@ForNarnia: The fact that he is banned and you are not should prove that we don't think he was multi'ing with your account. Because when they are multi's EVERY account used in the multi is banned. In fact, I could use this case as something special because we didn't use things like IP as hard evidence, but other detailed evidence.

I don't like to talk about punishments or anything, and I know I'll regret this because others will want the same.... but since this won't go away, I'll tell you this:
MPM3di4t0R multi'ed with account QWERTEEOOP. Both are banned.

The unbanning was because of a miscommunication between the mods and kestas (the owner), which was explained in an earlier in this thread. Once this miscommunication was understood, the unbanning was reversed back to a ban.

The case was looked at by 2 admins, the owner, and 2 moderators and they all came to the exact same conclusion: this was a clear open/shut case of multiplaying and the banning was justified.

if it was real life and multiacounting was a crime
you take the guy,put him behind bars,liberate him the next day,only to discover you did a mistake so you bring him back to jail.
not very human and i think there is a law against that
once the prisioner was judged and punished,its not fair to punish him again

@Tao - This is more akin to revoking a license, a clerical error reinstating it then correcting the error. That happens all the time and there is no law against it. But as it happens, a clerical error letting someone out of jail then correcting it isn't against the law either. It's only against the law to try them after they're found not guilty. Revoking parole is common.

@Yellowjacket : must we ban or re-re-re-re-unban " retarded stabs " ?

if i was a prisioner and accidently they let me out,they wont see my ass again if its up to me.
so because of a clerical error i will be transformed into a fugitive.
so the sistem (in case they catch me)will be judging me for a second crime caused by the sistem itself

It's not real life.

is banning permanent or the player can get back to the game or make a new acount and behave?

@Tao - If they let you out, you are out on parole and have to check in with you POWER periodically. That is when they would escort you back and you wouldn't be a fugitive unless you missed that check in which is a crime itself.

Your PO.

The mod have unbanned repentant players before.

@dharm: of course not. I'm just lending my support to Lando's assertion of what does NOT constitute metagaming. If I trust any player (known to me IRL or not) to work well with me, I'm going to ally with him more often, period.

Using prior experience in a non-anon game is human nature and will happen. Saying you are going to go easy and will ally with a friend prior to the game starting as was stated earlier in the three is illegal metagating because the game situation didn't play into the decision at all.

But fortknox already said he was a multi, not just a meta.

christ, are we really going further down this one?

1.) This isn't a democracy, this isn't bound by US law. Kestas is the monarch/benign dictator and has delegated authority to the mods/admins to keep cheating at bay.

2.) The clerical error that draug explained is the best analogy I've seen on it.

As Kestas has said "Sorry guys, I unbanned MPM3di4t0R based on a comparison with the wrong account."

The unbanning was a mistake (like the clerical error) and the original punishment reenacted.

There is no double-jeopardy in webdiplomacy, and even if there was, I don't believe this would apply. Double jeopardy is something like being charged with a murder, it being changed to manslaughter, getting 10 years behind bars, the prosecutor is fired for doing a bad job, and a new one comes in and convinces the courts it was a murder in the 1st degree and demanding a life sentence. You can't be retried for the same crime. MPM wasn't charged with the same crime twice. He was charged with one crime and the punishment was a banning. The unbanning and rebanning was a miscommunication in the prison system, not a retrial.

Yes, we have unbanned in the past with users who actively keep in touch, show remorse, and show they can be trust enough to not be banned, but under a heavy watchful eye. It is extremely rare, because a good chunk of our bans are from users that refuse to talk to us or respond to our emails when we are in the process of investigation, so we never hear from them, period. And we give 2, sometimes 3 extra chances.... we see the users log in, but refuse to reply to our emails...

MPM was one of those users, btw. He wrote that he didn't know why, but there are 4 emails written to him explaining the rule, he's violating it, can he let us know his side of the story, etc etc etc... and we were ignored. He didn't take the chance to try to help himself, so (as ALL the emails stated at the end) if there is no response, we have to assume the worst.

Back to the meta conversation:

Using prior knowledge in non-anon games is common and usually acceptable, but doesn't leave a good taste in my mouth. And you know what? I'm a violator of that.

If you look at my early games, I played a LOT of games with ivo ivanov. I really learned a ton from him and we play extremely similar styles (though he does it a lot better, as you can tell by our records and GR). We seemed to always ally, and when attacking one another we always found a way to make friendly and turn on our allies...

And that, ladies and gentlemen, is why anonymous games were introduced (well, that, and when people saw someone like Marx, most of the players ganged up on him, just to eliminate the obvious biggest threat). And thus I started playing nothing but anon for the longest time.

You know what? Within 5 games, and without intention, ivo and I ended up in the same anon game... and we worked together to the end. We didn't even realize we were in the same game, let alone allies. So I can truly say that it wasn't a harmful meta.

I did play with ivo (again, without knowing) a good year later (since we tried to stay away from one another, him because he wanted to play with new people, me because I wanted to avoid any meta claims), and ended up enemies that eventually drew a game together. So at least one of us changed....
Ivo is from eastern europe, I believe (Romania? Something like that) and I'm from the US. We never communicated or knew each other outside the game until recently. There was no outside the game influence on any of our games.

DO I get my points back from the games with MPM3di4t0R
AND his cohorts ????

fortknox, QWERTEEOOP is his brother. It looks like a case of meta-gaming, but it is not. I know them. MPM may be a strong player, but he is not a meta-gamer. We can prove it. Do you want a youtube video of us explaining the situation, IRL? Because I know MPM was looking into IP scrambling softwares so he can continue playing. And I am sure you wouldn't like not knowing the IP of a player.
And Dharmaton, do not be stupid.

Alright I just found out that He could not figure out how to scramble his IP, so ya. Please give him his account back. Why is he banned because his brother plays, but I am not? He doesn't take advantage of the user under his IP so there is no reason for this.

For yet another time, MPM3di4t0R was banned for multi, not meta. Which means exactly taking advantage of another account (I especially like this one gameID=76819). No messing with IP would result in getting accidentally banned since, as it was stated several times in this thread, mods have much more powerful instruments at hand than monitoring IP which is alone at most a toy for preteen boy blogs. If your friend didn't care to respond to 4 warning emails, he deserves what he got, now it's too late to explain anything. 5 competent people formed an unanimous judgement that your friend cheated, get over it and stop wasting your breath and their time. If he really feels sorry, he can wait some time and then ask for a chance to redeem himself. The first step is to stop denying the guilt though.

He did, I was with him when he responded to the e-mails. And he is not a multi either. I swear to god. Let him have his account back. Now.

@ForNarnia

Quite frankly, you are wasting your time. Absolutely nothing you say here is at all being noticed by the mods for 2 reasons:
1) Official communication happens via email, not the forum.
2) You are not the player who was banned; we honestly do not care about your opinion on the matter unless we ask it of you.

The fact of the matter is that MPM didn't respond to us during our investigation. He has contacted us since being banned, but I, of course, won't comment further on that seeing as it's currently being reviewed.

If we believe you can help us clear MPM's name, you will be contacted. Otherwise, I'd suggest you stop wasting your time.

abgemacht
webDip Admin

I would also like to mention that he emailed them with no response.

Can the mods please contact him on this email: [email protected]

We received his email 4 hours ago, when he sent it. Please don't expect us to drop everything now that it's convenient for him to respond to us.

you mean mods have lives outside of what our immediate demands require at any given time?

Why, this shakes the fundamentals of my universe to the very core!

+1 Ulytau. That game sums it up, I wish I had a Turkey like that everytime I played Austria...