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svenson (101 D)
02 Aug 10 UTC
Religion
This is not meant to be a religion bashing or promoting thread. Just meant to be a intellectual discussion on why people believe what they believe.
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Miro Klose (595 D)
08 Aug 10 UTC
Homosexuality is no choice
I am confused how much religious and far right propaganda sneaks into the forum.
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_Beau_ (212 D)
09 Aug 10 UTC
Unpausing game
Could an admin please unpause game 33847? We agreed to a pause for one week, which has passed, but one player hasn't returned.
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baumhaeuer (245 D)
08 Aug 10 UTC
Whatever happened to Stukus or Kaptain Kool?
They haven't shown up on the forum for a while.
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Miyazaki (0 DX)
08 Aug 10 UTC
New World Diplomacy Game
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=35377

Hey all, I've started a new World Diplomacy IX game - please join! Thanks :)
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Jeffy (100 D)
09 Aug 10 UTC
University of south Florida bulls
Usf will beat uf in football
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The Czech (39951 D(S))
09 Aug 10 UTC
wta gunboat starts in 10 min
gameID=35435
if it doesn't fill it's nighty-night for the czech
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JECE (1248 D)
02 Aug 10 UTC
Settlement Fight
Hello, a friend of mine launched a new game today: www.settlementfight.com. Check it out!

(His website is www.greatplay.net. I also reccomend it.)
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zscheck (2531 D)
31 Jul 10 UTC
Most Valuable non-SC on the map:
Vote now!!
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abgemacht (1076 D(G))
01 Aug 10 UTC
Ghost-Rating Game Challenge
If you'd like to play, post your interest below along with your August GR and desired paramters. Sign-up will end Monday the 9th.
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DJEcc24 (246 D)
06 Aug 10 UTC
The highschool diplomacy players
Yes i am in highschool and would be interested in perhaps playing an all highschool player diplomacy game. Perhaps we can come up with some funky way of playing like our talking has to be in pig latin or somethin. Probably not something stupid like that though.
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centurion1 (1478 D)
07 Aug 10 UTC
how to open a ganes diplomatic channels
Just finished a game recently And want people to know how NOT to start off a relationship. You do NT make demands and tell people where to move. For example if I'm France I do not go to Germany you move here and there. Its very annoying and is not smart This demand things like that of people
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martinck1 (4464 D(S))
08 Aug 10 UTC
Another Ghost Rating Challenge - Go On, You Know You Want To
Is anyone up for a second GRC game? I haven't played with lots of people here, which would be great if anyone else is up for it - say top 200? First 7 to sign up play?

109 martinck1 (100-500, WTA only, anon, 36hours - 2 days)
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terry32smith (0 DX)
08 Aug 10 UTC
LIve - Battle of the Best - Starts @ 12:55pmPST
http://www.webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=35409
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stratagos (3269 D(S))
08 Aug 10 UTC
Strat's noncontroverial thread


Puppies are cute!
If you disagree, tell me why - then post something *you* think no one can disagree with...
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trip (696 D(B))
07 Aug 10 UTC
Gunboaters Anonymous
See inside...
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jcbryan97 (134 D)
08 Aug 10 UTC
Live Gunboat 101bet WTA
Live Gunboat 101bet WTA

http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=35400
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Conservative Man (100 D)
07 Aug 10 UTC
Conservative Man Weekly
Someone suggested that I confine my posts to one thread. I'm not going to do that, but I will confine the threads I start to Conservative Man Weekly threads. (Most of the time)
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Provectus (186 D)
07 Aug 10 UTC
I have suddenly become interested in this thread. People are arguing against each other, wondering if government is actually a good thing or if anarchy is better. But before I begin, I would like to clarify the definition of “government.”

gov·ern·ment   [guhv-ern-muhnt, ‐er-muhnt]
–noun
1.
the political direction and control exercised over the actions of the members, citizens, or inhabitants of communities, societies, and states; direction of the affairs of a state, community, etc.; political administration: Government is necessary to the existence of civilized society.

So a government is not necessarily good or bad, it is simply a unified direction upon which a society is constructed. Likewise, I look at “anarchy.”

an·ar·chy   [an-er-kee]
–noun
1.
a state of society without government or law.

Anarchy happens to be (through logic) an un-unified set of directions upon which society is constructed.

So then I ask myself “what seems better a society in which the people are moving toward a common good or a society in which argument is common?” I, of course, would pick option A.

But before I skip joyfully away, I realize that that is impossible, human never agree for long. I was simply living in a fairytale. So I take a look into history.

Governments have a habit of appearing and disappearing. The longest Government that existed (in recorded history) was that of Egypt, in the time of the pharaohs. But in Egypt I then realize that all of Egypt was united into a common goal: to obey the will of their gods (which was supposedly communicated through the pharaohs). The fall of their society was mostly caused by the degradation of that ideal.

Sticking to the Egypt theme, I notice that their religion was based upon two things: chaos and order. As order degraded, chaos would overcome and it did. I look at other governments. As I look, I realize that that as a society survives the tolls of time, the “common direction” that formed their government steadily degrades. Time goes on, things change, and the reasons for the “common direction” are no longer there. People begin to wonder why there is a government at all. The government collapses, a new “common direction” is found, and the cycle begins again. It has been seen countless times in history: The dynasties of China (always renewing), and the royalty in Europe (replaced by republics).

Interesting, isn’t it, that anarchy never lasts for long and is soon after swept up into a pile of government. After Europe left Africa, the New African nations survived a bit and then (for the most part) collapsed into anarchy, only to be swept back up by regional warlords (in some countries). These warlords seem to always have one direction: preservation of their power. In this case, being directionless seems to be a better approach. But while being directionless, your thoughts can never be communicated through any direction, so if a government, perhaps in the form of an angry mob (yes, humans do that), comes along, you will be swept along in their direction. As for the creation of militias, well that happens to be a direction; a direction apposing that of the mob, so you can hardly call that anarchy.

Now I begin to realize. My country of the United States of America has stood for over two centuries, the thoughts of “no taxation without representation” have dissolved. As has our common direction. Will a new common direction will be found? or will we remain directionless and fall into anarchy? Will we be swept away into the currents of another direction? or will we stand strong and create a peaceful transition into a new, more powerful direction? I suppose it is my choice, and yours.

P.S. Apologies for taking up a lot of room.
@killer: If drugs were legal, less people would do them. The prohibition era has shown this.
killer135 (100 D)
07 Aug 10 UTC
Ok, enjoy druggies and illegal Mexican druggies knocking on your door giving you drugs or giving you drugs in foreign language. You think people are going to stop doing drugs if they can do as much as they want? Heck, no, It'll probably increase how much they do. What do you want next? A stock market for drugs, say trade two couches for X amount of Marijuana?
abgemacht (1076 D(G))
07 Aug 10 UTC
"If drugs were legal, less people would do them. The prohibition era has shown this."

Where is your data to back this up?
killer135 (100 D)
07 Aug 10 UTC
Thank you Abgemacht. More drugs per person, higher death rate.
killer135 (100 D)
07 Aug 10 UTC
Provectus quote:"Now I begin to realize. My country of the United States of America has stood for over two centuries, the thoughts of “no taxation without representation” have dissolved. As has our common direction. Will a new common direction will be found? or will we remain directionless and fall into anarchy? Will we be swept away into the currents of another direction? or will we stand strong and create a peaceful transition into a new, more powerful direction? I suppose it is my choice, and yours."
The idea that people don't want to be taxed for no reason has stood strong to most of those besides the government. As stated in the Declaration of Independence, The People of this Republic have the right at any time to overthrow the government if it denies the principles of which it's based on and elect a new government(basically, not exactly what it says).
@Abge: Why the fuck do I have to give data about everything! Are you so dumb that you don't know about the prohibition era!? Next thing I know, you'll be asking for data to prove that matter is matter.

(I apologize for that outburst, but you guys are really annoying me)
killer135 (100 D)
07 Aug 10 UTC
I don't know about the prohibition era, so show a little dignity and respect please.
@killer: Would you do drugs if they were legal? Because the reason I don't do drugs is not because they're illegal, it's because they're bad for me.
"I don't know about the prohibition era"
And exactly how long have you gone to school?
killer135 (100 D)
07 Aug 10 UTC
F U CON MAN, I have better things to do with my life then die on the couch with Cocaine up my nose.But who's to say some people wouldn't care? What if some people don't do drugs because they're not available in that area?
killer135 (100 D)
07 Aug 10 UTC
so, Con man, instead of just telling me what prohibition era is, you're going to make me google it, jerk.
abgemacht (1076 D(G))
07 Aug 10 UTC
Good, now you know how we all feel about you.

Maybe you don't understand how a debate works. It doesn't consist of two people just rambling facts that may or may not be true. There needs to be something backing up those "facts." You have given no justification on a wide variety of topics for any of your opinions that you haphazardly throw around as facts. As a result, I view everything you say as suspect.
largeham (149 D)
07 Aug 10 UTC
We've discussed this many times, find the old conversation, and read it.
Provectus (186 D)
07 Aug 10 UTC
@killer, our direction has shifted to attempt to lower taxes through our 200 year old representatives. Guess what, they'll do it if you pay them enough. Plus people are to used to having a government to over-through it all at once. And if they wanted to change it they would have to go through congress, and thats like talking to a brick wall (unless you have the money to drill through it)
Tom Bombadil (4023 D(G))
07 Aug 10 UTC
"It doesn't consist of two people just rambling facts that may or may not be true. There needs to be something backing up those 'facts."'

Shit, I have been doing debates wrong for a long time then...
killer135 (100 D)
07 Aug 10 UTC
copied from my unnecessary Google Search:
Many social problems have been attributed to the Prohibition era. Mafia groups limited their activities to gambling and theft until 1920, when organized bootlegging manifested in response to the effect of Prohibition.[20] A profitable, often violent, black market for alcohol flourished. Powerful gangs corrupted law enforcement agencies, leading to racketeering. Stronger liquor surged in popularity because its potency made it more profitable to smuggle.
Friendly Sword (636 D)
07 Aug 10 UTC
""It doesn't consist of two people just rambling facts that may or may not be true. There needs to be something backing up those 'facts."'

Shit, I have been doing debates wrong for a long time then..."

Actually that *is* how debates are done. You are really thick! The president is a communist muslim extremist. Puppies are not as cute as kittens obviously. Jeez.
"F U CON MAN, I have better things to do with my life then die on the couch with Cocaine up my nose." When did I ever mention you dying on the couch with cocaine up your nose?

@abge: In my opinion, a debate involves logic. But if you want a source, fine here's your freaking source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prohibition_in_the_United_States
@Killer: I was about to post the source (above), but I still get the feeling you already knew what prohibition was.
Lord Gartho (100 D)
07 Aug 10 UTC
Kittens are cuter.
killer135 (100 D)
07 Aug 10 UTC
Conservative Man, Do you truly want a total Anarchy? I believe lesser government is a better solution to today's current problems (High-unemployment rate, Corrupt politics, corrupt lawmaking). Lesser government gives the people room to create jobs without getting taxed, makes those who are unemployed FIND JOBS (I've actually seen people sitting in front of their house, drinking alcohol) So i ask them" Shouldn't you be looking for a job" to which they reply, "Welfare is my job. Screw you workers!)then they laugh.
abgemacht (1076 D(G))
07 Aug 10 UTC
"In my opinion, a debate involves logic."

But, if you're starting facts are unfounded, don't you see how any logical conclusions you draw from them are meaningless? Of course logic is important, but it needs something to build off of.
Oh my gosh I agree with Lord Gartho on something.
abgemacht (1076 D(G))
07 Aug 10 UTC
And, thanks for the source. I agree Prohibition was a disaster and caused much more harm than good. However, I'm not sure the failures of Prohibition justify the legalization of, say, PCP.
killer135 (100 D)
07 Aug 10 UTC
And yes, I believe Kittens are cuter.
centurion1 (1478 D)
07 Aug 10 UTC
Prohibition limited alcohol use and make the alcohol being used stronger ( see masdtre "the rise of hard liquor in the us") it did not increase alcholo use lol.

Your perfect qworld is the most naive concept and utterably unworkable situation I have ever heard described. Who hands oout all the supplies? Why does anyone have any desire to work? Why do people become educated? How do you gauge value with no currency. How do you interact with other nations? Where is the human drive and ingenuity to further technology that is inherent to a capatilistic society.

Your new world order is absolutely ridiculous unless we have god powers
Friendly Sword (636 D)
07 Aug 10 UTC
Shit dudes where are the obnoxious puppy-supporters I was expecting? This has been very unexpected.
Provectus (186 D)
07 Aug 10 UTC
@ centurion, a capitalistic society is one that steps on the poor, and the workers who the people that support and allow that very ingenuity to happen. Plus, in a capitalistic society, that ingenuity probably isn't for the common good.
killer135 (100 D)
07 Aug 10 UTC
Provectus, where do you live? What country?

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President Eden (2750 D)
07 Aug 10 UTC
POSTING IS A CHOICE
Info in next post
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mapleleaf (0 DX)
07 Aug 10 UTC
Trolls are to be IGNORED.
How stupid are you people anyway? This useless waste of skin, Conservative Man is spamming the forum. Do not respond to it.
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killer135 (100 D)
05 Aug 10 UTC
End Game
I just want to see some of the community's freaky endings and hear the stories behind them.
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=35176
I was Germany, allied with France. We killed England,Russia, and Italy fast.Then Austria becomes a challenge over who gets what. That's when I find out he's been allied with Turkey all this time, So I send my fleets at France, my armies at both of them, and try to stalemate. I end up in a draw, Turkey and France had combined 21 SCs to my 13 SCs.
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obiwanobiwan (248 D)
08 Aug 10 UTC
Obiwan's Request
http://ksolo.myspace.com/actions/showSongProfile.do?rid=2349289&sid=30038&uid=13323842

I never post this sort of stuff, but it's for a friend of mine...so yes, if you could watch and rate (preferably highly, it's only 3 minutes) I'd be very grateful...
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centurion1 (1478 D)
08 Aug 10 UTC
game apology
Very Sorry a game ended a few hours a day. Really sorry I resigned I'm on vacation should never have joined. Gg all
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ava2790 (232 D(S))
05 Aug 10 UTC
This Site (as an authoritative polity)
Love it or hate it folks, this site is a dominant feature in our lives all over the world, and seems to have no interest in going away.
My question for you is: can we live without this seemingly ubiquitous feature of human existence? And do we want to?
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TheGhostmaker (1545 D)
05 Aug 10 UTC
Fallacy Spotting
Logic and logical fallacies I find fascinating. Find the fallacy in the argument provided, name it, and then provide a fallacious argument for someone to do the same with. Note: the conclusion need not be false!
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curtis (8870 D)
07 Aug 10 UTC
Need one more for a live game
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=35356
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Geofram (130 D(B))
30 Jul 10 UTC
Exuberant Public Press
I'm looking for players for a public press game. Details inside:
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Bob Genghiskhan (1233 D)
07 Aug 10 UTC
Anonymous non-gunboat live game
20 minutes from now, 20 point buy in...

http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=35349
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The Czech (39951 D(S))
07 Aug 10 UTC
Gunboaters R Us Live in 20 Min 39 Point Buy in
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Friendly Sword (636 D)
15 Jul 10 UTC
The State (as an authoritative polity)
Love it or hate it folks, the state is a dominant feature in our lives all over the world, and seems to have no interest in going away.
My question for you is: can we live without this seemingly ubiquitous feature of human exitence? And do we want to?
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