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KiNg Of DiPlOmAcY (270 D)
14 Aug 12 UTC
Looking for Sitter
I will be gone for a week and I'm looking for a sitter. I am currently in 3 games.

PM me and I'll give you the password.
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thatonekid (0 DX)
14 Aug 12 UTC
Come Join :D
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=97390
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achillies27 (100 D)
14 Aug 12 UTC
Kick Zmaj's butt! Only 20d!
This is going to be 2 WTA games, one full press and one gunboat. I will be participating, and I ya want to join, I know the pass.
Also, this game will have a pause on the weekend of the 25th, and it will be 1 day phases.
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viejo (100 D)
14 Aug 12 UTC
Gunboats-3
Great game, Ayreon!
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dipplayer2004 (1110 D)
14 Aug 12 UTC
EOG: The World Forum
Any thoughts on our experiment in Public Press World Variant?
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onlynowintheend (100 D)
14 Aug 12 UTC
Join new game gameID=97367
gameID=97367 Newbies and veterans alike are welcome.
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djakarta97 (358 D)
11 Aug 12 UTC
A Greeting
It seems that we all compete against each other yet know so little about each other outside of WebDiplomacy. In this thread, we'll all state something interesting about ourselves.

For me, I collect coins.
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Zmaj (215 D(B))
14 Aug 12 UTC
EoG: Zmaj is going DOWN!!
gameID=97323 Q.E.D.
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NigeeBaby (100 D(G))
02 Aug 12 UTC
***Donations***
I've just made a contribution to KKK ...... Kestas Kyriakin.
I must be honest it felt great but for some strange random reason I paid in Aussie dollars ...... how mad is that !!
I urge all regular losers (I mean Users of course) to see if you have any spare Aussie Dollars in their Paypal account and do likewise
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Zmaj (215 D(B))
14 Aug 12 UTC
EoG: LIVEEEEE-2
gameID=97325 You cruel people.
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Gunfighter06 (224 D)
13 Aug 12 UTC
Top Five Beverages
Let's do a top five thread that we have not done for some time. Share and discuss your personal top five beverages.
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onlynowintheend (100 D)
14 Aug 12 UTC
New game, need 3 more
gameID=97320 password canonlybeone
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onlynowintheend (100 D)
13 Aug 12 UTC
Starting a new game gameID=97320
Looking for a few more for a game. gameID=97320 the password is canonlybebeone
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obiwanobiwan (248 D)
12 Aug 12 UTC
Sci-Fi Sunday: Your Top 10 Favorite Sci-Fi Films/TV Episodes
The Title...

Shall I be brief? ...Well, here at least. :)
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2ndWhiteLine (2601 D(B))
13 Aug 12 UTC
Getting Exposed to Diplomacy
The only thing that we all have in common on this site is a love of Diplomacy. When did you first start playing? What's your first Diplomacy memory?
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redhouse1938 (429 D)
13 Aug 12 UTC
Getting exposed to "Diplomacy" - by H. Kissinger
Absolutely brilliant. Written by a true genius (not passing moral, only intellectual judgment). It teaches everything one needs to know about the mechanics of RL diplomacy.
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Crazy Anglican (1067 D)
06 Aug 12 UTC
The English Language
A thread for observations on our messed up language.
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Mujus (1495 D(B))
08 Aug 12 UTC
And in defense of RSf, a fellow language teacher, I don't see him trying "to oppose the concept of arguing for a particular extant construction," but rather as opposing the statement that in today's world, "he" does not imply maleness and those there is no need to consider other options, other tools that can aid the author to get his exact meaning across to readers. Those grammar rules were codified when female roles were quite limited in education as well in the workplace and the worlds of commerce, diplomacy, etc. 'He/she' is unwieldy in most cases, alternating 'she' and 'he' as some have done is very confusing, and choosing either 'he' or 'she' for an entire discourse that refers to people of both genders is either stubbornly traditional (!) or cutting-edge edgy, in my opinion. Thus two solutions: Avoid the sticking point if it's not awkward to do so, or use all plurals when referring to people in general.
semck83 (229 D(B))
08 Aug 12 UTC
Mujus,

As Legatus has already pointed out, the use of "he" has nothing whatever to do with "female roles" being "limited in education," etc. For example, in the 1940s, it would have been common to see such things as, "A nurse should be educated in a variety of skills so as best to take care of his patients," even though nursing was dominated by women in the 1940s. (I have seen such examples).

I already suggested by my double verb tenses that the status is less clear now than it was 50 years ago. Nonetheless, I think there is no ambiguity still in merely using "he." You may call me stubbornly traditional, but I simply find both of the alternatives you suggest aesthetically appalling. Call me what you will I suppose.
LegatusMentiri (100 D)
08 Aug 12 UTC
Usually when I want to avoid the gender issue, then I will just write it in such a way so as to say "one would want to avoid gender problems" or "one might say..."
semck83 (229 D(B))
08 Aug 12 UTC
Yeah, I do that quite a lot, Legatus. Problems only arise when you need to use the pronoun about five times in one sentence, at which point it sounds awful.
LegatusMentiri (100 D)
08 Aug 12 UTC
Well, that is when I'll change to a regular noun like "a typical person" or " the reader"
Mujus (1495 D(B))
09 Aug 12 UTC
Semck, why would I call you anything?? Based on your posts, I respect you a great deal. And please note that I used the impersonal third person "his" in my last post when I wrote "other tools that can aid the author to get his exact meaning across to readers." We just disagree is all. However, you stepped on my toes a bit because I'm the coauthor of a basic writing textbook in which this exact topic is addressed. Perhaps of interest is that in my students' writing, the main problem isn't with he/she/they--It's the use of you/your/yours as impersonal third-person pronouns or even as substitutes for I/me/my/mine.
Mujus (1495 D(B))
09 Aug 12 UTC
"From my position outside of the front of the building, you could see Tijuana and a giant Mexican flag right across the river bottom." To which I reply, "No I couldn't." or "'You' means 'you.'"
Mujus (1495 D(B))
09 Aug 12 UTC
Legatus, yes, avoiding the pronoun altogether is a strategy that often works well.
Mujus (1495 D(B))
09 Aug 12 UTC
I hear that some Girl Scout troops now accept males. Would it sound good to write "Each Girl Scout should bring his own sleeping bag and utensils?" lol
LegatusMentiri (100 D)
09 Aug 12 UTC
That's a good one Mujus!
@Mujus - You just pointed out another thing wrong with society today. When girl scouts were founded, they were for YOUNG FEMALES, now how the shit are males getting into girl scouts? Seriously, boy scouts are for YOUNG MALES. I remember on my U12 soccer team there was a freakin girl on the opposing team and it was male-only soccer. I was like 'what is wrong with her?'.
Draugnar (0 DX)
09 Aug 12 UTC
Equality sucks, don't it. Separate but equal was found to not be equal so now girls can join boys clubs and vice-versa. And gentlemen's clubs are no more in the US.
Timur (673 D(B))
09 Aug 12 UTC
@Mujus: "impersonal third-person pronouns"
It's called 'the Scottish you' as it's frequently used by Scots.
If there may be confusion, you (!) can add, after a statement like "You just don't know." "The Scottish you."
Draugnar (0 DX)
09 Aug 12 UTC
you can also be replaced by one. For instance "You need not do such and such" can be changed to "One need not do such and such".
Timur (673 D(B))
09 Aug 12 UTC
Probably because "Well, one just doesn't know, does one?" sounds terribly pompous, like 'the royal we', and unbefitting to the Scots character. We leave that to the Englanders.
LegatusMentiri (100 D)
09 Aug 12 UTC
I think we should all just go back to using 'thou' 'thy' and 'thee' for everything.
Timur (673 D(B))
09 Aug 12 UTC
Thou art indeed wise. Thy words are true. I thank thee for sharing them.
semck83 (229 D(B))
09 Aug 12 UTC
Mujus,

Sorry, I took the exclamation mark "is either stubbornly traditional (!)" to be an application of the phrase to this particular situation. Sorry if I was over-sensitive.

I guess, as you say, we disagree. Sorry for stepping on your toes, but I probably would disagree with the writing book you mention -- on this point. I didn't know you had written one though. I have no doubt at all it is excellent in just about every respect.

However, outstanding job using "his"! ; ) It is admittedly kind of ironic that I didn't even notice. Mea culpa and touche both.
@ Mujus, I've always felt that yes, while the use of "he" as a gender-neutral singular pronoun does speak on some level of underlying sexual inequity within our culture, it's so inanely academic as to be irrelevant to most members of the equal rights movement, who (I would hope) recognize that there are more pressing issues to tackle before we start discarding practical tools of language (particularly in the absence of suitable alternatives). Your suggestion of changing sentences like, "Every child should bring their notebook" to, "All the children should bring their notebooks" strikes me as a decent method to avoid taking a readily identifiable stance on the issue altogether, but it's not a fix applicable to all situations. I concede that, "Every child should bring his notebook" DOES sound a bit awkward, but I'd argue that it's only generally perceived in that way due to the rarity with which sentences are formed in that manner, not by any inherent "flaw" in their construction.

Aesthetic preferences aside, I think it boils down to the avoidance of ambiguity. Using "he" as the rules of grammar prescribe is the best way to convey thoughts involving gender-neutral singular third person pronouns that our language has to offer. Everything else is a compromise, and a compromise of understanding.
(Apologies in advance for probably misrepresenting your position. It's pretty cool how you helped write a grammar book, by the way)
Mujus (1495 D(B))
09 Aug 12 UTC
"I have no doubt at all it is excellent in just about every respect."

Semck, thank you for that rather faint praise. ;-)
Mujus (1495 D(B))
09 Aug 12 UTC
Narrator, I tend to agree with your point about compromises. Pesky gender issues! lol
Semck, maybe are both stubbornly traditional AND over-sensitive (your words in both cases), but that reality doesn't make me like you any less. ;-)
semck83 (229 D(B))
09 Aug 12 UTC
Mujus,

I don't think it's faint praise. I couldn't say "every" respect, obviously, having just said I disagreed with it on one point. ; )
semck83 (229 D(B))
09 Aug 12 UTC
(To your second post) Well, I don't consider myself stubbornly traditional -- but as I said, call me what you will. (This is exactly why I said that, and now you're calling me it, so I'm now confused why you were so upset that I to told you to call me what you would. You apparently DID intend to call me stubbornly traditional).

There are plenty of things that I think are not great about traditional ways, and traditional grammar. I make up my mind case by case. Here, I feel strongly that they happened to get it right, and the alternatives are inferior. That's all.

I perfectly well believe that you really think the alternatives are superior. I'm not going to call you an "insistent progressive." I'm happy to accept that people's opinions are often what they are, and don't necessarily rely on a particular attitude toward time or change.
Mujus (1495 D(B))
10 Aug 12 UTC
Hey, I said "maybe" you are. Just playin' witcha, Man! :-)
Mujus (1495 D(B))
10 Aug 12 UTC
Besides which, if you are stubborn, that's just the flip side of loyal. Like two sides of the same coin. :-)
semck83 (229 D(B))
10 Aug 12 UTC
Mujus,

Let us compromise on "resolute." ;-)
Putin33 (111 D)
10 Aug 12 UTC
The girlscouts accepted someone who is transgendered. Of course the reactionary troglodytes around here who endlessly reify silly gender dichotomies would have a problem with that. Heaven forbid the transgendered be included in anything.
Putin33 (111 D)
10 Aug 12 UTC
The girlscouts is the only youth organization that is worth a damn. They are always leading the charge for progress. They are the only organization I give money to.
Mujus (1495 D(B))
10 Aug 12 UTC
lol. Resolute, loyal, stubborn--all character traits that can be extremely useful as we go through life. :-)

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orathaic (1009 D(B))
13 Aug 12 UTC
Syria, a kurdish state, and the Turkish-US-Iraqi involvement...
www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-19197169

Any thoughts?
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dubmdell (556 D)
12 Aug 12 UTC
Bobby Fischer on chess
"[Capablanca] wanted to change the rules already, back in the twenties, because he said chess was getting played out. He was right. Now chess is completely dead. It is all just memorization and prearrangement. It’s a terrible game now. Very uncreative." from a radio interview, 2006

Thoughts?
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SantaClausowitz (360 D)
11 Aug 12 UTC
Mitt Romney Loses Election
In an election that will be decided by moderates, in a time where congress is less popular than communism Romney picks a staunchly right wing congressman
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NigeeBaby (100 D(G))
27 Jul 12 UTC
****London Olympics 2012****
Brilliant ...... 30 minutes to go before the opening ceremony and the heavens have opened. It wouldn't be England without rain :-)
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SantaClausowitz (360 D)
12 Aug 12 UTC
Black Knight Rises
*There will be Spoilers* I remember there was a thread a few weeks ago but I hadn't seen the movie yet so apologies if this has been done but I want to talk about the political vision in the movie.
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Invictus (240 D)
12 Aug 12 UTC
This is kind of neat
With Ryan on the Republican ticket, Barack Obama is the only Protestant in the 2012 election.
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Invictus (240 D)
10 Aug 12 UTC
Maybe we worry about the wrong things when it comes to China
http://thediplomat.com/2012/08/09/superpower-denied-why-chinas-rise-may-have-already-peaked/2/?all=true
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Svidrigailov (100 D)
12 Aug 12 UTC
Would anyone like to play a live one on one game on vDiplomacy?
post below if interested tonight.
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bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
12 Aug 12 UTC
International Power
It's no secret that Mitt Romney and the Republican party (for ages) has tried to establish its international power through hardnosed delegation, but is that even necessary?

http://globalpublicsquare.blogs.cnn.com/2012/08/09/world-to-america-we-want-soft-not-hard-power/?hpt=wo_r1
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Alderian (2425 D(S))
11 Aug 12 UTC
Updated Ghost Ratings
http://tournaments.webdiplomacy.net/theghost-ratingslist
http://tournaments.webdiplomacy.net/theghost-ratingslist/ghost-ratings-by-category
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orathaic (1009 D(B))
11 Aug 12 UTC
the what? Culture jamming
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culture_jamming
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Svidrigailov (100 D)
11 Aug 12 UTC
One on One Game on Vdiplomacy
http://www.vdiplomacy.com/board.php?gameID=9374
Germany vs. Italy
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Arcangel.7 (0 DX)
10 Aug 12 UTC
Live world game
Would anyone on the site be interested in playing a live game of world diplomacy? Ive never been in a live version of the variant but I think it would be very exciting and much better than an average live game, I understand it could probably take a lot longer to play than usual live games to but just want to see if members of the site are up for playing one?
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