You live in a dishonorable world. It was dishonorable to disarm Germany following World War I. It was dishonorable for Germany to respond the way they did; we all know the story from there. It was dishonorable to kill Caesar yet it was dishonorable of him to command and lead the largest genocide in human history in terms of population percentages. Don't know why we praise him. Point being that war is dishonorable, yet it is just and it is real. You'd better be happy this is a game because if a leader ever let something like that happen, he'd have been burned at the stake by now.

Whatever. I just needed to blow some steam off after losing like that. But you must also be willing to accept the consequences of stabbing, notably pissing people off and having them get in your face about it afterwards.

as for the Turkish cd, i geneally draw when there is a cd, but not when the game is so far in. If Turkey had been close to me, yes i would've. I simply used Turkey cd'ing to my advantage. In fact, it makes my win more impressive as i was able to convince Austria to help me rather than you

gameID=95181 join my live game and stop defending your completely acceptable options! Bohonk join so I can stab you :p

no Bohonk, i don't. most people are understainding enough to take a stab kindly. I never yelled at France for getting into London, and i never get pissed outside the game at them. It all depends if you accept lying as part of the game

War is certainly real, but almost never just bo_sox. It is not something to be revered or honored. It is cruel and tragic, something to be avoided at all costs. And we should hold ourselves as individuals and as a society to remain above the dehumanizing brutalities of war

I've won dishonorably and for which I sorely regret, but for the sake that the CD wouldn't just leave and stay away, I couldn't draw if I wanted to anyway (which I didn't, but that was when I sadly cared about points). That's a common situation. I am not going to get into Austria here, but I've played with him and think he's respectable enough to draw in that situation if you pressed the issue hard enough. I can't access the chat log so I may be wrong I guess.

I'm not pissed at you Fortress, at least not anymore ;). Just giving my opinions on honor, diplomacy, and war

Bellum iustum, Bohonk. Learn those words and live by them.

Yes yes, I was raised Catholic and know all about just war theory. It is a farce in order to justify atrocities.

just want to say, i find it interesting he just all debated stabbing and joined a non-anon game together :p

*we all just debated

I don't know if i will have time for your game though. Tyran. It is late and I have to work tomorrow.

Yes, Fortress, that's what I was thinking too.

Bohonk, if you don't CD, you're free to do as you will ;)

Lol yep. I'm shocked that many people and you and Bohonk joined XD

Eh, I guess I'll do it, but I'm going to be getting high the whole time

Suit yourself. I'd rather sleep if I have to work tomorrow.

Hey Fortress, you'd better change your profile. Solo as England.. "lying, backstabbing, honorless warmongerer"

... BRILLIANT! :D

maybe tomorrow :p.

Lol

@Bohonk and anyone that agrees with him:
The bottom line is that everyone is going to say what they can to get ahead in this game. Knowing who to trust and when to trust them is the highest element of this game--so much so that it comes as part of the game description on the game box itself. Each player has to enter the game believing that everyone else will lie to you given the right opportunity. Everyone will stab you in the back given the right opportunity. If you begin each game understanding this basic premise, then you get less angry and disappointed when it happens. If you try to play thos game playing for a draw because you don't want to lie and stab to win, then you're missing the goal of this game. I believe no honest wins exist. The only way a player can solo without lying is if several players CD around you which creates an "unfair" advantage, you only play with complete noobs, or you're playing a gunboat game. Take the stab as a learning experience about how this game is played, and move on. Some people have similar issues in other games. For example in Settlers of Catan, is it unethical to trade a player one resource for another only to play a monopoly for the resource(s) you gave away? It's not against the rules. In Monopoly, is it bad play to sit in jail intentionally to keep yourself from having to pay rent and watching the other players land on your spaces? What about not paying rent to a player who fails to notice you landed on his space? Each game has its own things which are permissible under the rules of the game and you have to expect that a player is going to take full advantage of anything available to them as long as the actions don't include any form of cheating.


In this game, lying and stabbing are sewn into its very roots. It's not only permissible, it is expected. Once you play with the understanding that the guy you're talking to might lie to you at any point, you will begin to pay closer attention to your own play and begin to safeguard yourself in case you might be lied to or set up for a stab.

@Fortress Door: he made a mistake, he trusted somebody - in a game of Diplomacy! That was silly.

"Diplomacy: A game of cunning and cleverness ... and perfectly-timed betrayal. Who do you trust?" - Avalon Hill.

"“Diplomacy is the art of telling people to go to hell in such a way that they ask for directions.”
― Winston S. Churchill"

That's from his profile. Discussion over.

"Diplomacy is the art of telling people to go to hell in such a way that they look forward to the trip"
Tyran

Indeed, hate the game not the player, if you must hate anything.

At least 3/4s of the fun in a face-to-face game is looking into someone's eyes and judging (s)he's lying or not...

OMG I GOT STABBED IN A LIVE GAME WITH BOHONK BUT BOHONK WAS ALREADY DEAD BECAUSE HE WAS YELLING AT EVERYONE AND THEN CRYING BECAUSE HE WASN'T WINNING AND NOW I GOT STABBED WAH WAH WAH WAH

XD I died too. But I'm crying on the inside...

Grow the fuck up Bitch Sox

At least you aren't telling us all how you're smoking your face off right now.