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ssorenn (0 DX)
11 Sep 14 UTC
September 11th 2014----
13 years after an American tragedy, we salute those who lost their lives!!!
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tvrocks (388 D)
31 Aug 14 UTC
7 game gunboat series
I'm thinking of starting one. would probably be 10 bet 2 day phase wta. no country switches probably. anyone interested in the idea?
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tendmote (100 D(B))
13 Sep 14 UTC
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Home Ownership
What do you all think of home ownership? I think it's crazy. It's your ticket out of the middle class, you either get rich or poor doing it.
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Putin33 (111 D)
14 Sep 14 UTC
"Cuba survives because of Venezuelan handouts, and only lasted before then because of Soviet ones."

I notice you skipped the 1990s when it was getting neither, genius.

China's main sectors are not privately controlled.
Putin33 (111 D)
14 Sep 14 UTC
Invictus's sense of history is about as sound as his financial advice.
Putin33 (111 D)
14 Sep 14 UTC
And prediction record.
Invictus (240 D)
14 Sep 14 UTC
http://data.bls.gov/cgi-bin/cpicalc.pl?cost1=1100&year1=1984&year2=2014

In 1984, $1,100 was worth $2,522.38 today. Does that "beat" inflation? I don't know. But it does mean you're paying a set amount of old dollars and get to own a house outright after the last payment. For many people that's a good idea. What's hard to understand here?
@tendmote: "It looks like a sine wave oscillating between 900K and 1.2M. You don't want life circumstances to cause you to buy at the peak and sell into the low point." No kidding. Don't buy at the peak, and don't leave yourself so over leveraged that you are forced to sell at the low point. I'm not saying there aren't people who make bad decisions and get killed in the real estate market. I'm criticizing a blanket conclusion that home ownership is universally bad for everyone.
tendmote (100 D(B))
14 Sep 14 UTC
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@The Hanged Man

I'm not saying it's universally bad, I'm saying it's universally high-risk, to the point of being crazy. It's a lottery with winners and losers. You say "Don't buy at the peak", but it's hard to know and impossible to control. Is right now a peak? "So over leveraged that you are forced to sell at the low point" - well, if you've lost your job and need to leave town, again, it's not under your control.

Buying a house is not like being an investment banker, where you bet OPM ("other people's money") with no oversight, blow up, get bailed out, and get drastically overpaid anyways. With real estate, you're betting your own money on something that's pretty risky.
Invictus (240 D)
14 Sep 14 UTC
What's the difference between saying it's universally bad and saying it's universally high-risk to the point of being crazy?
Putin33 (111 D)
14 Sep 14 UTC
Rarely, people win the lottery.
tendmote (100 D(B))
14 Sep 14 UTC
"Universally bad" would suggest there are no winners. "Universally high-risk to the point of being crazy" means there are winners, and losers, decided largely by circumstances beyond anyone's control, for high stakes.
Invictus (240 D)
14 Sep 14 UTC
http://www.realtytrac.com/landing/2009-year-end-foreclosure-report.html

In 2009, the state with the worst foreclosure rate was Nevada, which topped out at over 10%. A devastatingly high number that obviously wrought havoc on the economy and many people's lives.

However, it still means about 90% of homes in Nevada (far and away the state worst hit) were NOT foreclosed on in the very worst year for homeowners since the Great Depression. So it's hardly comparable to winning the lottery.
tendmote (100 D(B))
14 Sep 14 UTC
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10% in *a year* is insanely high. I mean that is ludicrously high. And that doesn't mean that the other 90% are in-the-money. There are loads of underwater houses (and delinquent houses, in fact), "vampire mortgages", and things that the banks simply do not have the capacity to foreclose on right now.
Invictus (240 D)
14 Sep 14 UTC
Yeah, it is ludicrously high. Vegas' housing market in the 2000s was insanely out of control. But even then, in just about the worst-case scenario, 90% of people did not lose their homes. The lottery comparison therefore falls flat.
Putin33 (111 D)
14 Sep 14 UTC
"But even then, in just about the worst-case scenario, 90% of people did not lose their homes. The lottery comparison therefore falls flat."

Did you purposely ignore the rest of TM's post?
Invictus (240 D)
14 Sep 14 UTC
Yes. I'm addressing the lottery example.
Putin33 (111 D)
14 Sep 14 UTC
No, you're just repeating yourself. There are other forms of losing the bet.
tendmote (100 D(B))
14 Sep 14 UTC
"Losing the lottery" in the example means losing significant amounts of money on your home, not losing your home as such. Vampire mortgages, underwater houses, etc. "Winning the lottery" means, for instance, gaining 400K on your house over 10 years, for reasons that are not under your control.
Invictus (240 D)
14 Sep 14 UTC
But what reasons for an investment being successful are under your control?


You people are hopeless.
ssorenn (0 DX)
14 Sep 14 UTC
You just figured that out, at least you finally did.
tendmote (100 D(B))
14 Sep 14 UTC
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"But what reasons for an investment being successful are under your control?"

The size of your bet is under your control, and there are more or less volatile choices. In the housing market the size of your bet tends towards "all you can afford" which amounts to putting your eggs into one volatile basket.
Invictus (240 D)
14 Sep 14 UTC
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So we're back to this. You don't recognize the distinction between unaffordable mortgages and affordable ones. You think the only possible scenario is someone putting all their savings into a down payment and then having so big a mortgage they barely make the monthly payments. Everyone agrees that's bad. But it doesn't have to be that way. If that's the only way you can get a mortgage you can't afford a mortgage and should rent.

Hopeless. Have fun renting. I hope it's actually the right thing in your situation.
Putin33 (111 D)
14 Sep 14 UTC
Is there any scenario where people aren't putting most of their savings and cash on hand into a down payment in which people aren't already loaded?
tendmote (100 D(B))
14 Sep 14 UTC
Too much volatility in home prices for any significant bet.
ssorenn (0 DX)
14 Sep 14 UTC
Hahahahahahahahaahhaahhahahaaaha
tendmote (100 D(B))
14 Sep 14 UTC
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When an investment banker laughs, I know I'm onto the right track. Can we get our bailout money back?
ssorenn (0 DX)
14 Sep 14 UTC
I'm done talking about the benefits of homeownership. I really don't care where you live or if you make money or not. And I'm not an investment banker. I'm a commodity trader. I manage a fixed income portfolio
Maniac (189 D(B))
14 Sep 14 UTC
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Some really interesting comments here. My two pennies worth...

Investing in property isn't right or wrong. Different people have different levels of risk and different lifestyle choices. If you want to be a musician travelling the world, then buying a house probably isn't for you. If you want to settle down and provide a stable environment for your children then buying could be a good option.

When people talk about making big gains or loses on property, you must remember it is all relative. If you make £100k on a house, great. But when you sell it and upscale the house you are buying is likely to also have increased. If you're downsizing and cashing in, great, I'm happy for you. If you 'lose' £100k in a downturn, remember that you could benefit when you upscale as the place you're buying is likely to be so much cheaper. As I say, it's all relative.

Buying stocks, art or baseball cards could've been a better investment over the last twenty years or so. But none of them could've kept you warm, dry and secure whilst they were making you some money.

I should add I used to own 40+ properties. Made a profit, sold most, lost all the profit on property deals in Dubai and Spain. So I've seen best and worst of the property market. I still have some properties left, domestic and commercial and would prefer those to see me into retirement rather than some other pension plan.
Putin33 (111 D)
14 Sep 14 UTC
And fixed income is a main source of revenue for....investment banks.



ssorenn (0 DX)
14 Sep 14 UTC
I don't work for a bank
tendmote (100 D(B))
14 Sep 14 UTC
I don't mean to belabor the ad-hominem, but I cannot resist:

Long oil... payday... long oil... payday... long oil... payday... long oil... payday... long oil... payday... long oil... payday... long oil... payday... long oil... payday... long oil... payday... long oil... payday... long oil... payday... long oil... payday... long oil... payday... long oil... payday...
tendmote (100 D(B))
14 Sep 14 UTC
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Or should I embrace risk, take a Series 7 exam, and start trading currencies? Big wins possible...

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Jeff Kuta (2066 D)
11 Sep 14 UTC
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Dick Cheney is a jackass.
That is all.
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Al Swearengen (0 DX)
08 Sep 14 UTC
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Post-apocalyptic Role Playing Game
Team,
As many of you know, I'm working on a post-apocalyptic video game.

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Crazy Anglican (1067 D)
13 Sep 14 UTC
Pop culture / Literature Jobs you DON'T want
Inspired by obiwan's "Best ..... of " Threads.


Let's come up with a bunch of really bad roles that if you get them bad things will happen to you.
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Randomizer (722 D)
13 Sep 14 UTC
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Richard Kiel
http://www.latimes.com/local/obituaries/la-me-richard-kiel-20140912-story.html
A towering giant in the acting field dead at 72. Most of you know him as Jaws in the Roger Moore James Bond films, but he played dozens of roles.
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obiwanobiwan (248 D)
07 Sep 14 UTC
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The Scottish Play: Independence for the Scots?
http://news.yahoo.com/supporters-scottish-independence-narrow-poll-lead-first-time-005404318.html
I'm nowhere near well enough informed to comment on whether or not that's a good idea, culturally, financially, or otherwise, so I defer to the British WebDippers--what do you think about this, yea or nay, and are you worried they'll take 12th Doctor with them if they do? (WOW is Capaldi's accent thick!) ;)
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JamesYanik (548 D)
13 Sep 14 UTC
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Contributing to WebDip is apparently bad
I've made a lot of games his last year and a user named 'vinnylanazzo' joined a lot of them. 'Yanik is back' 'Age of empires' and 'cats' games. Now I got suspected of metagaming so should I just not make games?
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Tru Ninja (1016 D(S))
11 Sep 14 UTC
Is there interest in a REAL tournament on this site?
Looking at having a real cash buy-in. First, second and third places receive a cash prize, proceeds go to the site. Additional prizes for best country, and a few other notables (best stab, etc.). Maybe getting the site to put an emblem on your profile page (after all, we're paying money) for awards earned.
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Zach0805 (100 D)
13 Sep 14 UTC
Fall Of Labor Day 2
Join Fall Of Labor Day-2
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jimbursch (100 D)
13 Sep 14 UTC
What exactly is the relationship between webDiplomacy and Hasbro?
This has come up in another thread and I thought it was worthy of it's own thread. Has Hasbro (or Wizards) given permission to webDiplomacy?
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bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
11 Sep 14 UTC
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Roger Goodell's Resignation
No, it hasn't happened, but it should. After all, all he cares about is PR - wouldn't that be a great PR move?
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tendmote (100 D(B))
13 Sep 14 UTC
We need to invent a new sport
Let’s design a new sport that minimizes the need for expensive gear and controversial refereeing. Additionally that players should not end up dead or in the hospital. What shall this sport be?
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Maniac (189 D(B))
12 Sep 14 UTC
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How offended are you?
My nephew and his girlfriend are starting a business and asked me to help in the formation. Companies House (the UK organisation responsible for registering companies) just refused to register their name. Crazy Cnuts Limited, because it offends people. How offended are you?
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jimbursch (100 D)
12 Sep 14 UTC
Credit for taking over CD
I took over a CD in this game (Italy):
gameID=145028
but my profile indicates 0 CD taken over. How do I get credit for the good deed?
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Ogion (3882 D)
12 Sep 14 UTC
Orders not loading?
I don't seem to be able to order anything because the order all say "orders loading..." Without actually loading. Is anyone else seeing this?
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redhouse1938 (429 D)
10 Sep 14 UTC
Are our enemies' enemies' our friends? - The case of IS
So I guess tomorrow (for me as a European it will be tomorrow) Barack Obama will deliver remarks on his anti-IS strategy. (IS is this crazy islamic thing in the Levant). How far should western nations go in allying with IS' enemies, such as Assad in Syria and the Ayatollahs in Iran?
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NigeeBaby (100 D(G))
02 Sep 14 UTC
Definition of Socialism
"Socialism has absolutely nothing to do with the Soviet Union; Socialism is merely a form of organized compassion."

can you top that.....
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JamesYanik (548 D)
11 Sep 14 UTC
2 MORE WORLD GAME CATS
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Dovale (544 D)
11 Sep 14 UTC
Retreat and support.
If unit A supports movement to place X, but then is dislodged and movement fails leaving place X still empty, can A retreat to X? Or is it like A tried to move there itself?
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donkey.kong (100 D)
11 Sep 14 UTC
1 player needed
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=147279

Password: euro
1 day game times
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tcdix1 (1925 D)
09 Sep 14 UTC
Most supply centers in a single turn?
So recently, I was in a game where I was able to convince someone to give me his 3 home centers, another center, and support me to 3 centers occupied by other nations in a single turn, all so that he would survive the game. I went from 11 centers to 18 all in one turn. Do I was curious, what's the most supply centers everyone has captured in a turn. It would be difficult to do more than 9 I think, but I guess not impossible?
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Chaqa (3971 D(B))
10 Sep 14 UTC
Feature request - play noise on phase change
Mostly for live games... a beep or ring when a game processes would be super useful. Is it possible?
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OB_Gyn_Kenobi (888 D)
10 Sep 14 UTC
5 min "live" game questions
I'm pretty new to the site and intrigued by the "live" 5 min cycle games. Are they literally 5 minute rounds or is there a lot of pausing? Do people communicate over the messaging system during them? In general, how long of a block of time do you need to set aside to play in them? Thanks in advance, any advice is appreciated.
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jmo1121109 (3812 D)
11 Sep 14 UTC
Destiny
Who's playing it, how is it and should I get the PS4 or the XBOX 1 to play it?
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mdrltc (1818 D(G))
09 Sep 14 UTC
Diplomacy Board Game: Wood or Plastic?
There are a number of 'vintage' Diplomacy board games on the market. When playing F2F, which do you prefer, wood or plastic? And why.
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ag7433 (927 D(S))
09 Sep 14 UTC
Rotating Diplomacy
Is there a way to play so that...
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bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
09 Sep 14 UTC
Any Piano Players?
If you are, teach me this - http://www.scribd.com/doc/48706422/Scott-D-Davis-Hotel-California
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tendmote (100 D(B))
07 Sep 14 UTC
What has The Internet done to Education?
I don’t have kids, and I was just about out of college when the Internet struck (collecting my first paychecks elsewhere as Netscape went public in 1995), so I have never had any experience with what The Internet has done to education. Do students bother learning facts anymore? Is Google everyone’s external brain? Does anyone know anything? Is everyone a plagiarist? What gives?
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