Hamas killed soldiers in time of war. This is much worse than your *defense of the slaughter of children by the IDF*. Only in Chaqa's deranged mind.

In one operation in 1973 in Beirut, Ehud Barak, who went on to become Prime Minister of Israel, dressed up as a woman in order to sneak up on a member of the PLO he had been sent to assassinate.

Israel can have no complaint if such tactics are now being used against them.

Israel is special the rules don't apply to them.

I'm just showing that this conflict isn't strictly "evil" Israel versus "saintly" Palestine/Gaza. Hamas using Israeli uniforms against soldiers means it's completely possible they've used them against civilians to cause Israel to look bad.

You're speculating. You can't accuse someone of being evil just because of a hypothetical scenario that you've invented.

In other news, the UN's main human rights spokesperson has accused Israel of war crimes.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-28437626

Doesn't matter. Palestinians aren't human and Israel is always right, according to Chaqa.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2014/07/22/meanwhile-in-russia-putin-passes-law-against-protests/

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@Jamiet: "You're speculating. You can't accuse someone of being evil just because of a hypothetical scenario that you've invented."

So I can't do what you all do w/r/t Israel? Bit of a double standard.

You're such a lying piece of shit. The law is for violations of procedures for holding rallies, in other word, illegal rallies.

The US has laws and fines against illegal rallies as well, dumbass.

@ Chaqa:

"So I can't do what you all do w/r/t Israel?"

Show me where I have attacked Israel for doing something that only happened in my imagination?

Frankly, people who cry "false flag" are simply admitting that the group they support is doing shit that is so terrible they don't want to own up to it. Let's face is, over 80% of the Israelis killed in this fight have been military folks and proper targets. The corresponding ratio is something like 10% with massive slaughter of civilians. Is it any wonder that the world is outraged?

"In other news, the UN's main human rights spokesperson has accused Israel of war crimes."

Yeah, and it hasn't said boo about Hamas at all, right?

Oh, and there's the curious case of Hamas firing at ISraelis from...

Wafa Hospital.

Israeli shell lands in a hospital--uproar.

Hamas fires at Israelis FROM a hospital, putting civilians in danger?

Pfff...that's OK...Hamas is the plucky underdog here, they can do no wrong!

Last count I heard it was 25 Israeli soldiers and 2 Israeli civilians, with one of those civilians being killed by transporting supplies to Israeli soldiers. Contrast that to Israel who has killed over a hundred children alone.

The Israeli apologists are giving false equivalence a band name.

*bad name

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"Contrast that to Israel who has killed over a hundred children alone."

Which wouldn't happen if Hamas didn't tell families to stay put in the middle of a war zone...because really, what's more important--saving the lives of children, or defying Israel to get macho points from the other terrorist juntas operating in the region?

Clearly the latter--dead kids make GREAT Hamas PR, after all...

@ Putin: Well, Hamas views Israeli children as being guilty because in the future they will be members of the IDF, so I say we should view Palestinian children in the same light. So, those aren't dead kids, threir dead future terrorists.

*they're

" Well, Hamas views Israeli children as being guilty because in the future they will be members of the IDF, so I say we should view Palestinian children in the same light. So, those aren't dead kids, threir dead future terrorists. "

but one side clearly drafts all members into military service and the other doesn't? are you this dense?

"but one side clearly drafts all members into military service and the other doesn't? are you this dense?"

That doesn't justify killing kids! What kind of moral defense is that, "They may fight in the army someday, so let's kill them now, while they're still young and INNOCENT?"

And that's not even getting into how Hamas recruits and exploits the Palestinian youth, which is arguably its own sort of drafting into service...

Really, how do you claim the moral high ground when one of your defenses is killing kids for what they may or may not do 18 years from now?

For someone who argued AGAINST collective punishing...does that not seem just the tad bit hypocritical? It's wrong to punish the Palestinians collectively, but OK to kill Israeli kids collectively for something they may or may not do in the future?

Yes, instead Hamas keeps Palestinian kids broke, hungry and uneducated so they can use them as human explosives. That's so much better.

Don't joke about dead children guys, or you'll be silenced.

^Also, what he said.

...Who's joking? Killing kids? Bad! ...Unless you're Hamas...

...Or are finding a way to pretzel-twist your morals into allowing you to support Hamas...and freedom...while being both anti-Israel-in-Gaza and yet pro-Conquest at the same time (which is it, Putin--you say you want the siege to end, and yet you said Conquest is Peace...so by your logic, shouldn't they hold and maintain the siege until they annex the Strip...something nobody but the most right-wing, xenophobic Israeli answers to the scum of Hamas would want?)

Something trip posted earlier, more or less.

hey finally glad you guys found the courage to dismay at Israeli tactics. Well done, we've made some progress here

I mean, it was really tough getting obi and trip to realize killing civilians was bad no matter the excuse, but it's actually exceptionally easy when you simply flip the sides. Weird!

Well, that wasn't self-serving or ignoring the previous point you made tacitly advocating Hamas' targeting of Israeli children at all...

I was being facetious obi. I don't condone killing children on either side. I made the comment to draw out the kind of responses you made because you're so predictable. Like damn dude.

@ Yang: Tell me your kidding...please.

What Israel should do is flatten a quarter mile of Gaza every day, from the coast to the eastern border, (with the usual warnings of course). I bet the before too long either Hamas would relent, or the Palestinians would turn on them. I know that's harsh, but wars are won by one side beating the other in to submission.

Lets consider the same situation for Hamas. "Drafting/Using" as "soldiers/human shields" does not justify violent action against them. Especially considering they have no say in the matter. Huh.

at least try to be original for once trip

You lost me Yang. I don't really know what you're talking about, and quite honestly, I don't care. Good night.

Your idea was so ridiculous I presumed you were following my lead and being facetious as well. If you were being genuine, well I'd say you'd have a hard time finding supporters for genocide.

Hamas doesn't target Israeli children. Virtually all of the Israeli war dead have been soldiers. But nice apologia for murdering kids, trip. You Israeli apologists are fucking monsters.

Trip needs to get the mapleleaf treatment. That post was sick. At least mapleleaf was kidding.

"Hamas doesn't target Israeli children."

Right. And Russia doesn't jail gays.

Oh, that's right. Of course they don't. Not in Putin Land.

(But, here in the real world...)

I've told been told not to respond to Obi. Obi is abiding by the moderators about as much as Israel abides by truces.

And as Hamas has repeatedly and explicitly said that it considers every Israeli a target...yes. They therefore target Israeli children.

The party's own line flatly contradicts your statement.

But, again, not in Putin land, where War is Peace, Freedom is Slavery, Ignorance is Strength, and Conquest is Good (except, of course, when it's Israel.)

I'm sorry, did pointing out that Hamas' own party line flatly contradicts your statement cross the magical border we've now apparently drawn?

OK--

No one is allowed to point out anyone's errors anymore. Period.

Starting with me--no pointing out when I'm wrong, now...that'd be bad.