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steephie22 (182 D(S))
01 Apr 15 UTC
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Official Announcement
Dear webDippers,
Draugnar and I are proud to announce that we managed to hack the site, ban the current regime and turned some enlightened members into mods.
We are looking into the cases of other previously banned players to see which were banned unjustly. We're not making any major policy changes, but we're ending the previous tyranny.
Enjoy your stay!
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Mujus (1495 D(B))
24 Mar 15 UTC
Seeing through the Mystique of Bad Science
http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/cross-check/2015/03/23/sociologist-steve-fuller-scientists-arent-more-rational-than-the-rest-of-us/
phil_a_s (0 DX)
24 Mar 15 UTC
It is an interesting opinion piece, though the author seems to represent two radical points of view and place himself as a compromise. Not only that, his claims, though some are valid, lead to a faulty conclusion.
orathaic (1009 D(B))
25 Mar 15 UTC
Interesting, scientists are human, but science is a collaboration which allows correction or errors made by individuals. And has over centuries made progress through the most difficult of problems.

Maybe it can take a decade or generation for a new idea to become accepted, but the testing process (of say, something like the theory of evolution) cancels out the individual biases of each scientist.
orathaic (1009 D(B))
25 Mar 15 UTC
That said the 'history of science' is used as a teaching tool, to help students understand a complex process it helps to tell a step by step story.

They show the failings of previous theories with specific examples and then the simplest explaination which explains that experiment.

This helps students understand very complex ideas, and their justification, but not the real process of how scientific progress is made. It is a fabrication, and it is well known that 'science history' is just that.

If you ever learned any of the history of science in high school, it was likely a simplified story/model used as an aid to learning. And these simplified stories often result in misundersandings which i've seen used by creationists among others use to 'debunk' science. Most often a result of their own misunderstandings - sometimes coupled with over-simplification of the model - but made all the more convincing by how widely known the model is.
X3n0n (216 D)
25 Mar 15 UTC
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I just read this and some of the linked articles. It seems a lot of empty shadow-boxing to me, albeit this might not be the case for people that are less familiar with PoS/ToS/epistemology (or however you might call it). The article's pretty much are modern language rewriting of Kant's paragraphs on the role of "philosophers" (aka scientists in modern language) in the "Perpetual Peace." orathaic pretty much made the point of why and what HoS should tell us. I'd just like to point out where most critics or debunkers of science got PoS (and in particular Kuhn) wrong:

(1) science is a process, which does not rely so much on "testing" but on "reproducing." This basically means, if one can reproduce the discovered effect (or phenomenon) under the same conditions, it holds, if not, then something is fishy.

(2) Scientific knowledge is authoritative not because of the degree names or the tenure affiliations of their holders, but because of the possibility to access and evaluate the knowledge generating process. You can then change the process (eg. switching from thought experiments to actual experiments and then check the results again, or many, many more). Scientists are people trained at doing this kind of things.

(3) "Debunkers" (and this author here) make up some fictional type of scientist, then look for one or two examples where real world scientists don't fit the bill and derive from this the extreme conclusion (a) scientists don't know shit or the more moderate (b) outsiders are needed to fact-check untruthful scientists.

The claim scientists exaggerated everything might be right. In most cases though, I have the impression that the exaggeration is not the scientists doing, but the (non-scientific) audience's doing. This might stem from general unfamiliarity with scientific jargon (which differs across the fields), a lack in statistical knowledge, certain expectations, etc. That the author cites in particular biomedicine and economics as prime examples should not surprise here. Both concern us all in our daily lives, so we hope to improve our situation and to do so by acquiring more knowledge about it. We then are informed eg. that a hike in min wages costs us 1% of PIB growth. Most of the time, the information is something like 1% PIB growth ± some span. Most people read this as 3% PIB up this year, we had min wages so we could have had 4% FOR CERTAIN (or AT LEAST). It is very difficult to blame that exaggeration on the scientist. And if this wrong understanding didn't materialise (because it was never part of the claim anyways), you get yourself another argument against "all-knowing" scientists.

(4) The scientific community is not a court with authoritative judicial power or a legislature where you negotiate the validity of your claims. If a consensus builds up it works more like: "Hey you know, you drive on two wheels – No way, I tried and I fell, it is not possible after all. – well, you need of course build a bycicle to ride on them – AH, ofc then it works, but that is not impressive, because I wanted to ride on two wheels WITHOUT anything attached – you're right this doesn't work" This looks like a controversial discourse, but both of the "opponents" will agree, that you can ride on two wheels. Provided that you have a bycicle. Unfortunately, most debunkers (and many sociologists) don't get this part. They tend to make up a big pro and con story. For entertainment. And blame science for it.
orathaic (1009 D(B))
30 Mar 15 UTC
Here is a great example of criticism of 'science' pointing to flaws in the communication that is going on: www.vox.com/2015/3/23/8264355/research-study-hype

It uses data from actual research to support its position, ie is itself scientific.
jbalcorn (429 D)
30 Mar 15 UTC
It uses data from actual research to support its position, ie is itself statistical. Not scientific. Which may make it more, or less, true, depending on the statistics. But statistics != science. (Although, as Adam Savage says "The difference between fooling around and doing science is writing your results down!" )
fulhamish (4134 D)
01 Apr 15 UTC
An interesting thread and one on which I have been meaning to comment.

1) '' But statistics != science''. Personally I find it useful to be clear whether the stats being employed are descriptive (e.g., means, standard deviation etc.) and when they are inferential (e.g., judgments of probabilities etc.). The former group are inherently potentially useful whereas the latter group may very well be useful, but also come with very big health warnings. For example, we all know that correlation does not necessary imply causation. To give an example from the scientific literature (Nature no less): Quinn, Graham E.; Shin, Chai H.; Maguire, Maureen G.; Stone, Richard A. (May 1999). "Myopia and ambient lighting at night". Nature 399 (6732): 113–4. doi:10.1038/20094. PMID 10335839.

2) I would make the further point that I do have a little sympathy with the sociologist quoted, at least on the grounds that scientists are often dedicated hyper-reductionists. Please don't misunderstand me reductionism is a great tool, but when it is employed to the exclusion of the ‘wider-world’ it too comes with a very big health warning. To finish on a positive note here is some very interesting news from yesterday which showed how cooperation between medieval scholars and microbiologists might well have resulted in a breakthrough around the very serious and growing problem of antibiotic-resistant infection. Inspiring to read and, without question, real science.

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn27263-anglo-saxon-remedy-kills-hospital-superbug-mrsa.html#.VRvaz46rEuI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mo4K51bQVs0


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obiwanobiwan (248 D)
31 Mar 15 UTC
2015 MLB Preview and Predictions
It's that time of year again. Buy yourself some peanuts, some crackerjacks...maybe some syringes and performance-enhancing drugs, and get ready for another baseball season! My predictions for the standings, 10 playoff teams, playoff picks, World Series winner and then 10 predictions for the season are below...add your own. :)
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VashtaNeurotic (2394 D)
13 Dec 14 UTC
The Greatest People in History Tournament
Now that nominations are in, it is time to decide who really was the greatest person form all of History. Will Ghengis Khan rise to conquer the bracket? Will Tolkien or the Beatles be the first Nominees to win two tournaments? Will Aristotle be proved wrong in his prediction that he will win? Or will a Wild Card take the whole tournament? Only one way to find out.
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steephie22 (182 D(S))
31 Mar 15 UTC
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Value of the Euro
So the Euro has taken a huge dive..
Will it dive even further or can we expect a correction?
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JamesYanik (548 D)
31 Mar 15 UTC
Chess Dip Variant
see inside
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captainmeme (1723 DMod)
16 Feb 15 UTC
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UK F2F Game
Would anyone be interested in a F2F game in England, sometime in the weeks following the 23rd of March?

Some of the mods were discussing trying to set one up, but obviously we'd need to know if there's enough interest. Where exactly it would be would depend on what's convenient for the people who express interest (and what locations turn out to be possible).
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Rhinos (1763 D)
30 Mar 15 UTC
Risorgimento Diplomacy Variant
I have been working on a variant for my Italian class based on the Italian unification. It is a modified version of the Rinascimento map. I have no experience in creating variants, and I would like people to suggest possible improvements to the map.
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Valis2501 (2850 D(G))
30 Mar 15 UTC
The President is at A4
I'm sitting directly above the President right now; my lab is on the 2nd floor and the restaurant is on the 1st floor.

Discuss.
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Mintyboy4 (100 D)
29 Mar 15 UTC
Semi-Anon Gunboat game
So this Chaos of the last couple of weeks in my life has now blown over, and I now have time to do stuff again.
8 replies
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ssorenn (0 DX)
27 Mar 15 UTC
A Dirty so-n-so game, needs to be revived
Let's play. No holds barred. Public press. Who's got the stomach and or nuts for it. Cheap buy in. The archives will have a special place for the chatter of this holy game. Any takers?
98 replies
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Kane of NOD (5 DX)
27 Mar 15 UTC
Kane Lives!
Yes my children your savior Kane has return. We must now spread the teaching of NOD throughout Webdiplomacy.net!
29 replies
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rmf (100 D)
29 Mar 15 UTC
A formal apology
I have a health problem that hurts my ability to participate in scheduled activities even though I try really hard to pretend it doesn't. I know how to cope with it, but I grew lenient and let that hurt the games I am playing in. I want to apologise.
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JamesYanik (548 D)
27 Mar 15 UTC
WebDiplomacy is now under Martial Law
Sorry this message is about 9 years late
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Caballo Blanco (1005 D)
29 Mar 15 UTC
I know we are not suppose to talk about current games but...
"Top 48 richest webdipers' game"

Holy crap... the pots worth 30303! Oh I wonder what it feels like to be in the 1%...
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Maggenta (161 D)
24 Mar 15 UTC
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Respect for the dead
Is there a support service here, because we would like to make some changes to the game. We would like to point out that it's absolutely rude that there is no R.I.P. sign below 'CROSSED' friendly fellow who died bravely on a battlefield.
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Valis2501 (2850 D(G))
01 Mar 15 UTC
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webDip EOG repository
http://tinyurl.com/webDipEOG
-for EOG thread/games/result(basic)
http://tinyurl.com/webDipEOGadd
-for the form to add new ones
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mariopandez91 (0 DX)
27 Mar 15 UTC
Buy Fake/Real Passport,driver license,id cards,birth certificate,diplomas,ssn etc
DATA BASE REGISTERED REAL AND FAKE PASSPORTS,DRIVERS LICENSE,ID CARD,VISAS
[email protected]
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Extraneous Games
Is there a way to hide or remove games that I have been defeated in under the My Games column? It's kind of annoying to have games that you can't affect show up in my screen, and being reminded of a defeat every time I log on isn't fun, either.
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katzmichelle76 (0 DX)
27 Mar 15 UTC
high-quality novelty passports, driver’s licenses, ID cards
No spam on forum
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G1 (92 D)
26 Mar 15 UTC
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Whatever happened to Draugnar?
Back when I used to be really active on this site, Draugnar was one of the most... distinctive personalities in the forum, despite the fact that I don't think I ever saw his points total at anything other than 100 for any period of time (which made a few people assume he was an entry-level noob, lol). Then he got banned, along with draugnar's_ghost, draugnar's_zombie, etc. Is he back under a different name? Is he gone? Sure he was kind of a douche, but man did he know how to troll.
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mromain (100 D)
25 Mar 15 UTC
Difference between phpDiplomacy and webdiplomacy
Hi,
What is the difference between those two sites ?
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studid55 (100 D)
26 Mar 15 UTC
Account delete for new username?
My bro made this account with my email in. I use the e mail and I want an account of my own but not with this username. Is there a way to delete my account and start from scratch or to change my username? Thanks
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bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
26 Mar 15 UTC
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Yes, BP Ruined the Gulf
http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2014/10/28/3585245/bp-oil-spill-bathtub-ring/
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Jamiet99uk (808 D)
24 Mar 15 UTC
Holy batshit fuck
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/mar/23/california-lawyer-shoot-the-gays-proposal-2016-ballot?CMP=share_btn_fb
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sneakypanda (100 D)
26 Mar 15 UTC
How are countries given out?
I've gotten Austria 4 times in a row in non-private games. Just wondering if there is some method to the madness or if I just have interesting luck.
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Jamiet99uk (808 D)
23 Mar 15 UTC
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Ted Cruz
Apparently this frothing nutjob has announced he is running for President of the USA. What do my US friends think about him? Is he a credible candidate or, as it would seem to me, a raging idiot?
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ssorenn (0 DX)
25 Mar 15 UTC
Food for thought for all those,"Let's raise the minimum wage" people
http://www.wsj.com/articles/michael-saltsman-the-unappetizing-effect-of-minimum-wage-hikes-1427240817
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ssorenn (0 DX)
25 Mar 15 UTC
Cool video about a world that's gone that way of the dodo!!
https://youtu.be/KLHfgiLpjCQ?t=24m

Im in this video, around the 28-29:30 minute mark
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yukonmoose (100 D)
24 Mar 15 UTC
password
why doesn't my password work when I try to join a game?
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