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obiwanobiwan (248 D)
08 Nov 13 UTC
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Should Literature Be Useful? (YES. ABSOLUTELY. ...Right?)
http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/books/2013/11/should-literature-be-useful.html I disagree with the degree to which the author of this article praises sheer idleness and imagination in literature--in my mind, that is NOT what makes literature great, at least not on its own. The best authors, far from being simply imaginative, had arguments to make about the human condition OR very real arguments to make on social, psychological, and political policy. Thoughts?
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SantaClausowitz (360 D)
10 Nov 13 UTC
Why can't we get a live game going?
It's really tough recently
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SYnapse (0 D X)
11 Nov 13 UTC
The Law
Ever been in trouble with the law? Been to court?

I've had 2 cases, 1 criminal and 1 civil, both of which I won. You guys?
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flag (0 D X)
03 Nov 13 UTC
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whats the deal
seems like there is a lot of banning going on here whats up with that

never been banned from any other forums but this one is totalitarian in ways hitler and stalin would have dreamed about
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obiwanobiwan (248 D)
08 Nov 13 UTC
NFL Pick 'em: Week 10--The Niners/Bears w/ Reinforcements & the Pack w/o Rodgers!
We start Week 10 tonight with the Redskins and Vikings...but I'll just assume we're all picking the REDSKINS (and now watch the Vikings play spoiler, lol.) Da Bears have Jay Cutler back and will be going up against Suh and the Lions for 1st place in the NFC North, and with Aaron Rodgers gone 4-6 weeks, this could be the Lions' big chance. The Niners get Manningham and Aldon Smith back vs. the Panthers, Bengals/Ravens, Broncos/Chargers, it's Week 10--PICK 'EM!
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Jamiet99uk (836 D)
10 Nov 13 UTC
Masters Round 7 Game 1
We're still waiting for one player to join. Whoever it is, hurry the fuck up.
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Brewmachine (104 D)
11 Nov 13 UTC
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FUCK YOU GUYS
just....fuck you all its a distaction conspiracy and i dont like it but i do im sorry just stop the bitch let porn on forum as well as blankflag /sorry #dont_silence_me
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hootie (100 D)
12 Nov 13 UTC
New Player Question
I'm new to the games. By accident I joined two. One permits me to issue orders, the other does not. Why
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stupidfighter (253 D)
11 Nov 13 UTC
Hi, I'm new!
So I've found out about this awesome game and I'm looking to get into it while I have the free time available in my schedule.
The game rules are petty clear to me, but how do we communicate in-game? Is there a PM system, or do we use e-mail?
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SantaClausowitz (360 D)
11 Nov 13 UTC
Draug is watching us... Draug is watching us...
Due to a little complaint sent to the moderators it is obvious our friend draugnar is not only still around, but cares deeply about forum events.
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hecks (164 D)
08 Nov 13 UTC
Bowie
I don't appreciate David Bowie as much as I think I should, and I feel badly about that, so I'm trying to make today an all-Bowie day at work. So please suggest a Bowie album for me to listen to. What's your favorite Bowie album and why?
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bo_sox48 (5202 D Mod (G))
11 Nov 13 UTC
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Putin
This is your military.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhuzb3WMntc&feature=youtu.be
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redhouse1938 (429 D)
10 Nov 13 UTC
Masculinity
At some point during the day, I reflected on this topic. Not in a "am I masculine" kind of way, but I tried to analyze the subject sort of as a neutral non-male observer. Should a "man" be "masculine"? Can a woman be masculine? Fascinating questions if you ask me.
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Dharmaton (2398 D)
11 Nov 13 UTC
WoTC own Diplo.
www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=ah/prod/diplomacy
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JECE (1322 D)
07 Nov 13 UTC
philcore: "Meethinks" is a reference to Jar Jar Binks, not Shakespearian English
Where on Earth did or do you go to school?

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philcore (317 D (S))
07 Nov 13 UTC
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Wow, first of all, way to bring back an old thread and call me out for it ...

Second: Hamlet: the lady doth protest too much methinks.

Third: Arizona State! "I'm a Sun Devil Jerry!"

Fourth: Jar Jar was the inane creation of a senile old man who once did something good and turned it to shit! How dare you mention me and him in the same sentence!
philcore (317 D (S))
07 Nov 13 UTC
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So uhh JECE, where did YOU go to scholars where the required reading list was Star Wars Ep1, rather than Hamlet?
semck83 (229 D (B))
07 Nov 13 UTC
"Methinks it is like a weasel," Hamlet, Act III, Scene 2.

What are you on about, JECE?
semck83 (229 D (B))
07 Nov 13 UTC
Sorry, philcore, I hadn't refreshed in awhile.
philcore (317 D (S))
07 Nov 13 UTC
Fuck my Autocorrect! Scholars = school
philcore (317 D (S))
07 Nov 13 UTC
No prob semck, glad you had another reference for JECE.

Mine is also act 3, scene 2 when the Queen is watching the play that Hamlet arranged to out her and his stepdad and he asked her what she thought of the portrayal of her by the actress in the play. and she said the line I quoted above.
JECE (1322 D)
07 Nov 13 UTC
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philcore:
First: The thread is on the first page of locked threads and you were talking to me directly in the comments I was referring to.
Second: The sentence structure I used should have tipped you off. The double-'e' in "Meethinks" should have tipped you off too, as the stress in 'methinks' is on hte latter syllable. Picking the first quote that pops up on Google Search when you type 'methinks' as your quote doesn't prove anything to anybody. ;-)
Third: Congratulations.
Fourth: Picking the only substantive content of Wikipedia's article on Jar Jar to comment on doesn't prove much either. ;-)
JECE (1322 D)
07 Nov 13 UTC
as your quote --> as your example
philcore (317 D (S))
07 Nov 13 UTC
So you're just now getting around to answering a Sidenote question on a thread from 3 weeks ago?

Ok, I'll buy that. But coming up with Shakespeare back then and now being accused of googling the word, doesn't really jive. We weren't discussing Shakespeare at the time and I was trying to impress anyone with my knowledge of it. I was having a laugh at gf Autocorrecting Nigee to Niger and implying that he meant nigger. The fact that I associated "methinks" to Shakespeare regardless of how you spelled it (i'm not so good at spelling, even when my phone cooperates) means that I clearly had some frame of reference, doesn't it?

But then to say that I looked up on Wikipedia about jar jar? Whatever the hell Wikipedia has to say about that, if it sounded like I was just repeating it, it just validates my opinion on the topic. Does it really call Lucas a senile old man? I'll have to look that up sometime.

There are many people who try to pretend they know shit that they don't. I assure you I'm not one of them. I know too much shit to try to pretend that I know even more than I do. It would just be obnoxious.
captainmeme (1589 D Mod)
07 Nov 13 UTC
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I'm not sure I ever remember Jar Jar Binks saying meethinks... He says meesa thinks, doesn't he?

I might be wrong here - haven't watched that film in a while.
JECE (1322 D)
07 Nov 13 UTC
"I know too much shit to try to pretend that I know even more than I do. It would just be obnoxious."
Ha ha. That's one of the best juxaposition quotes I've ever seen.
JECE (1322 D)
07 Nov 13 UTC
captainmeme: I can't find a clip. I actually looked before posting in the other thread, ha ha. Draugnar took interest in this thread and started looking too, but couldn't find anything except a quote on IMDB:
http://www.imdb.com/character/ch0000061/quotes
JECE (1322 D)
07 Nov 13 UTC
philcore: My point was that quote comes up as a Wikipedia article as the third result when you type 'methinks' into Google. The previous two results are just Urban Dictionary and Merriam-Webster. So no, you did not need a frame of reference.

captainmeme:
Interestingly enough, that Urban Dictionary article I stumbled into gives me proof that I am not alone in getting that reference. Two of the six definitions reference The Phantom Menace.
JECE (1322 D)
07 Nov 13 UTC
Menace:
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=methinks
semck83 (229 D (B))
07 Nov 13 UTC
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Good grief, JECE, what's wrong with you?
President Eden (2696 D)
07 Nov 13 UTC
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I guess it was naive of me to think that silencing Draugnar would signal the end of categorically absurd pedantry on webDiplomacy.
Octavious (1712 D)
07 Nov 13 UTC
Methinks is just a word, isn't it? I'm certainly not referring to Shakespeare when I use it. It's a slightly more playful way of saying 'I think' and is no more Shakespearean than the word 'I'.
obiwanobiwan (248 D)
07 Nov 13 UTC
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^Well, it would have been more common in Shakespeare's day than ours to hear it used...

It's not as if most writers today write "methinks," and we don't often say it.

That being said, yeah, pretty sure it's just a word...

And while the Bard did invent hundreds of words and phrases, that isn't one of them--

Merriam-Webster says there's a Middle English variant ("me thinketh"...dunno if that pops up in Chaucer anywhere, but that'd fit the time) and an Old English variant ("mē thincth") so yeah...

Unlike eyeball, puppy dog, and, appropriately enough, bloodstained (he WOULD be the one to invent that word, lol) methinks isn't a Shakespeare original and really not a Shakespeare reference so much as an "archaic English words" reference.

Also--

While I haven't watched the movies in years and I've tried to wipe that stain of a character from my mind, pretty sure Jar Jar Binks always said (to my everlasting annoyance) "meesa," so in proper, erm, "Gungan English" it'd be "Meesa thinks JECE isa being a Grammar Nazi...and failing worse than did the movie meesa starred in!"
Octavious (1712 D)
07 Nov 13 UTC
Did most writers in Shakespeare's day use methinks? I genuinely have no idea when it peaked. It's not an uncommon word in my part of the world and certainly wouldn't raise any eyebrows if i used it in regular office conversation.

Still, words that are normal here can often be rare over the pond. I heard the other day that the phrase 'see you anon', which is one of the most common ways of saying goodbye here, is seen as rather pretentious in the States.
obiwanobiwan (248 D)
07 Nov 13 UTC
Yeah...if I said "see you anon," I'd get a response of "What?" or something about IT being Shakespearean...and of course it's not exclusively Shakespearean, but I think that's about as far back as most Americans read or know of in terms of English.

Hence why I have to stop myself punching the blackboard when explaining to clients that Shakespeare is not "Old English"...even though that's as "old" of a form of English as most Americans know, because Jamestown was founded in 1607, and OF COURSE, there was no meaningful history in terms of language, literature, or anything else before the first English settlement in Eventually-To-Be-America. ;)

That being said, I am now totally using "see you anon" for just that effect.

(And I'd again argue, as I have in other threads, a lot of this is due to exceedingly-poor education when it comes to how literature is taught and what literature is taught...literature, among other things, is supposed to help shape your worldview, and if your worldview extends no further back than Shakespeare, Jamestown, and the King James Bible, you're not only going to have a very Anglo-centric/Euro-centric view of history...I honestly think schools try too hard to get kids interested in very recent books while ignoring the classics--recent works can be great, but you can't appreciate them fully without the classics, and you're going to have a headache in college if you're an English major and DON'T know the classics...because sooner or later some professor's going to spring an author like my good buddy T.S. Eliot on you, and THEN you're going to be completely lost because you have no idea who Chaucer, Dante, or any of these other pre-Shakespeare authors are that he's referencing in "The Waste Land.")

But I digress.

As for other writers in Shakespeare's day--

"Methinks" isn't too special a word, I'd probably guess a lot of writers did use it as well...I can see Marlowe or Ben Jonson or Thomases Kyd, Dekker and Middleton (Thomas was apparently quite the name for playwrights in that era!) and so on all using it...no reason why they wouldn't, and it's a nice two-syllable word that would fit nicely into an iambic meter, meTHINKS, unstressed-stressed, so yeah, it probably saw some decent usage.

I can imagine it being used in Milton and the 1600s as well...and those sort of things don't go away overnight...

If I were to guess offhand I'd say that Austen's period--Late Enlightenment/Early Romantic--was around the time it started to become less commonplace in literature...I can't picture an Austen character really using that term, so either it became less widely used then or it was no longer a term that'd fit in "heightened speech" or literature dealing with the gentry and upper classes, since that's what Austen writes about (that and gossipy romance plots that end in marriage and simultaneously intrigue and irritate me--marriage does NOT equal happily ever after every single time, hell, Shakespeare and even Chaucer's Wife of Bath were more cynical and frankly realistic about that!--but I, again, digress.) :)
krellin (80 D X)
07 Nov 13 UTC
Wow....can we just get back to the porn links?
abgemacht (1076 D (G))
07 Nov 13 UTC
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Threads like this are why I come to webDip.
krellin (80 D X)
07 Nov 13 UTC
By "threads like this" abge is, of course, referring to the aforementioned porn links...
JECE (1322 D)
07 Nov 13 UTC
Octavious and obiwanobiwan: You're basically repeating what bugged me about philcore's comments. I didn't see why methinks = pretenciousness/Shakespeare. I was using the word in quite the opposite manner.
Celticfox (100 D (B))
07 Nov 13 UTC
I was wondering when Obi was going to jump into this thread.
JECE (1322 D)
07 Nov 13 UTC
methinks/meethinks
spyman (424 D (G))
07 Nov 13 UTC
Methinks this is weird thread. Most people say methinks when they are pretending to talk like Shakespeare. I had no idea that Jar Jar Binks says it too. (Is that what this thread is about? Who do you think of when you hear the word "methinks "?)
spyman (424 D (G))
07 Nov 13 UTC
“Threads like this are why I come to webDip"

Lol. Likewise. Only on webdip.
JECE (1322 D)
07 Nov 13 UTC
spyman: Yes, that's just about it. Or more specifically whether the specific sentences in which I used "Meethinks" [sic] in the linked thread were more reminiscent of Jar Jar Binks or Shakespeare.
spyman (424 D (G))
07 Nov 13 UTC
I see. I guess you might pick that up if you really knew your Star Wars references. It's been a long time since I have seen those films. I really only enjoyed the original trilogy. Phantom Menace was just okay (but still a disappointment), but the second prequel I found so boring I turned it off. I have never seen the third prequel.
philcore (317 D (S))
08 Nov 13 UTC
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@jece in the other old thread you posted about draug's previous threat to leave and even asking ghost to ban him, there was a Sidenote I noticed where you asked if "my 2 cents" was an idiom?

Are you not from an English speaking country? Because that would make sense not only with the "my 2 cents" comment but also not knowing the hamlet reference. It is a very common quote, although usually backwards "methinks the lady doth protest too much". It's one of maybe 3 Shakespeare quotes that everyone in the English speaking world has heard from pop references, along with "a rose by any other name ... " and "to be or not to be". 20 years ago when I read hamlet, I already knew the quote so well backwards, that when I read it the right way, it sounded odd to me. Jar jar and SWep1 on the other hand, was such an embarrassment that it would only register in peoples' minds if they had just watched it.
tendmote (100 D (B))
08 Nov 13 UTC
diplomacy a game of binksmanship
spyman (424 D (G))
08 Nov 13 UTC
I think JECE is from Argentina.

Yes Philcore is right about "methinks". English speakers say it, usually in a joking way.
philcore (317 D (S))
08 Nov 13 UTC
That would explain it. @jece if you are from Argentina, I tale back all the condescending thoughts I had about you and offer this:

Santa Santa Evita, Madre de todos los ninos, De los tiranizados, de los descamisados De los trabajadores, de la Argentina
semck83 (229 D (B))
08 Nov 13 UTC
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@JECE,

If you're from Argentina, it's probably best not to mock native speakers for their English usage and ask them where they went to school, in future.
spyman (424 D (G))
08 Nov 13 UTC
I think JECE was joking. I think he might have been making fun of philcore's lack of Star Wars knowledge (nobody studies "Star Wars" at school). This is known also as "nerd humour" which is okay because this is a pretty nerdy site.
NigeeBaby (100 D (G))
08 Nov 13 UTC
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Spyman who are you calling a nerd, you're asking for a right old punch up the crumpet
spyman (424 D (G))
08 Nov 13 UTC
Not you NigeeBaby, of course, you are the "Joe Cool" of this website.
spyman (424 D (G))
08 Nov 13 UTC
... please don't punch me up the crumpet.
philcore (317 D (S))
08 Nov 13 UTC
Doesn't "punch me in the crumpet" belong on the pens thread? Sure sounds like a double entendre (pardon my French) to me.
NigeeBaby (100 D (G))
08 Nov 13 UTC
I must say I do love a good thread about pens, don't care what colour they are ......
philcore (317 D (S))
08 Nov 13 UTC
You love you some big black pens!

They're the only ones acceptable for legal docs, after all.
philcore (317 D (S))
08 Nov 13 UTC
Don't you have a pitch to sod? (Speaking of triple entendres)
NigeeBaby (100 D (G))
08 Nov 13 UTC
I do love a big black pen in my hand, and when I squeeze the top with my thumb I make it slightly bigger and I can use it until it has shot its last bit of ink all over my pages
NigeeBaby (100 D (G))
08 Nov 13 UTC
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Ooh how I wish I had a pitch to sod right now ...... I'd give it a good drenching !!
JECE (1322 D)
10 Nov 13 UTC
philcore/spyman/semck83: I am half Spanish and half Argentine. I was born in Madrid. Spanish is technically my first language.

Yet I am also a dual-Spanish–U. S. citizen. I have studied in the U. S. education system since 2nd Grade, and before that was in the British system. I lived in Cincinnati 9 out of the first 18 years of my life and am now in my fourth year at a Connecticut university without having studied abroad. I'm certainly a native speaker of English.

But pop references don't tend to catch my eye. And the fact that I have switched schools so much means that I easily could have missed Hamlet even if it was part of several of my school's standard curriculums. I have studied other works from the overrated man (or non-entity, as some prefer to consider the author,) in school. As for idioms, I just haven't been around people who use very many of them, even if those people themselves are familiar with the meanings. It has always seemed to me that idioms are far less common than they used to be. And yes, I know what '2 cents' means now and use a few other idioms on a regular basis (e. g., 'out of the blue').


tendmote: Ha ha, it took me a while to catch that. Nice one!


spyman: I was joking too when I wrote "Meethinks", ha ha. philcore didn't get that, so that's why I had reason to post this thread. And yes, I'm definitely kidding around by posting and replying to this thread. ;-)


philcore: I didn't realize how old the Phantom Menace already was. So maybe the reference just went over your lower-case head.
philcore (317 D (S))
10 Nov 13 UTC
Or it was a mistaken reference. I believe its been pointed out that jar jar never even said "meethinks". He said "messa thinks"

And why is my head lower case? I don't understand that idiom.
JECE (1322 D)
10 Nov 13 UTC
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No, as I mentioned, I'm clearly not alone in getting that reference:
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=methinks

"And why is my head lower case?"
My response: philcore
"See you anon" is an old Jawa saying.


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Jamiet99uk (836 D)
03 Nov 13 UTC
First game
A Sunday afternoon trip down memory lane...
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ILN (100 D)
03 Nov 13 UTC
niggers
Basically,
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krellin (80 D X)
11 Nov 13 UTC
Decline of Civilization
http://www.spike.com/shows/1000-ways-to-die

We are too comfortable, life is to easy, if we have people with time to make this...and make money off this. UNLESS Putin starts in episode 3...then I might be OK with this...
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Jamiet99uk (836 D)
10 Nov 13 UTC
Samsung pays $1bn to Apple.... in small change
http://news-hound.net/samsung-pays-apple-1-billion-sending-30-trucks-full-of-5-cent-coins/
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Draugnar (0 D X)
05 Nov 13 UTC
This is not an apology or a goodbye. This is a statement.
I grow weary of the shit here in the forum. My health is failing and I am trying to go to school. So after this post, I am asking goldfinger to silence me for a period of no less than 1 year. I'll use the time to finish my games and do schoolwork.
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hecks (164 D)
08 Nov 13 UTC
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Goats: Nature's Badasses
http://www.trueactivist.com/13-pictures-of-crazy-goats-on-cliffs/

Goats: putting rock climbers to shame since forever.
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DC35 (0 D X)
31 Oct 13 UTC
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Dicks
Penis
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Jamiet99uk (836 D)
04 Oct 13 UTC
RIP Vo Nguyen Giap
Those of us interested in military history and strategy should note the death today of one of the 20th Century's great generals.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-24402278
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Al Swearengen (0 D X)
05 Nov 13 UTC
Six Myths about Drone Warfare you Probably Believe
http://www.cracked.com/article_20725_6-myths-about-drone-warfare-you-probably-believe.html
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Chaqa (4231 D (B))
09 Nov 13 UTC
Party room
For those late night games when people are dicks.

Here's to us!
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ILN (100 D)
09 Nov 13 UTC
Guy faked being black to win election
Genius in action: http://www.khou.com/news/local/White-guy-wins-after-leading-voters-to-believe-hes-black-231222981.html
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Yellowjacket (835 D (B))
09 Nov 13 UTC
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Glory to Arstotzka
Your face, it is different.
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NigeeBaby (100 D (G))
08 Nov 13 UTC
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Bubble ...... what bubble !!
When a company that has never made a profit floats on Wall Street and rises 73% on its first day of trading and the company is valued at US$31bn you know capitalism is fucked.
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Dharmaton (2398 D)
09 Nov 13 UTC
Cpt. Kirk rides his ship
railguns anyone?
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ILN (100 D)
08 Nov 13 UTC
Absurd
The wonders of government efficiency - The cost to build a street: http://cdn.thegridto.com/wp-content/uploads/527a85e0c67b1-DPS.jpg
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