@checkmate:

From that period of history we have precious few real proofs of anything... we get Exodus largely because, with the obvious exception of the miracles, which require faith, the rest of the story seems reasonabl enough, and would fit with understandings from the generations when we DO have our first real writings and evidence we can trust... Jews as slaves and opressed fits their role in every other such situation (Babylon, Persia, Rome) in antiquity that we know of them, and enough Jewish/Non-Jewish writers seem to write about the story that the basic story (Jews in Egypt, opressed, man named Moses led them out somehow) that it is a reasonable assumption that the essence of that story is true.

@UOSnu:

What is a Kalam? I have NO IDEA what that is, and it has nothing to do with Spinoza's idea... or mine.

To streamline:

-Do you believe that life is cause and effect, and logical as we understand it?

If not- expalin why, but if SO:

-Everything is a cause-effect leading to cause-effect and so on...
-This can be traced backward
-Eventually you would, going back, find that there is an original cause, or even an original series of causes, that started the chain, analogous to a finger or fingers knocking over the first domino in a long, long chain ot the first motion in a game of Mousetrap
-Logically this is impossible as we understamd logic, for this contradicts what we have established, namely "Everything is caused by SOMETHING" and "Something did, in fact, exist without a prior cause"
-Nothing that operates logically in this logical spectrum as we know it can accomplish this, THEREFORE:

-Something outside or beyond this spectrum of being, unhampered by the "cause-effect" rule, was the first cause.

That is the creator of all we know, a "God" or "force" or whatever... but what and who and where and why this thing works and what it's like we do NOT know.
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