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krellin (80 DX)
12 Oct 16 UTC
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No Such Thing as Racism
http://www.msn.com/en-us/music/news/lil-wayne-stands-by-his-no-such-thing-as-racism-comment/ar-AAiS5PL?li=BBnb7Kz

Need more REAL men like this in the world. Thoughts on Lil Wayne?
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Jamiet99uk (865 D)
12 Oct 16 UTC
Live Games - process delay
I've recently played a live game for the first time in a few months, and I'm finding that the timer counts down to "Now", but then it actually takes 30-40 seconds to process the orders. This means people are able to enter or change orders *after* the phase should have ended.
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cstamm (0 DX)
06 Oct 16 UTC
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Political Views
The campaigns of Clinton and Trump have been running for a little over a year now and political tensions have been running high in the United States. As someone who's relatively new to this site, I couldn't help but wonder whether webdiplomacy players tend to be more liberal or conservative.
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orathaic (1009 D(B))
08 Oct 16 UTC
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@TrPrado, far less lunatic, though the means of indoctrination are clearly faulty... and the same can be said of right-wing propaganda and indoctrination.

It just so happen that i've heard people describing 'cultural marxism' before, and they're clearly nuts. They believe that there is a secret 'homosexual agenda', that feminism is out to destroy the family, and a variety of other things making up the theory...

When it makes much more sense to me, that these 'activisms' (along with environmentalism and anti-colonialism) are reactions to the corporate capitalism - which is the main power structure seeking to exploit people in the 'west'. When you oppress people they react by fighting back. And it is the freedom of speech, vital to western liberalism, which protects feminists, lgbt activists, environmentalists and atheists from reprisals once used by the 'powers that be'.

Instead propaganda must now be used against them, and 'cultural marxism' is one of the craziest ideas i've come across.

There is no conspiracy of jewish intellectuals attempting to undermine western liberalism. No cultural marxism. There is a liberal ideology which embraces freedom of speech, and has allowed great cultural change in a way which could never have happen in less free societies.

It may at times undermine the family, and the church, and if you believe these are fundamental to western society then i can see how you would feel liberalism is a threat. But i do not agree. In fact the mainstream has managed to absorb LGBT activism and de-radicalise it - the acceptance of 'gay marriage' actually hurts the aims of radical queers and promotes the family values of traditional conservationism.

I think it was one of David Cameron's smartest moves, when he decided he'd rather have members of the LGBT movement inside the tent pissing out, rather than outside pissing in... (at least in the UK, i'm sure it is a different issue in the US, and the Ireland I live in voted 2-to-1 to 'make grá the law' which was a fairly decent job of passing responsibility to the people in a stunning example of political cowardice...)

Now i hope that is a comprehensive alternative description. And i hope it is consistent internally and with reality.

I have yet to hear a definition of cultural marxism from anyone other than my own links. (here is another if you have over an hour: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VggFao85vTs )

and http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/cultural-marxism
principians (881 D)
08 Oct 16 UTC
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OP: some trumpists here might say I'm 'leftist' but that does not mean much really. I don't identify myself as 'conservative' nor 'liberal'. I've never really cared about Marx. I like the fact that in Cuba there's not a single hungry kid, nor a single adult that can't read and write, but I wouldn't take Cuba as a political model. I admire the social politics that led Scandinavian countries to their current situation, but I don't know and don't care how much of it is due to marxism.

The only marxist thing I'd take is simply: economic redistribution. But I think it must come together with efficiency. I'm also a big fan of democracy, but not the 'democratic' farse that most modern countries are used to, in which you only make a tiny fraction of a decision every 4 years or so.

I'm also a big fan of science, and the biggest threat I see in trumpism is its denialism. And I tend to think that 'freedom' is one of the most prostituted term in our society.
KingCyrus (511 D)
08 Oct 16 UTC
@Ora,

Yeah, I agree. I couldn't find anything conclusive other than one book and a bunch of people either saying it was crap or it was good.
ND (879 D)
08 Oct 16 UTC
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“The academic influence of the “critical” method is far reaching in terms of educational institutions in which such tradition is taught and in terms of the problems it addresses. Some of its core issues involve the critique of modernities and of capitalist society, the definition of social emancipation and the perceived pathologies of society.”

The Frankfurt school’s driving focus was to apply critical theory through the dialectical method (coined by Hegel and later appropriated by Marx). It was not designed to critique the Soviet Union or (socialism) as Orathaic mentioned. It’s primary and almost sole purpose was to critique the culture of the United States in the 1940s and 1950s. It was not a revolutionary movement in the sense that it sought to violently overthrow capitalism, but simply a revolutionary academic and intellectual movement. It was born out of the 1918 November revolution in Germany following the end of Imperialist Germany and continued through Weimar until the Frankfurt School was forced into exile.

Labeling someone a “conspiracy theorist on the lunatic fringe” is funny, but not accurate at all. I know there are people on the internet that state that anyone who uses the term is a fringe person. It’s not accurate.

As we can see from the quote the goal of the Frankfurt School was to critique capitalism and examine the pathologies of society while achieving social emancipation. Thus the vast majority of causes and issues we see today about social justice, etc stem from the work that the Frankfurt School laid out. Their mission was to critique capitalist society through critical theory and then apply solutions through praxis (putting something into action).

Critical theory and praxis are tenets of Marxism. The Frankfurt School sought not to explain the material conditions of society like Marx, but to examine culture and society. Hence the term “cultural Marxism” because they examined culture through a Marxist worldview.

Orathaic mentioned something about, “there is no conspiracy of jewish intellectuals attempting to undermine western liberalism.” This is a pretty strange and unprovoked point to bring up. I never mentioned anyone’s religion in the Frankfurt School so I would like Orathaic to elaborate on what he stated here.

The school, most definitely, looked at social issues and sought to ‘emancipate’ the citizenry by analyzing, critically, the faults of capitalistic societies (primarily the U.S. but also Nazi Germany during the 1940s). They came to recognize that there would be no final conflict between Karl Marx’s proletariat and bourgeois. They sought to adapt Marx for the 20th century through critical theory and cultural/societal analysis.

Thus, many of the social issues that have become wedge issues in the United States (and abroad) including political correctness, among other things, were coined, discussed, and mainstreamed originally by the Frankfurt School. The school was not a driving influence past the 1950s, but they laid the ground work for these issues that would be picked up by other intellectuals and theorists that continued to build upon what they did.

Many of the Social Issues that divide people today can be directly traced back to their work with critical theory, the dialectical method, and praxis. Their overarching aim was most definitely the dissolution of capitalism, free markets, and traditional aspects to society.

Some may say this is all well and fine and good and my purpose is not to refute that notion. My purpose is to explain the term, the school, and what it sought to do. My purpose is also to identify people who subscribe to these cultural Marxist tenets so they can understand the genesis of their philosophy as it is rooted in Marxism. If that is what you believe then all well and fine, but at least you will know what you believe in now.


Sources:
https://www.marxists.org/subject/frankfurt-school/
http://www.iep.utm.edu/frankfur/
JamesYanik (548 D)
08 Oct 16 UTC
Also on the topic of Gay Weddings:

whether or not they WERE allowed, if they deem that their current religious beliefs say that there should only be marriage between a man and a woman, then that should be their right in the eyes of the law

(assuming the government does fully secularize)
orathaic (1009 D(B))
08 Oct 16 UTC
First, i'd like to thank ND, without whom i would never have learned much of the below, my research on this topic has confirmed that many of the initial assumptions i came to on my own are pretty mainstream, but also added details i was not aware of. (And you can call the confirmation bias where you see it)

So the claim that people make is that using the term 'cultural marxism' to describe critical theory, is a type of guilt by association. Attempting to say 'oh this is like communism, and therefore bad' - a number of marxists criticised the frankfurt school for not being marxist enough, and the term was used to denigrate them, while also 'bringin marx back ino the social sciences'.

The term largely fell out of us, but a similar term was used by the nazis 'cultural bolshekism' to criticise certain schools of thought, and it labeled them a jewish conspiracy.

Then in the 90s the term returned, used by a group of people (like Pat Buchannon, who sounds like a lunatic) and was used to criticise things they didn't like. (I linked a decent over hour long youtube documentary in which Pat Bucannon, among other speaks about it, so you can listen and judge for yourself) it was taken up, in more recent years by linatic right-wing internet forums (see the knowyourmeme link above) and this has some fringe use online among violent misogynistic 'conservatives' who think it is funny to call in swat teams while people are playing (and streaming) computer games just to watch them die...

The academic use of the term cultural marxism fell out of use a long time ago. Thus we hve the modern use. And yes, it remains on the lunatic fringe. The Frankfurt school wasn't particulaily marxist, and i continue to contend that the tesulting social movements in the 60s and onward are inspired more by the ideal of the french revolution (and the american declaration if independence) and are in no way 'un-American'. The term is used specifically to demonise this school of thought by associating it with Marx, rather than addressing the content of what it says, and thus is disengenious at best.
Jamiet99uk (865 D)
08 Oct 16 UTC
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Thank you ND for elaborating on your view of the concept of cultural marxism.

I am thus happy to declare that I am *not* a cultural marxist. Unlike the cultural marxists in your definition, I DO believe in a revolution which will sweep away the current political and corporate powers and establish a radical new form of state.
TrPrado (461 D)
08 Oct 16 UTC
"violent misogynistic 'conservatives' who think it is funny to call in swat teams while people are playing (and streaming) computer games just to watch them die..."
I'd heard of the practice, but do you have anything to back up that it's violent and misogynistic conservatives that do it?
leon1122 (190 D)
08 Oct 16 UTC
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Err... the vast majority of video game players that were visited by swat were males, so misogyny doesn't seem to apply here.
leon1122 (190 D)
08 Oct 16 UTC
"First, i'd like to thank ND, without whom i would never have learned much of the below, my research on this topic has confirmed that many of the initial assumptions i came to on my own are pretty mainstream"

Look at that, you just confirmed mainstream media's liberal bias.
leon1122 (190 D)
08 Oct 16 UTC
"They believe that there is a secret 'homosexual agenda', that feminism is out to destroy the family"

If you believe those views are limited to a few nuts, you're obviously sheltered from anything other than rabidly left-wing views.
Durga (3609 D)
08 Oct 16 UTC
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When you don't know how to address something, simply chalk it up to be liberal media bias! Not only will that completely destroy the opposition, it will also get you right wing brownie points. Win/win!
orathaic (1009 D(B))
08 Oct 16 UTC
@Leon "Err... the vast majority of video game players that were visited by swat were males, so misogyny doesn't seem to apply here."

When you bully all the female out of your community, you only have males left to bully. But yes, i will admit, swatting male gamers is not what makes them misogynistic.

@TrPadro you said: "do you have anything to back up that it's violent and misogynistic conservatives that do it?"

No, i don't spend a lot of my time in these communities, but i'm fairly sure there are Trump supporters, so maybe not really that conservative, maybe more fascist, amongst the gamergate misogynists...

@Leon "If you believe those views are limited to a few nuts, you're obviously sheltered from anything other than rabidly left-wing views."

Oh, i know that view is more mainstream. But it is fairly nutty... Though i believe i have stated rather plainly, the movement started by Radical Queer Revolutionaries in the 60s/70s has changed. Conservative LGBT people who would once have been completely closeted are now fighting for the right to marry. So the movement is being accepted by the mainstream because it is far less radical than it once was.

I'm sure some similar issue inside feminism where is has succeeded.
TrPrado (461 D)
08 Oct 16 UTC
Ora:
Where are you getting that they're conservative or fascist? To my knowledge they don't spend much time espousing ideologies and instead remain anonymous because of how incredibly illegal their actions are.
orathaic (1009 D(B))
08 Oct 16 UTC
What do you think they hang out and post crap?
JamesYanik (548 D)
08 Oct 16 UTC
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@orathaic

one thing i'll say with gaming: there are 3 main groups

1. People who just want to play, and don't get there feelings hurt when 13 years old don't like them (SHOCKING!)

2. Trolls. Stereotyped at 13 year olds. Will say and do anything and everything. Should not affect your feelings.

3. Butt-hurt people. One wrong word and they are triggered.




people would have you believe "only women are oppressed in PC and console gaming" but that's BULLSHIT. I get trolled everytime I play games, but it's very simple I DON'T WHINE AND COMPLAIN.

"oh but they're saying nasty things about women"

I have been called:
WARNING EXTREME PROFANITY LOOK AWAY NOW IF YOU DON'T WISH TO BE EXPOSED

Asshole
Bitch.
Fag.
Jew.
Faggot.
Whore.
Jew whore.
A gay little faggot
A little bitch who gets fucked by his mom
A dickless fucking bitch
A gay bitch
That I need to go back to the gas chambers with the rest of my Jew family(I'm not even jewish???)


So I hate it when these feminists whine. Toughen up. We all have to deal with these trolls.
TrPrado (461 D)
08 Oct 16 UTC
Do you have evidence about the ideology of people who do this? What makes you think it's the same people who did Gamergate?
orathaic (1009 D(B))
08 Oct 16 UTC
The stereotyping of people who use specific anonymous forums. Go look in these places, and see what you can find.
JamesYanik (548 D)
08 Oct 16 UTC
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The original Gamergate scandal:

Anita Sarkeesian accused them of sexism, to which many of their trolls responded by calling her every name in the book, and I think one of them said she had sex with a farm animal or something

Zoe Quinn

made up lies about being stalked, and did just as much harassing.
JamesYanik (548 D)
08 Oct 16 UTC
@orathaic

"When you bully all the female out of your community, you only have males left to bully. But yes, i will admit, swatting male gamers is not what makes them misogynistic. "

that is the comment i am responding too
Chaqa (3971 D(B))
08 Oct 16 UTC
What are you guys on about with Gamergate? It's about ethics in video game reviews/journalism, not sexism.
Valis2501 (2850 D(G))
08 Oct 16 UTC
That's so untrue it's a meme, but knowing you I think you're being serious
Chaqa (3971 D(B))
08 Oct 16 UTC
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I haven't followed it for awhile, but I remember he big story at the beginning was a game developer was dating a game journalist and the journalist put up some unrealistically positive reviews about the developers game. I know there's been some controversy since then but I always chalked it up to overreaction
VashtaNeurotic (2394 D)
08 Oct 16 UTC
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Oh boy Chaqa. You literally only know about the spark. Not the flame war that followed
Chaqa (3971 D(B))
08 Oct 16 UTC
Like I said, I never kept up. I think Anita Sarkeesian got involved, to the detriment of everyone.
leon1122 (190 D)
08 Oct 16 UTC
She got called names on the Internet... boo hoo. Everyone gets called names on the Internet.
leon1122 (190 D)
08 Oct 16 UTC
She also happened to like sabotaging charity events helping female gamers.
Durga (3609 D)
08 Oct 16 UTC
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Death threats, rape threats, people finding her information to harass her... Yeah.. "called names on the Internet"
brainbomb (290 D)
08 Oct 16 UTC
John McCain has revoked his endorsement of Trump.
Leon...are you aware of what doxxing is?

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dirge (768 D(B))
08 Oct 16 UTC
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scoring explanation
Can we take another look at our names for the scoring options?
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Deinodon (379 D(B))
11 Oct 16 UTC
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Game Titles
As I peruse other people's games, I've often been amused by game titles. It's a shame we can't see who the clever title authors are. It may not be wise during the game, but it would be cool if it were displayed after the game was over.
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orathaic (1009 D(B))
11 Oct 16 UTC
Shit Feminists say...
"'Slut' is attacking women for their right to say yes. 'Friend Zone' is attacking women for their right to say no." - Discuss
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marze1992 (298 D)
11 Oct 16 UTC
Join new live game late night diolomacy
Join join join let s play!
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Valis2501 (2850 D(G))
07 Oct 16 UTC
Bay Area Diplomacy
Whipping Returns
Downtown San Jose, CA
April 1-2, 2017
[email protected]
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brainbomb (290 D)
11 Oct 16 UTC
At a loss for words
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=183821
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marze1992 (298 D)
11 Oct 16 UTC
JOIN NEWWWWWW GAMEEEES
JOIN NEW GAME annibale o scipione!!! An epic battle in the Ancient Mediterraneous
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marze1992 (298 D)
11 Oct 16 UTC
JOIN SI VIS PACEM PARA BELLUM
COME ON!!! Join new live game!
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marze1992 (298 D)
08 Oct 16 UTC
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JOIN NEWWWWWW GAMEEEES
JOIN NEWWWWWW GAMEEEES
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orathaic (1009 D(B))
10 Oct 16 UTC
Daily show on Gitmo
https://youtu.be/KEbFtMgGhPY
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peterlund (1310 D(G))
04 Oct 16 UTC
The reputation of the USA in the world
You know guys I am worried...
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brainbomb (290 D)
09 Oct 16 UTC
For Trunk Supporters
Justify this video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4ly4h9aCfo
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brainbomb (290 D)
08 Oct 16 UTC
How could Trump even win at this point?
Someone present a hypothetical scenario where fuckwad Trump could actually win?
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Jamiet99uk (865 D)
09 Oct 16 UTC
Clinton vs Trump - who would win?
With the US election looming, I'm surprised we haven't had more threads discussing this important issue.
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Lethologica (203 D)
08 Oct 16 UTC
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October Surprise!
SHOCKING new excerpts from Clinton's paid speeches released by Wikileaks reveal that Hillary's...just as boring a speechmaker in private paid speeches as in public ones, I guess?

https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/56dyvg/wikileaks_appears_to_release_hillary_clintons/
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Hannibal76 (100 D(B))
07 Oct 16 UTC
Why do I still have questions?
Every once in a while I ask a question that I always feel I should know the answer to.
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Halls of Mandos (1019 D)
07 Oct 16 UTC
Feast of Our Lady of the Rosary
Today we celebrate the miraculous victory of Catholic Europe over the invading Turks at the Battle of Lepanto.
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brainbomb (290 D)
06 Oct 16 UTC
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Save the Bees
http://www.greenpeace.org/usa/sustainable-agriculture/save-the-bees/
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captainmeme (1723 DMod)
02 Sep 16 UTC
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New Online Diplomacy Podcast!
Some friends of mine from vDip - The Ambassador and Kaner406 - have started up a Diplomacy Podcast focused on the online scene. You can find it here: http://diplomacygames.com/

It's also on iTunes, Overtune and Stitcher (search 'Diplomacy Games'), and should be on Google Play but hasn't appeared there yet for some reason.
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Pimp_Magician (5 DX)
05 Oct 16 UTC
Roleplay
Would there be any interest in a role play game of Dip?
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brainbomb (290 D)
04 Oct 16 UTC
Mitch McConnell blames Obama
http://crooksandliars.com/2016/09/mitch-mcconnell-paul-ryan-forget-how-run
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delarosa (232 D)
06 Oct 16 UTC
suspicious of multi
Hi admin, could you please check for multi in the game- http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=182721 ; ID#182721
its suspicious as they expended really weirdly.

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taos (281 D)
06 Oct 16 UTC
where do i need to post a missfunction?
When i enter orders from my android ,the bottom order always does not let the option for the next .
It is a minor issue but why not fix it.
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brainbomb (290 D)
05 Oct 16 UTC
Voting for third party candidates- the height of white male privilege.
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/formerlyfundie/im-a-privileged-white-guy-so-im-giving-away-my-vote-this-election/
H
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KingCyrus (511 D)
05 Oct 16 UTC
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Fix the USA
(or any other country)
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akshu0919 (286 D)
06 Oct 16 UTC
Nightime Gunboats
Gunboat game starting in 30 minutes. Can we please get 7 people to join?
URL: http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=183662
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brainbomb (290 D)
07 Sep 16 UTC
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Dakota Access Pipeline Must be Stopped
https://www.google.com/amp/www.ecowatch.com/sacred-burial-grounds-dakota-access-pipeline-1998932006.amp.html
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