and we all know how they manipulate poll results, one obvious bias is that they put crazy things in there like aliens so it will probably cause some who know about the jfk conspiracy to not admit it for fear of being lumped in with nutcases. and im sure other techniques were employed.

so the figure could in fact be higher.

note that this poll is kind of push-polling. they are setting the narrative and deciding what conspiracies should be. they ask "is osama still alive?" rather than "did osama die before the us government said he died" (the actual reality). it is propaganda which is what you would expect from ppp after their manipulated results to prevent ron paul from winning the primaries. so take it with a grain of salt. but still useful information.

"so the figure could in fact be higher"

Yes, and I know you don't understand these things, but the figure could in fact be lower too.

Please prove to us how you know that Osama died by some cause other than the invasion.

Please prove to us that Ron Paul should have won the primary.

Please prove to us that you are not TC.

You'll be unable to do all three of them.

@ blankmind: "research shows that 75% of americans believe that there was a conspiracy in the assasination of jfk"

So what? What the fuck do most of those people actually know about it? What evidence to they have access to?

I'm not even going to look as to whether the polling was correct. You didn't even cite the facts correctly. Here, let me help you.

51% of voters say a larger conspiracy was at work in the JFK assassination, just 25% say Oswald acted alone

But my favorite question and answer is

4% of voters say they believe “lizard people” control our societies by gaining political power

what do you mean invasion? the seals operation, right? where later a couple dozen of the members of that team were somehow crammed into one helicopter that somehow crashed killing all on board?

i know he died of kidney failure long before that operation. LONG before it. and people who know know it. but cant disclose it for various reasons. but even without having those people talk about it, just look at the facts. he was on dialysis for all that time... those "videos" released by him, the later ones he was actually younger, and a couple of them were proven that the guy in there was not him at all. i think there was public testimony by people treating him that he was close to death in 2001 or something. that 'raid' was so full of crap. in fact even the details they told you about it were later admitted to be lies. that picture of obama et al watching it as it happened - staged. admitted now. the man who was killed using his wife as a human shield - admitted not to have happened. burial at sea nothing to do with islam tradition - not sure if the media is admitting that yet, but they might as well.

i will tell you why the figure is unlikely to be lower - because the ppp did the poll with the express purpose of pushing the agenda. if you think the ppp did this poll completely objectively then you already made a mistake, because just looking at which questions were asked (lumping in jfk with space aliens) shows a lack of objectivity and a lack of a desire to find out what people really believe. ppp is corrupt like any other of these major polling companies.

I know that I should just mute this thread, but...I can't. I just can't. God, I need help.

in response to gov, the definition we are going with of conspiracy is more than one person acting together rather than someone acting alone. under that definition it is 25%. the discrepency (spelling?) might come from the fact that people are just scared of saying they believe a conspiracy from people like you all and the media saying that people who believe in conspiracies are crazy. just because they dont want to admit to believing in a "larger conspiracy" they do, in fact believe that more than one person was involved in jfk's assassination.

"where later a couple dozen of the members of that team were somehow crammed into one helicopter that somehow crashed killing all on board?"

Yep, that one...

"i know he died of kidney failure long before that operation."

You continue this paragraph with a bunch of crap that you didn't and can't back up. If you can't back it up, don't present it as if you can. You say that they were admitted to be lies - prove it. I'm not going to believe it because you said it (it's actually quite the opposite, such is as it goes with you at times).

"i will tell you why the figure is unlikely to be lower - because the ppp did the poll with the express purpose of pushing the agenda. ...... ppp is corrupt like any other of these major polling companies."

Then why did you cite it? If they aren't objective and the poll is bad, don't present it as your evidence.

Don't worry jim, I've muted my own threads before.

Wait! It gets better. I clicked through to the actual poll and the complete lizard people question was there.

Do you believe that shape-shifting reptilian
people control our world by taking on human
form and gaining political power to manipulate
our societies, or not?
Do 4%
Do not 88%
Not sure 7%

I'm not sure if I'm more concerned with the Do's or the Not Sure's.

see now you are getting my saying 25% rather than 75%. you see they make a small change in how the information is presented and it makes a difference. because the media tend to quote the exact phrasing rather than thinking critically. however, it is clear that evidence was not what they wanted because their press release fails to even mention it.

Small change? Like changing 51% to 75%?

at bo sox, i cite it because you people believe in the ppp. there is way more credible information out there, but you all only believe the bought-and-paid-for corporate crap. so i have to present that you all will take.

By you people you obviously are including yourself since you are using it, blankmind.

you really are stupid. i am using it to convince the people on this site you moron. i knew it was a conspiracy and i know that the american public know. i am using this information because it is from a source that you people will believe. i already know it is true, i dont need the ppp to tell me. do you understand yet, or do i have to repeat myself again?

"Do you believe that shape-shifting reptilian
people control our world by taking on human
form and gaining political power to manipulate
our societies, or not?
Do 4%"

Uuuuugh fucking hell. Assuming that to be a representative sample, that would mean that in the USA there are about 12.6 million people who think that the world is controlled by space lizards. Could North Korea hurry up with those nukes, please?

Not a representative sample. It isn't using standardized smapling techniques for surveys so will naturally draw the loons out and attracts the pranksters. Figure that to be more like a realistic 2.5 million.

@Jamiet - Do not believe for even one second that people in the UK would answer any differently.

to be honest i do think there is some credibility to it. the same way i think there was SOME credibility to the republican polling. a lot of the push polling was just selecting communities or zip codes specifically to poll where they knew the people just listen to whatever the media says, resulting in candidates like santorum or who else, gingrich or whoever rising and falling as the media discusses them. but if they showed a 60-40 santorum over paul i am guessing the actual number was not 80-20 for paul, but maybe 50-50 or 60-40. i think they are unreliable, but not massively unreliable. so if they say 75% believe more than one person involved in the assassination then that it is probably 65-85. and based on what i have seen, they would do everything to make the numbers lower rather than higher. if they really wanted low numbers why would they not mention jfk at all in the press release? that is my take.

"do you understand yet, or do i have to repeat myself again?"

No, blankmind, I don't follow your logic. You are using this to try and convince people that this source is stupid, but you are also using to try and prove that people think that JFK's assassination is a conspiracy (or the method of it, I guess). You are also saying that it's from a source that people believe and then pointing out that it's conducting surveys about space lizard whatever-the-fucks. So are you saying we shouldn't believe the source or we shouldn't believe that JFK's assassination was a conspiracy? Or should we believe that shape-shifting reptilian mole people whatever-the-fucks control our world? Is that your next one?

@ jimgov: That's ok. Our dickhead of a Prime Minister apparently thinks people in the UK will believe that North Korea has the capacity to nuke us over here, so that's fine...

Hey, he saved a sheep from drowning! He's like a Putin-lite.

uk is probably higher since the guy pushing that theory is from the uk. david icke. good guy though. he understands a lot and his website has a lot of useful information. besides that stuff, of course.

@Jamiet - I don't think North Korea can figure out how to send a letter to the UK, much less a nuke.

I wonder who is the better propaganda leader between Kim Jong Un and David Icke...

i do not think it is incredibly reliable myself, but all i am trying to say to you is that it is stating the number as lower than it actually is. the unreliability in this case will probably result in an understating of the 75% figure is what i am saying. it is true that they could fudge the number up by 10%, i just am guessing they wouldnt in this case because it goes against what they want.

4% is nothing. or even the 7%. there will be a certain number of people to select any option you put in a poll, no matter how crazy it is. you cant draw any kind of conclusion from what 4% of the population claim they believe in a survey. but when you have 75% of the population saying something, then you can.

Well, I think that there is a strong chance that Kim Jong Un is NOT the one behing all of the shit going on now. He's only 28 and could very well just be a figurehead with the military in control. He is never quoted saying any of these crazy things. It is always a report from an unnamed military source or from the Korean Central News Agency. Never a direct quote from him. And that is fucking scary.

Okay, blankflag, before you go analyzing stats, seriously, the *sample* is not the population. It's a sample. I've taken one college level stats class and I can figure that out.