final orders in.
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