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superkeiko (239 D)
22 Dec 09 UTC
Cheap, fast, and silent, gunboat 5 min round(live), please join...
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=17341
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superkeiko (239 D)
22 Dec 09 UTC
Live Game, WTA, and Anon, please join....
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=17332
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WhiteSammy (132 D)
22 Dec 09 UTC
CPU and WMP Network
Details Inside....
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general (100 D)
22 Dec 09 UTC
Live game (10 min/round)
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=17326
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obiwanobiwan (248 D)
22 Dec 09 UTC
As We Near December 25th... What Better Time To Wonder About HIM?
Let me ask this, in the spirit (not really) of the holiday:

WHY do you like/follow Jesus/Biblical Teachings or dislike/go against those two? We always discuss them... but we never say WHY we feel good or bad about Jesus/God/Moses/Muhammad, or WHY not... go!
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superkeiko (239 D)
22 Dec 09 UTC
Yes, you guess it, another live game, please join.
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=17321
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Chas Diamond (316 D)
21 Dec 09 UTC
is my game a WTA or a points-per-supply-centre?
I'm sure this used to be obvious - but I can't see it on my current game.

http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=15061
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superkeiko (239 D)
22 Dec 09 UTC
Live game, gunboat, small pot, come right in.
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=17318
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obiwanobiwan (248 D)
22 Dec 09 UTC
Diplomacy World Cup- US West!
Come on and join, let's form up our team, guys!
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bbdaniels (461 D(B))
22 Dec 09 UTC
Live Game Tonight?
Anybody interested?
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The_Master_Warrior (10 D)
05 Feb 10 UTC
Prejudiced Jokes
Ready, set, go! Nothing is off limits, as long is it is prejudiced in some way.
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jireland20 (0 DX)
22 Dec 09 UTC
come play
3 more spots!!! http://www.webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=17310
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ottovanbis (150 DX)
20 Dec 09 UTC
Good Essay on Preventing Stabs I just Read, New Players Should Read This
I have enclosed the article.

ottovanbis (150 DX)
20 Dec 09 UTC
We were good allies. We were sweeping the board together on our way to the draw, when suddenly he stabbed me and took the win all by himself. That untrustworthy SOB. I'll never ally with him again!

I have heard the above, or a similar statement more times than I care to think about. The speaker is, of course, bemoaning the fact that his chosen ally ended up being someone he couldn't trust. Can you blame the guy for being upset that all the hard work he put into the game has gone for naught? Well, in most cases, you can! I find that most stabs are caused by some failure on the part of the stabee. Ah, let me count the ways (all five of them):

1. Failure to communicate with your ally.

This can often happen from overconfidence late in the game when one ally thinks everything is in hand and stops writing. That person, then, is amazed that he gets stabbed, but he shouldn't be, because he was asking for it. In postal Diplomacy, most people stop writing their ally when they are planning to stab him. The reasons for this are varied. Some feel that they will ensure "surprise" if they tell their ally nothing. Some feel that it is a waste of postage to write anyone who's an enemy--even a future enemy. Others are uncomfortable lying, and feel that not writing is technically not telling a lie. Well, you may not have intended to convey the impression of a pending stab by your silence, but Diplomacy players in general are a paranoid lot--and generally with good reason. Being paranoid, they tend to read sinister intentions in everything that happens (or fails to happen). Given your failure to write your good ally might well reason, "if this guy is preparing to stab me, why don't I get in first with a pre-emptive strike?" Don't blame your ally for being human. Write and continually reassure him, particularly if you are planning a stab. What have you to lose?...only an ally and possibly the game.

2. Failure to understand an ally's legitimate needs.

We are allied, you are Austria, I am Russia, and we have just co-operated in the conquest of Turkey. You then propose a deal whereby you attack Germany and northern Italy while I attack England and Italy. You are then surprised when I stab you next turn. Again, you deserved what you got! Just how far did you think I would get when I have to support two offenses from a single home centre each? A Mediterranean and English offensive both require fleets, and your proposal would have made a large portion of my forces--armies--useless. Where is my future growth to come from? You! Be careful to ensure that you remain roughly equal with an ally in strength and potential. All of us like to feel safe, but don't try to make yourself safe at your ally's expense; treat him like an equal.

3. Failure to C.Y.A.

C.Y.A., of course, stands for "cover your ass!" I also call it the Silver Platter Doctrine. Don't expect your ally to have the restraint of Job. Humans, and especially Diplomacy players, are not so constituted. Take, for example, the case of a Franco-German alliance. You have just knocked out England, and are starting to turn east. You, as Germany, send everything you have east, leaving all your possessions in central Germany totally uncovered. Well, regardless of your alliance, you are handing the Frenchman the game - or at least all of your home centres - on a silver platter. Keep a few units back. A judicious use of garrisons is essential, but don't expect your ally to hand you the game either. He'll be keeping garrisons too. And if he doesn't, you stab him. He deserves it.

4. Failure to study the board dispassionately and plan accordingly.

Here we get out of the purely one-on-one relationship between you and your ally and look at the game as a whole. Diplomacy is a board game, and it stands to reason that what a player intends is reflected by his position and moves on the board. Study it! Your ally can protest to high heaven that he is with you, but if his armies are heading toward your provinces, don't be surprised if they attempt to find a home there. Where can he move? If he can hurt you, take steps to ensure that it is more profitable for him to move elsewhere. Don't get blinded to reality, either by your ally's pretty phrases or by your own grandiose plans. Studying the board will tell you a lot that your ally won't.

5. Failure to communicate with the rest of the board.

This is your D.E.W (Distant Early Warning) line. Who better to warn you of the machinations of a potentially dangerous ally than those whose best interest it is to do so? The other players will give you all sorts of warnings about your ally, but expect that you will have to sort through a lot of chaff to find a kernel of truth--particularly if you have a potentially winning alliance. But if you have statements from your ally against which to check other information, if you have looked out for your ally's legitimate needs, if your ass is covered, and if you have studied the board position, such information does not exist in a vacuum. Again, you have no one else to blame if you get stabbed by another player who had it in his best interests to warn you, but who was put off by your failure to ask him.

There will always be stabs in Diplomacy--can you imagine the game without them? The important thing is to be sure that the dagger always points elsewhere. But if you are surprised by a successful stab despite every precaution, don't condemn the perpetrator as being "untrustworthy." Rather, praise him and learn from the experience. Enjoy!

ottovanbis (150 DX)
20 Dec 09 UTC
this is not my work, to avoid being accused of plagiarism, here's a citation:
http://www.diplom.org/~diparch/resources/strategy/articles/prevent.htm
DominicHJ (100 D)
20 Dec 09 UTC
Number 3 is my golden rule. The others are quite good as well.
ottovanbis (150 DX)
20 Dec 09 UTC
I chuckled to myself as I read this. Great article.
akilies (861 D)
20 Dec 09 UTC
best thing i've read in a while :) CYA!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thucydides (864 D(B))
20 Dec 09 UTC
What about when your ally is a selfish prick. You do number two admirably, but he wants more than his fair share, and stabs you anyway. Bullshit. Lol.

But yeah this is a good guide.
Where's the one for lying real-life friends who show you webdiplomacy because "they think you'll like it" and then proceed to lie and use your lack of knowledge of the game to their adavantage and essentially make you the bitch account of a multi-accounter before stabbing you and disavowing any knowlegdge of an agreement to be continued allies? I, and the back of my hand, have found a retroactive way of dealing with this, but I saw no number for it.
ottovanbis (150 DX)
20 Dec 09 UTC
lol
ottovanbis (150 DX)
20 Dec 09 UTC
bump for new people who need to learn this
sean (3490 D(B))
21 Dec 09 UTC
I think you could add one somewhat related to number 2 but more strategic in terms rather than tactical. Failure to decipher what your ally will ultimately accept as an ending of the game, we have a minority on this site who will ally and play normally but who consider a draw to be just marginally above a loss and thus will stab you without doubt. There is another minority on this site who are pro draw and will never stab a long term ally. i think most players fall in the middle, a win is preferable and if you fail to think about no.3 CYA then they will attack and go for the win but a well covered arse should see you through ok.
sean (3490 D(B))
21 Dec 09 UTC
You could maybe make a graph, with ease of stab(difficult to stab due to your ally covering his arse) on the Y and desire to win(acceptance of a draw outcome)on the X axis. that would give you a rough guide to the chances of your ally stabbing you, however you may be able to rate the ease of a stab (based on your defensive structure) but you cant really rate your ally on his desire to win/acceptance of a draw outcome
Crazyter (1335 D(G))
21 Dec 09 UTC
So Otto and Dave, since we just had a draw, (due to certian people not showing up, but that's a topic for another discussion) lets discuss that game in terms of the 5 stab rules above. I want to get both of your comments about the E-G alliance. As G, I was paranoid that E might stab me, so I had to CYA. I've made that mistake too many times in other games and gotten stabbed by my ally. So then I did not have enough armies and got stalemated by I. But E did you really think I was over-reacting and building too many fleets, or were you planning to stab me at the end for the win?
Crazyter (1335 D(G))
21 Dec 09 UTC
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=17168#gamePanel
if anyone else is interested in commenting
ottovanbis (150 DX)
21 Dec 09 UTC
I made a personal apology to you in an IM Crazyter, I wanted to finish that game, trust me I did. I should have rushed to contact you guys, but I didn't have time. England talked to me about stabbing you in former France btw. I think you followed the CYA rule very well.
Crazyter (1335 D(G))
21 Dec 09 UTC
Thanks Otto. France? you mean my former Germany?
ottovanbis (150 DX)
21 Dec 09 UTC
no, he wanted to arrange me supporting him into Mar, aka part of southern france at that point under German occupation.
doofman (201 D)
21 Dec 09 UTC
okay, from my past experiences playing with Dave- he is trustworthy and will not stab a good ally.. but then again every game is different..
good article Otto and yeah always CYA
ottovanbis (150 DX)
21 Dec 09 UTC
bump
dave bishop (4694 D)
21 Dec 09 UTC
Yeah, basically I never plan to stab, but Crazters builds were VERY suspicious, as in my opinion he could have covered his arse with armies, while not threatening me, which was my original plan.
By the point which we drew, he had 6 armies and 4 fleets, which for a Germany with a English alliance, seems crazy (suiting to his name I suppose).

I'm not certain either way, but would have been ready to take Begium by force if I thought he was gonna take Sweden... I would have 2 way drawed if I trusted him enough...
I'd say roughly 60% chance I'd have stabbed or tried to
dave bishop (4694 D)
21 Dec 09 UTC
and thanks doofman... our alliances do rock :)
ottovanbis (150 DX)
22 Dec 09 UTC
that's what i thought!
orathaic (1009 D(B))
22 Dec 09 UTC
@Crazyter: have you ever invaded austria from germany with many armies fast enough to prevent someone else making major gains?

i'd say in winter 04/05 you could have done with two armies and sent them to Boh,Sil,Tyrolia not helped italy against austria, swapped sides once austria we too weak to fight off italy on his own, and help hurt italy (which would have been important without any french invasion of italy) left warsaw and moscow to capable english armies (and they would be far enough away from you so long as you kept your fleet in the blatic)

so instead of wiping out russia, make sure he is putting up some fight against england (so england doesn't grow too fast and has to commit a lot of his own troops to the invasion to be successful at all and you can use russia as an ally in case england stabs - even claiming honestly that you never helped england attack you...)
Crazyter (1335 D(G))
22 Dec 09 UTC
No I havent tried invading A from G like that. Sounds like something I'll have to try sometime.

Maybe I overreacted in this game because of not covering well enough defensively in past games and getting stabbed. I figured fleets would be needed against his fleets. BY the time we paused, I had built my last fleet and was ready to go for an army invasion again. Too bad we couldn't ge the game going again after the pause.

And you have to remember that this was a live game, not a lot of time to build up trust. If I had played often with Dave and knew him well, I would have been more trusting, although that can even be a mistake sometimes.


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Primerafik (264 D)
21 Dec 09 UTC
Need a Player to Pick Up the Pieces of a Shattered Germany
Looking for a player to finish out a game as Germany. Country is not in complete disrepair. Game ID: 16511.

more . . .
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jireland20 (0 DX)
21 Dec 09 UTC
Two more people
http://www.webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=17297
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zrallo (100 D)
21 Dec 09 UTC
live game now
http://www.webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=17297
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baumhaeuer (245 D)
19 Dec 09 UTC
Types of forum threads
I've noticed something...
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OMGNSO (415 D)
17 Dec 09 UTC
Diplomacy in real life?
Any examples you can think of where the game of diplomacy has features applicable to real life?
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idealist (680 D)
21 Dec 09 UTC
A quick question.
If you close your web browser but leave your account logged on, is there still a dot next to your name?
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Bob (742 D)
20 Dec 09 UTC
Dash Next to Country Name
This is probably a really dumb question...but, what is the "-" next to the country name of any given game mean?
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Perry6006 (5409 D)
21 Dec 09 UTC
WTA Live game! 10D! 5 min deadline! Join up!
"War again...":
http://www.webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=17278
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jeromeblack (129 D)
21 Dec 09 UTC
5 minute phase
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=17293

Join and Post!
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Gnome de Guerre (359 D)
21 Dec 09 UTC
Game is over, and this is what happened next; please discuss.
http://webdiplomacy.net/map.php?gameID=16078
http://webdiplomacy.net/forum.php?threadID=507544
The game is over, so you can talk about it now. :)
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Serioussham (446 D)
21 Dec 09 UTC
Live Game?
Anybody up for a live game tonight? WTA?
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Join this game plz :D
http://www.webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=17272

:D
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Xapi (194 D)
21 Dec 09 UTC
I broke my home page (And someone else's)
See inside, particularily Kestas.
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Stukus (2126 D)
20 Dec 09 UTC
Open Germany, 5 SC, Wilson Game
http://www.webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=16511

Germany has 5 SCs in our game but has CD'd. It's not a terrible position, and we could use a new Germany. If anyone's interested, please join.
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zrallo (100 D)
21 Dec 09 UTC
live game now
http://www.webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=17165
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general (100 D)
21 Dec 09 UTC
Join FAST game: 10 mins/round - Quickie-4
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=17266
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Kyrios (100 D)
21 Dec 09 UTC
A Little Live Game
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=17260

Join!
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