damnit mendax it's not 225 years, and the guy has prior arrests.

"Seriously, how much of this shit has to happen before people can accept that the justice system is completely fucked, and that the police are complicit in this."

no there are simply a few people who get around the law, not ALL police are complicit, and finally go screw yourself

JY, you are about to get roasted over a fire and served medium rare.

Previous arrests means nothing. You might have a case with previous convictions, but previous arrests just means he cares about his community, lives in NY, and isn't white.

"but previous arrests just means he cares about his community, lives in NY, and isn't white."

um... no, that .... just no

There will always be corruption but quite frankly the justice system doesnt seem too fucked up to me, and @mendax, stop bitching about it and start coming up with a way to fix it otherwise there is no reason for you to post anymore. literally no fucking reason

It's always interesting to see how scarily powerful white privilege is.

JY, have you even bothered looking at the numbers?

@James
Do you live in Ferguson? Or NYC? Chicago? I agree that judicial segment of of our justice system is pretty much as good as it gets but the executive segment, the police namely, needs some MAJOR changes. Being African-American in Chicago, I know this problem first hand. You want ways to fix it? Abolish police's right to privacy while they are on duty. I'm talking body cameras, voice recordings, etc.

Police? Monitored while working? LIKE EVERYONE ELSE IN BASICALLY ANY FIELD?! No way!

I recognize throwing paint on cops as a form of douchebaggery, not protest. We have the right to assemble, not loot, burn, assault and destroy property.

I agree with you completely trip but going as far as saying that our justice system is fine is "um... no that... just no"

We care a lot!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQhX8PbNUWI

There are definitely things that need to be improved on (body cameras are definitely a good idea, and there's no strong argument against them) but doing things like throwing paint at police isn't a good way to make your opinions heard.

I never said it's fine.

I don't think he was directing that statement at you.

"I agree with you completely trip but going as far as saying that our justice system is fine is "um... no that... just no"

I was making my stance on the issue more clear. I believe this protestor is in the wrong but police in Ferguson, Chicago, etc are notorious for being overly abusive. Iwas agreeing eith your statement while combating JY's

Police in New York City and Chicago, along with a few other big cities, set the precedent. Other departments follow their lead. Fix them and slowly we will get better.

Fix how?

The NYPD needs to get rid of their stop-and-frisk policy so that they can try to get their image under control, first of all. After that, they need to crack down on instances of police brutality regardless of whether or not they are pursued in court, and they need to simply get back to doing their jobs as officers in the largest police department in the country. They also need to lighten their stance on low amounts of recreational drugs - instead, focus on cracking down on dealers and on shipments.

Of course, I don't have the inside scoop on the NYPD, so there are certainly issues I missed.

Chicago needs to stop shooting black kids and start offering reparations for the housing segregation and redlining which created some of the worst neighborhoods on the planet.

"Chicago needs to stop shooting black kids and start offering reparations for the housing segregation and redlining which created some of the worst neighborhoods on the planet."

Oh please. There's plenty of abuse and corruption in the Chicago police department, but it's not as if they just go out looking to shoot people for sport. The people they shoot tend to be either: (1) people shooting at them, or (2) people they think might shoot at them. When it comes to (2), sometimes police are wrong. When they are, they should be punished severely. But to simply say "stop shooting black kids" oversimplifies the problem. As you say, these are horrible neighborhoods. Police killings happen more often in the bad parts of the city rather than, say, the Gold Coast because the bad parts are where the violent crime takes place. The way to solve the problem with police is to solve the underlying problem of pervasive organized crime in these areas of the city. Punish bad cops along the way, but don't have that be the goal in and of itself.


As for reparations, even if that were a good policy to pursue it's not the job of the police department to do it.

Bo ,spoken like the moron you are . Funny about all the opinions from people who know so little about the city.

@ssorenn @Invictus
I agree that police here in Chicago don't just shoot people for no reason, but that's not the abuse I'm talking about. I'll give you an example: I was walking to the bus stop that I take take home from The museum in Hyde Park (one of the more peaceful diverse neighbourhoods in town.) A cop asks me a few questions, I answer them. He asks to check my bag and I politely exercise my 4th amendment rights. He thinks I'm trying to get smart with him and begins verbally attacking me, making very racist comments. I try to calm him down and pulls his gun on me, yelling at me to get down. It was the most embarrassing moment of my life because hyde park is a very busy place and these people are looking at me like I'm a criminal or something. He takes my bag and violently starts throwing things out, breaking my phone and my laptop. I didn't get arrested or anything but things like this needs to stop. If you have any questions about me or my experiences, please ask. My solution is police body cams

I fully support body cams. What happened to you was an outrage and I hope you made a complaint.

I did. They Police sergeant for the district wrote a letter of apology and the officer was given desk duty (which pays more btw) for some period of time. Justice was served.

That should never happen and agree it's an outrage. We're you getting on bus or El. There is a new ordinance in Chicago that police are allowed to search your bags if you're geting on public transit. If you elect to not allow them to search they are supposed to not allow you on. There is no reason for them to break anything you own. That's brutality.

Did you at least get your phone and laptop replaced?

Don't know the 4th Amendment, but if you were correctly exercising your rights and he violated those rights, can't you sue for money or something? I don't know how that goes in the USA but I think you at least get compensation for your trouble in NL, which is something at least..

I was compensated for my laptop which was rendered useless. My phone's screen was shattered, a lot of the apps didn't work, and it crashed a lot but it was still able to make phone calls so that was denied. I was only 17 at the time (this was over the summer) so the station just believed whatever bullshit excuse the officer gave. I told my mom but in the long haul, nothing happened.

I was walking to the bus stop, had not reached it

I suppose you could have fought over it, but it'd be pretty hard to get them to pay for a new phone. People walk around with shattered cell phone screens all the time, not so with smashed laptops. I believe you, obviously, but it would be hard to prove the screen wasn't broken before.

But, as a thought experiment only, let's say you made this whole thing up. If the police officer had a chest camera, then there would be evidence that he did nothing wrong. This is why it makes no sense for police to oppose having cameras. It makes false accusation impossible, protecting officers just as much as citizens.

Again, I believe this happened to you. I'm just making the point that chest cams are an unambiguously good thing for all parties involved.