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TheGhostmaker (1545

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18 Feb 10 UTC

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Replacement(s) for Masters Wanted

1 place available, and an empty waiting list to fill
Email [email protected] if interested

Ghost

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20 Feb 10 UTC

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what happened to the db?

what broke the site?

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20 Feb 10 UTC

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World Variant - How many supply centers to win?

How many supply centers to win?

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20 Feb 10 UTC

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Live WTA Gunboat

http://www.webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=22067

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20 Feb 10 UTC

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livegame in 10 minutes

http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=22081

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urallLESBlANS (0

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20 Feb 10 UTC

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no build phase

Our build phase seems to have been skipped due to the downtime.

http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=21621

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19 Feb 10 UTC

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Chaos game!

http://goondip.com/board.php?gameID=346

Only 3 more!

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17 Feb 10 UTC

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DID I MISS SOMETHING

I've been playing this game for over twenty years and am new this site since oct last year.Have played on bouced site for last 5 years.But did I miss something along the way or is it lingo used only on this site.
But when Italy asks France to NAP what is he asking.

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obiwanobiwan (248

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18 Feb 10 UTC

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The World Champion Writers

In the spirit of the Olympics (the only sport I care about during the Winter Games... go USA Hockey!), land because the written word is amazing... "The World Champion Writers." List the best 3 writers for each country (1 novels/poems, 1 theatre, 1 philosophy) and then we'll see who the best of the best are.

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KarlTheLittle (311

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20 Feb 10 UTC

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Live Gunboat in 20 Min.

http://www.webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=22064

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superman98 (118

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19 Feb 10 UTC

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Another attempt at a Live WTA....

Heya! New live game tonight, another attempt: 10

to join, 5min phases, Winner Takes All, starts at about 7:15pm EST. Come join!
gameID=22062

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superman98 (118

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19 Feb 10 UTC

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New Live Game!!!!!- WTA!!!!

Heya! New live game tonight: 10

to join, 5min phases, Winner Takes All, starts at about 7:00pm EST. Come join!!!

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millertime8647 (165

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19 Feb 10 UTC

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Few more people for a World Wide Varient?

http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=21712

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19 Feb 10 UTC

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Big pot WTA gameID=22060

1 day phases, 3 days to join.

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19 Feb 10 UTC

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Live game

http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=22029

2 more to go- come on guys;)

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PirateJack (400

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19 Feb 10 UTC

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Live Game Needs One More Player

http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=22052

3.40mins left to join!

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18 Feb 10 UTC

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StarCraft II Beta

If you've been invited to the StarCraft II beta, hit me up so we can play online!

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19 Feb 10 UTC

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New Participated Live Gunboat starts in 30 Min.

http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=22041

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pastoralan (100

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16 Feb 10 UTC

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Does winning matter?

I'm looking at a game and thinking that I'm likely to survive but not win. So I'm trying to understand what happens to losers. Does the winning player get any kind of bonus for victory, or do all survivors split the pot evenly?

If the only difference between winning and a 2-way draw is 1/34 of the pot, it seems to me that this creates significant strategy differences from traditional Diplomacy...in my experience, a victory is substantially more valued than a draw.

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19 Feb 10 UTC

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live game in 15

http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=22051

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KarlTheLittle (311

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19 Feb 10 UTC

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Live Gunboat starts in 30 Min.

http://www.webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=22026

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jwalters93 (288

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19 Feb 10 UTC

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In Soviet Russia, Game plays You!

http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=22047

need 6 more

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TheGhostmaker (1545

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19 Feb 10 UTC

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Draws, Skill and the relationship between them.

GameID>4000 (ie with a fully compliant adjudicator)
http://docs.google.com/View?id=d4dx8wv_64cczrcpdg

As an aside, post number 5000

hellalt (80 )
19 Feb 10 UTC

very interesting!

TheGhostmaker (1545 )
19 Feb 10 UTC

I need to play you at FA hellalt, but it'll have to wait for tomorrow.

stratagos (3269 )
19 Feb 10 UTC

Obviously it proves that high Ghost Rating players have been corrupted by the system, as we all know the only *true* victory is a solo. Or something.

TheGhostmaker (1545 )
19 Feb 10 UTC

No. It proves that they value victory, and therefore won't let it happen for anyone else. Vicious Bastards.

stratagos (3269 )
19 Feb 10 UTC

I was actually surprised by the number of two way draws. I wouldn't have expected many to begin with, and I would have expected the number to sharply drop at higher levels. Instead it's pretty constant

DingleberryJones (4469 )
19 Feb 10 UTC

Sum those graphs up for the colorblind....

figlesquidge (2131 )
19 Feb 10 UTC

Strat: You sound like Noodlebug!
DJ: The top line is solo's, then 2nd most likely results are 3-way draws, then 4-way and last 2-way, presumably because its such an awkward situation for many nations to reach (ET being a clear counterexample)

figlesquidge (2131 )
19 Feb 10 UTC

Lower the PMCC graphs show solo most likely for low GR, and 3-way is again the line rising towards it fastest (overtaking in WTAs to be the most common result).

stratagos (3269 )
19 Feb 10 UTC

Lower ranked players have an extremely high proportion of solos to other wins, but solos, three ways, and four ways seem to be about even at the high end.

In the final graph, the line dropping sharply is solos, and the line jumping sharply is three ways

Chrispminis (916 )
19 Feb 10 UTC

"Strat: You sound like Noodlebug!"

Hardly anybody understands that reference! Let go of the past old man!

figlesquidge (2131 )
19 Feb 10 UTC

You're a year older than me (and welcome back to society - I saw you in one of the 'heavy' threads recently), and started here before me - so you're pretty well the only person who *cant* call me old here! :P

Still, an interesting set of results Ghost. They match what I expected surprisingly closely, although I must admit I rather assumed that my assumptions would be completely inaccurate.

Acosmist (0 )
19 Feb 10 UTC

Same thing with chess ratings. Chessbase bizarrely trumpets the lower draw percentage among lower-ranked players, sometimes calling it "fighting spirit" when in fact it's just a higher incidence of errors leading to a decisive advantage.

TheGhostmaker (1545 )
19 Feb 10 UTC

For colourblind:

All games:
Top solos
Bottom 2-ways
The one that briefly peaks above solos is three ways

WTA only:
Looking down the left:
solo
4-ways
3-ways
2-ways

Least squares lines graphs:

down the left
All games:
solo
3
2
4
5
6
7

WTA only:
solo
4
3
5
2
6
7

texasdeluxe (516 )
19 Feb 10 UTC

Well I guess I can blame my lack of wins on how great a player I am ;P

Noirin (2827 )
19 Feb 10 UTC

Poor old Noodlebug!

Apart from that, how have you considered the fact that draws weren't available for the first 1500 or more games, so for more than 30% of the games considered?

TheGhostmaker (1545 )
19 Feb 10 UTC

I only looked at GameIDs above 4000 to avoid that problem, Noirin

Noirin (2827 )
19 Feb 10 UTC

Oh, sorry, understood it the wrong way (< 4000).

jbalcorn (429 )
19 Feb 10 UTC

I'd be willing to bet the # of solos in low GR games is heavily correlated with a lot of CDs.

Centurian (3257 )
19 Feb 10 UTC

Highly rated games have lots of good players. Lots of good players aren't likely to lose a game. Especially in WTA. I have conceded one solo this year, and it was only because of a mishap on someone elses part. Draws are just about not letting anyone win.

Centurian (3257 )
19 Feb 10 UTC

Actually I think that was in 2009.

But the point is, if you play in games with more than three decent players, they should be able to say "hey guys, France is at 12 centres, alarm alarm."

fortknox (2059 )
19 Feb 10 UTC

I'm impressed that there are still solos for the higher ranks. I'd expect to be near nil...

TheGhostmaker (1545 )
19 Feb 10 UTC

Well, there is still the chance of games with one or two weak players in them which would mean that a soloist could play off their weakness in order to gain a win.

Parallelopiped (691 )
19 Feb 10 UTC

You also underestimate the power of candy as a form of bribery

Samianus (471 )
19 Feb 10 UTC

I think that the Ghost Rating rewards draws more heavily than wins so that those that draw a lot get higher ratings. Correlation equals causation, right? ;-)

I would think that the smaller number of CDs among higher level players strongly contributes to the fewer solo victories.

I play mainly gunboat games because otherwise I wouldn't have enough time to play more than 1 or 2 games at a time. It is pretty difficult to draw in gunboat games.

jbalcorn (429 )
19 Feb 10 UTC

It used to be true that draws were worth a lot due to a bug in the algorithm. We found the error and corrected it, so now it's a better relative worth - it used to be that draws with higher-ranked opponents actually counted for twice what they should have.

TheGhostmaker (1545 )
19 Feb 10 UTC

Not quite true that jbalcorn, however there was a slight tendency to overvalue *all* draws, though a number were undervalued too.

It's all recalculated now so that isn't relevant to this data.

CD is likely a relevant factor, alongside greater skill.

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19 Feb 10 UTC

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Live Gunboat Game

http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=22028

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19 Feb 10 UTC

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Smyna to St. Pete

Turkey and I devised this plan a few years ago and talked England into joining in. gameID=17240

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17 Feb 10 UTC

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Needles into Heavan

It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than it is for a rich man to enter the gates of Heavan.
This seems quite clear to me, yet the Catholic Church is said to be the richest organisation on Earth and there are millionaire Evangalists on TV. Hipocracy or is it a very big needle you have to pass through to get in?

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19 Feb 10 UTC

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Aardark - does any one here use it?

I have recently discovered a new social networking site called aarkvak which enable users to answer each others questions. I would be interested to hear what people think of it?

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19 Feb 10 UTC

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Whatever happened to the inter-diplomacy -website competition?

Is this still happening?

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19 Feb 10 UTC

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Himmeldonnerwetter

http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=22011
20

, points per center, 24 hour phases, 10 days to join.

It's a German expletive. Kind of old-timey.

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19 Feb 10 UTC

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Live WTA starts in 20

http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=22007

You know you want to....

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