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The webDiplomacy points ruleset is almost perfect, but...

No one should be rewarded for a game that fails to produce a victor. Everyone who bought into a drawn game and didn't leave should receive an even split of the pot. Otherwise you facilitate awful situations like " just kill Austria, then draw" or more intricate draw pacts, which favor anyone who lucked into a difficult-to-kill nation like France.

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Webdip Sponsored Seasonal Game Fest!!!

The mods and I are sponsoring a seasonal game fest starting with this month. Details inside!

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Seasonal Variant Fest: Game 2, gameID=150349

So I know this was mentioned almost a week ago, but I can't find the original thread. We're still waiting on the last player to join this game with less than 24 hours on the clock. Apparently they wanted to join so that it would start on Friday night, well Friday night has been and gone and the game has yet to start...

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Who deserves the most +1s? A Friday-existential crisis

Just +1 this!

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Slow full press wta game

Unfortunately my real life keeps interfering with my diplomacy games. Therefore I am looking for 6 more players who would be willing to play a slow 72hrs/turn game.
Wta, full press, 50-150

, anon preferred

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21 Nov 14 UTC

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Question about hypothetical

Scenario below.

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Conjoined Twins Question

Are my conjoined twin and I allowed to have separate accounts or do we have to share one? And do we have to disclose our status in our games?

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CambridgeWorldDiplomacy

If anyone would like to join a world game, it's called CambridgeWorldDiplomacy. Join in the next ten days.

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Meta Gaming

I got a message from a mod accusing me of meta gaming (even though I have never done so), with a warning that I would be punished if I do not respond in three days. I responded almost immediately, but two days later, still have not yet heard back from the mod. Am I at risk of having my account banned while I wait for the mod to respond? I am at a critical juncture in multiple games right now, so that would be really bad. Thanks to anyone who responds.

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21 Nov 14 UTC

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observable universe

are there any space people around how can explain this to me? because i don't understand it.

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19 Nov 14 UTC
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I'm buying another gun.

Because having two hands and only one gun is remarkably inefficient.

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World Game 12 Hour Phases

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4-8-15-16-23-42 (352

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Confused about defaulting to defend

I'm new to this, and am curious-- under what circumstances does a unit that is programmed to move, support hold, or support move NOT do what it's programmed to do, but rather revert to defending itself?

Help please?

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What really irks me about large people

A public service message from your old pal, YJ.

As above, below.

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Autumn fun-5

Hi mods,

Could you possibly check out England and France in this game? It just feels as though something fishy might be going on atm.

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19 Nov 14 UTC

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New York City as a Tourist

I'm visiting NYC for a couple days over the Thanksgiving Break, and I've got some open space on my itinerary. Aside from hitting up Broadway, where should I go?

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19 Nov 14 UTC

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Would you rather kill or die?

Pretty much what it says on the tin.

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Slow and easy game

http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=150677#gamePanel

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17 Nov 14 UTC
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ISIS Beheading

ISIS Beheaded another American but this time its a muslim medical worker.

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TrPrado (461 )
18 Nov 14 UTC

""Do you have any comments regarding US foreign policy over the past 60 years or are you just going to dismiss what you can't refute?"

Plenty. Our withdrawing totally from Iraq is what allowed the Islamic State to cross the border. Our not supporting the secular rebels in Syria in 2011 is what allowed the Islamic State to gain strength initially." Nice to know you can count to 60.
But no, seriously, everything the US does has led to our own detriment. Action? Weakening of enemy government infrastructures so that terrorists can take control and MAJOR fuel for terrorist propaganda. That's why Al Qaeda was so popular in the Middle East after 9/11, that's why the Taliban was popular in Afghanistan and Pakistan during US airstrikes, and that's a reason why some people still join terrorist organizations. Inaction? Terrorist groups can go into the country and have at least a little more straightforward rise to power. It's hard to win.

More relevant to the specific situation: "Sorry Invictus, in this case, the United States *enabled* the existence of ISIS, and now continues to enable their onslaught. We could have dropped troops into Iraq and ALREADY had every last one of those motherfuckers DEAD. Instead, we fly a few airplanes around and say, "Geeeeee....this is gonna take a long, long time..."" Sources say that the video announcing the death of Peter Kassig and showing his severed head were rushed, and that it was likely due to increased drone activity in the area. It showed landmarks, it didn't include the actual beheading (which the aforementioned sources say might have taken place inside), and it was all in one take, as opposed to the others which all likely were over the course of several takes (they give speeches, they obviously can't use several takes to behead someone "Whoops did it wrong, I'll have to try again to get the beheading right. We need to reattach it."). Citizens of the nearby town (because the people beheading Kassig actually gave the name of the town they were near) said there was increased drone activity.

TL;DR
They may be getting scared because of those planes that are flying around that are getting closer and closer to them.

orathaic (1009 )
18 Nov 14 UTC

Ok, i did some reading, what the fuck is liberalism?

I mean, specifically, do you mean a commitment to humans having specific rights to things like property? Or Classic Liberalism, or maybe Modern Liberalism (all things i've just learned a bit more about, thank you wikipedia) Or do you mean a threat to the Liberal International (perhaps in a similar way to how the 'west' was a threat to the Communist International?) There's a lot of liberalism, with the common basics of freedom of religion, free trade, private property, civil rights, and free, fair elections.

If the arguement you're making is that any threat to liberties anywhere is a threat to them everywhere then you're entirely missing the much more established threats to liberalism which you don't seem to be calling for any bombing campaigns or boots on the ground.

Invictus (240 )
18 Nov 14 UTC

The Islamic State is a threat to liberalism under any definition. It abhors freedom of religion. It acknowledges no civil rights, but rather only what the kangaroo sharia courts say the Koran says on a dispute. It does not even have ideological room for *legislatures*, let alone free and fair elections. It has religious police at least as bad as the ones in Saudi Arabia, and likely far worse, who intimidate and control how people use their private property if it doesn't conform with their particular interpretation of Islam. As for free trade, I honestly have no idea. They could be a bunch of GATTzillas for all I know. Doubtful, though.

The point of all this is to say that these people are opponents of everything we in the West have taken for granted since the Enlightenment. I'm one of these old fashioned types who think those basic values are worth protecting and championing. You're obviously not.

In a sense it's true that a threat to liberties anywhere is a threat to them everywhere. But that's not why I think we need to act against the Islamic State and would not be a blanket mandate I would use to justify intervention wherever liberty was threatened. It is true we cannot be the world's policeman and it's true that some fights, no matter how moral, are simply not in our national interest.

This is not one of them. A death cult rules a wide swath of the Middle East, and is hell-bent of attacking and destroying us and our way of life. We cannot just ignore this problem. It's coming for us. We need to confront it. The real tragedy is that it was allowed to get so bad. History will be harsh on Obama for how he's handled this rolling crisis.

orathaic (1009 )
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'It is true we cannot be the world's policeman and it's true that some fights, no matter how moral, are simply not in our national interest.' - The way i see it; what it comes down to ultimately, is national interest. Not morality or protecting liberalism. Though those are both good things to have on your side.

I suspect that confronting it will make it stronger; though i think it is confrontation with arab/muslims which has made it strong in the first place. So aside from agreeing that it would be great to remove this 'state', I can't say that i know any tactic or strategy which will be effective.

If there is something we disagree on it is merely that.

However you're not calling for anything to be done about Mexican police force murdering protesting teachers? Is that not a huge threat to freedom of speech in the much more local area to the US? Again i'm not sure military force against the Mexican police is a good idea... but if you want to defend liberalism then maybe look a bit closer to home.

Perhaps even Ferguson - though i don't know the initial causes.

Your basic claim seems to be: address all threats to liberalism then test to see which ones are in the national interest to resolve.

But i would claim that US policy is based on: address all issues of national interest.

Which is a fine a fair way to set policy, but is a far cry from your position that liberalism must be protected. (perhaps even at a cost to national interest?)

orathaic (1009 )
18 Nov 14 UTC

As for Obama and history, well I suspect that the entire US will be judged harshly in history; particularily when they're not the victors anymore.

Will Obama be comparable to any particular Roman Emperor during the decline of the Roman Empire?

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18 Nov 14 UTC

Constatine

scagga (1810 )
18 Nov 14 UTC

Hypothetical: Say the USA/coalition somehow directly involved with boots on the ground and eventually wrestles ISIS territory from its current rulers. ISIS goes guerilla. Who do you hand control over to?

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I have yet to see any real evidence that IS is at all interested in attacking the USA. Rather, everything suggests that they want to set up a regional government.

If you oppose that, then fair enough, but don't try baseless fearmongering in an attempt to shore up your position.

Octavious (2701 )
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@ mendax

Are you under the impression that the most ruthless organisation in the Middle East will take the Western airstrikes with good grace, turn the other cheek, and let bygones be bygones? Whilst it may have been the case that they had no immediate desire to inflict their cruelty upon the West before we kicked them in the unmentionables, to think that now seems insanely optimistic.

orathaic (1009 )
18 Nov 14 UTC

Whether they want to inflict their cruelty on the west does not excuse inaction when they are imposing their cruelty on any humans.

That maybe IS isn't a threat to the US today (but is clearly a threat to strategic US interest in Iraq) doesn't mean nothing should be done.

@scagga, i'm sure a local FSA member could be handed power - but power is not something which can be simply handed over; look at Iraq or Afghanistan; those governments are weakened by the preception that they didn't earn their position - it was given to them by the US and without American backing they are seen as weak and easily removed. One more reason you should encourage locals to sort their own shit out.

Jeff Kuta (2066 )
19 Nov 14 UTC

Why doesn't Bashar al-Assad protect his citizens?
Why doesn't Haider al-Abadi protect his citizens?
Why doesn't Ahmet Davutoglu protect his citizens?

TrPrado (461 )
19 Nov 14 UTC

Assad has been criticized with killing his own citizens, so that one could be a tad silly.
al-Abadi is trying, but he does not have enough capability to accomplish something of this magnitude.
Davutoglu is serving self-interest. He's anti-PKK and anti-Syria, so is ISIS. ISIS won't harm any of his citizens that he doesn't want harmed.

Jeff Kuta (2066 )
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This would really be much simpler if Kurdistan were an actual state and not a conglomeration of cultural minorities from separate countries. Democracy is a messy thing. If we got to choose their leaders, I'm sure they'd be more cooperative, or at least more stable. Oh wait, they were...for decades!

orathaic (1009 )
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Would it though? Kurds, Arabs, Persians, and Turks; Sunni, Shia muslims, Christian minorities of all sorts, Jews, Humanists and Atheists.. They would all be equally capable of killing each other regardless of what state they were a part of...

Jeff Kuta (2066 )
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It would be simpler in the respect that there an internationally recognized state can enter into alliances or pacts with other nations and seek military aid. Because the Islamic State is a non-state actor which crosses national boundaries, it muddles the ability to provide assistance to those who need and want help.

My rhetorical questions about why the local leaders aren't protecting their citizens highlight this. They can pass the buck all they want, but I do think a nation of Kurdistan would provide more consistent protection in that area. Syria, Iraq and Turkey have written off their frontiers, but responsible nations wouldn't do that.

orathaic (1009 )
20 Nov 14 UTC

There is a huge area which *could* be kurdistan, including parts of Iraq, Iran, Turkey and Syria. But there is a different huge area which IS controls (only in Iraq and Syria right now) and a bigger area which it claims - ie most of the middle east, including Saudi Arabia, Syria, Iraq, Israel, Palestine, the Lebanon, and probably more...

Syria has no control of it's frontiers because it's government has collapsed.
Iraq has a weak army and government because it is a puppet of the US, and without US troops isn't very effective - they need a leader of their own to come up and provide some leadership, instead of relying on the US for all their military needs.
Turkey (from what i've read) has been protecting it's borders with syria quite carefully; it has a huge army and i think has made incursions into syria in the past 3 years when various factions have crossed the border - though i can't find evidence of that right now, the closest i can find is this: http://www.todayszaman.com/op-ed_in-syria-turkeys-military-options-limited_362317.html

orathaic (1009 )
20 Nov 14 UTC

Ah here we are: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Syrian%E2%80%93Turkish_border_clashes

How can you say Turkey has written off their frontier?

Zach0805 (100 )
20 Nov 14 UTC

Turkey is part of NATO.
They are basically part of this.

Randomizer (722 )
20 Nov 14 UTC

http://online.wsj.com/articles/ancient-prophecies-motivate-islamic-state-militants-1416357441?KEYWORDS=isis+prophecy

The article has ISIS captured a no importance town because there is an ancient prophecy that Islam will defeat foreign powers in that Syria town. So ISIS beheads a US medical worker there to show that the end of days is at hand and Islam will triumph.

This is a religious war so it doesn't need to make sense. ISIS is trying to gain power using claims that it is fulfilling the word of Allah.

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17 Nov 14 UTC

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The Dominator

Tonight, Dominik Hasek will be inducted into the Hall of Fame. Arguably one of the best, or even *the* best, goalie in the history of hockey.

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6 hour phase game

gameID=150689
Modern Diplomacy II, Anonymous players, PPSC.
Starts Wednesday 11/19/14 8:00pm.

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What's the gender ratio here?

I always assume all players are guys, but I wonder if I should. Are there any females on this site? I get the impression there isn't.

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New player

I'm on the site with my friends, and currently playing a game on slow phase, and would like to join an open game. how do i go about it? I noticed all the joinable games are already in progress, is there anyway to join a fresh game?

Thank you

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1 more join it fun you know

gameID=150614 america, Supa fast

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Over-representation on the forum

It seems clear that people called "oscarjd74" are seriously over-represented on this forum. There are around 100% too many of them.

What can we do to address this serious imbalance?

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A statement that everyone can agree on

As somebody who enjoys the frequent debates present on our beloved forum, I propose an experiment to find a statement that we can all agree on. Rules to follow.

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WHATCH THIS gameID=150664

Ongoing live game, incredible!!!
Mods, please, look at this!
gameID=150664

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Fat Men Eat More

In the interest of promoting gender equality, I thought it appropriate to provide equal opportunity to discuss men who are fat.

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Respect the elderly

I believe that the elderly are severly underrepresented on webDip. Obviously this is because the webDip community is too hostile towards the elderly. How can we solve this problem?

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Face To Face Game in Bowling Green, Kentucky

Looking for 6 others who want to have a house game in BG, KY. I know there are plenty of us in the region. Thinking early December? Open to discussions about days and times. Post here if interested!

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