"all technology ends up for the common good"
Cases in point: nuclear weapons, land mines, cluster bombs, suicide vests, weaponized anthrax, tasers, msg, deep sea drilling, drag nets...

tasers, yes, sea drilling, yes, bombs, yes,for defense, msg?

MSG - mono-sodium glutamate - a chemical food additive that is bad for your health (used only as a well known example of such a thing)

Anyway, as long as some people hate other people, there will always be deadly weapons.

"3) God can be half-proven by logic"

What the hell is half-proof when it's at home?

So, If it can be half-proven by logic, then it can also be half-disproven?
TGM +1

How can you use the term "half proven" and logic in the same sentence? Either something is proven or it's not. Kind of like being half pregnant.

Disgusting, only the bottom half comes out during birth, disgusting.

Thank you killer, nightmares for me tonight :)

@Everyone: By half-proven, I mean that I can prove God exists as long as the universe is real and not some dream of mine. But I can't prove that the universe is not a dream of mine, so I've half-proven God. (Near-proven probably would have been been better to say)

What?? Ok, I want to hear this reasoning. Assume that the universe is real, and now prove to me that god exists.

How would the matter the universe is made of have been created without a God? It couldn't, because that would be violating the laws of physics, and it can't do that on it's own, it needs God to do it. Well who created God, if he created the universe, you ask? God couldn't be created because there was no time before the universe began (as time is a dimension of the universe), and creation needs cause and effect, which requires time. So God was just the only thing to exist before the universe. (I say before for a lack of a better word)
What about the multiverse theory, you ask? Well I say, what about occam's razor? One universe with God is much simpler and has much less assumptions than infinite universes.
So, assuming the universe exists, I have proven God.

False. All that you have proven is that you don't know how the universe was created. Do you think that everything that you don't understand is caused by God? Years ago people probably though that rainbows were caused by God too, but then science caught up and we found out how rainbows are created. (not the best example but first thing I could come up with)

No, what you're saying it's false. Are you arguing that it is possible for the universe to violate it's own laws of physics by creating itself, without something helping it?

Yes, that is exactly what I am saying. We don't understand how the universe was created, but that does not mean we should jump to the conclusion that it was God. It is a strong argument, but to say that if the universe is real, the existence of God can be proven is simply wrong. Have you ever done proofs before in your math/logic classes?

Yes. The external laws governing the creation of the universe could be different than the internal laws formed after creation.

Well, we could say that the cause for the universe to come about being is called God. God being the name.

Even were we to accept this 'proof', all it proves is that the universe had a creator. It does not say anything about the creator, whether he would intervene in the universe (which, given the laws of the universe, seems unlikely) and CERTAINLY gives no demonstrable proof for the Christian deity you profess to follow.

So... it's fools errand anyway, yo. :)

We could also call the explosive force that crated the universe Fart.

How is it that people know the big bang happend anyway?

What is the science and proof behind it?

"How would the matter the universe is made of have been created without a God? It couldn't, because that would be violating the laws of physics, and it can't do that on it's own, it needs God to do it. Well who created God, if he created the universe, you ask? God couldn't be created because there was no time before the universe began (as time is a dimension of the universe), and creation needs cause and effect, which requires time. So God was just the only thing to exist before the universe. (I say before for a lack of a better word)
What about the multiverse theory, you ask? Well I say, what about occam's razor? One universe with God is much simpler and has much less assumptions than infinite universes.
So, assuming the universe exists, I have proven God."
Okay, brief list of flaws:
1. Appeal to ignorance- just because we don’t know the cause doesn’t mean that your explanation is right.
2. Damning the alternatives- similarly, just because you aren’t satisfied by the “it always existed” possibility doesn’t mean that your explanation must be correct.
3. Fallacy of Composition- you assume that the universe as a must have a cause, on the basis that the matter inside it must have had a cause.
4. Unjustified assumption- there can be no infinite regression of causes
5. Conclusion which denies premises- Nothing can be created outside time, but God created the universe. Time only exists within the universe, so god clearly created outside time.
6. Apples and Oranges- your comparison of the simplicity of many universes as opposed to a God is bogus. You might as well see a sand dune and say, “there must be a massive marble in there holding it up, because that is far simpler than saying that there are millions and millions of sand grains”

I’m sure in my quick look at this, I have missed a number of fallacies. Apologies.

Oh, 7. Your conclusion is excessive for the premises- You don't need to have an (omnipotent by definition) God to create the universe, you could have just a "fairly powerful" being

@Ghost: 1. Okay, then give just an idea of what else could have causes the universe. It doesn't have to be an explanation or a scientific theory, just a general posibility of what else could have cause the universe.
2. What do you mean by that?
3. That makes no sense. The matter is what makes up the universe. In fact, I could say: How did the matter that makes up the universe get here by itself?
4. When did I ever mention an infinite regression of causes? I explained why God couldn't have been created.
5. Time began at the moment God created the universe. The creation of the universe was contained within the first unit of Planck Time.
6. Not a good analogy. I woudn't call the marble simpler, because there are many questions about how the marble got there, why the (still millions of) sand grains are on top of it, and more.

7. So? I haven't gotten to that part yet. Here it is:
The reason the all-powerful God of the Bible is the God that created the universe is because the Bible demonstrates scientific knowledge ahead of it's time: It has a creation story that is very close to what actually happened (so close that their was most likely a typo or something that made it not 100% true). In Isaiah, it mentions the Earth is round. Most people at that time thought that the Earth was flat. How did Isaiah know it was round? In Job, it says that the world is "hangeth over nothing". I.e. it's floating in space. Most people at that time thought that the world rested on top of something. How did Job know that the Earth floated in space?

How did the people writing the bible know these things? Did God tell them? Why?

@Lord Gartho: God told them so there would be evidence of his existence.

"Okay, then give just an idea of what else could have causes the universe. It doesn't have to be an explanation or a scientific theory, just a general posibility of what else could have cause the universe."

Is this an argument? This is why your "proof" is wrong. You think that just because the argument makes the most sense to you, that it is automatically true. Isn't there a good possibiltiy that we just don't know how the universe was created? Or must you feel the need to know everything so you just claim that God (from the Bible of course, it can't be some other powerful being?

ooops. Didnt finish my sentence there, but I think you got what I was trying to say.