I can't wait until my generation, who has been bombarded with a bunch of religious bullshit for our entire lives, rules the political spectrum and completely fucks up everything that the Christian extremists have made people think they should believe.

Not all Christians are extremists. Most aren't. Same goes with Islam and Judaism… the extremists are real assholes. It's not only the Middle East that has that issue.

Putting "discovered" between quotation marks when the discussion turned to the "discovery" of "dinosaurs" was my favorite part. Perhaps we should tell the "authors" of this "schoolbook" that these "dinosaurs" were "discovered" through the same "scientific method" that allows us to advance "society".

lel dey talkin bout da baseddgod!! xDD

OMG ENOUGH ALREADY!!!! THIS THREAD IS SPAM!!!

Al threads are spam. There are no original topics on these threads.Duhh...

If all threads are spam why do you post in so many of them?

These are pretty obviously not textbooks used in public schools, but rather are for home-schooled kids and private religious schools. It does these kids no service to be taught this garbage, but the ha-ha-look-at-those-dumb-Louisiana-hicks-aren't-Christians-idiots tone of the thread is misplaced.

The funniest part is that the company that makes these books is called BJU Press, which is absolutely hilarious if you're aware of the Bijou Theater in Chicago, an infamous gay porn theater and sex club. I don't think these people are.

since these are not for Public schools (which it appears they are not) let me ask the next question. Shoudl they be banned from Home School teaching also? These answers should be interesting.

Yes, they should.

interesting. At the moment there are no laws in place for this, and there is roughly about 3.5 million home-schooled children in USA

So, let us say there is about 1.7 million families invovled in home schooling (it is probably less, but I went with 2 to 1)

it is ok for the government to tell them what to believe? Is that how I see it Jamie?

I THINk there would be some 1st amendment issues with banning of said materials, that is my opinion. the Moral issue of this is unimportant, I am more interested in what people here woudl be okay with the Government trampling over about 7 million peoples rights, just because they 'think' it is not right, or they do not agree with it.

So far jaime is okay with it. Anyone else?

@ stressedlines:

"At the moment there are no laws in place for this."

This is not entirely correct. As I understand it, the law on homeschooling in the US varies from state to state, but several US states do have laws regulating the curriculum that home-schooled students are allowed to be taught. According to prominent pro-homeschooling organisation the Home School Legal Defense Association (www.hslda.org), this is the case in North Dakota, New York, Vermont, Rhode Island, Pennsylvania, and Massachusetts. Several other states have at least some level of legislation in place controlling the circumstances in which children can be homeschooled. Others, such as Texas and Alaska, have no controls in place at all.

"there is roughly about 3.5 million home-schooled children in USA"

Out of interest, where are you getting this figure from? Did you just guess? What's your source? According to the US government the number is about 1.7 million. (SOURCE: http://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=91)

"It is ok for the government to tell them what to believe? Is that how I see it Jamie?"

I have no idea how you see it, but in *my* view, yes, it is reasonable for the state to have some influence over what home-schooled students should, and should not, be taught. Otherwise parents home-schooling could teach their children things which are misleading, incorrect, or downright harmful.

No they should not be banned. Home schooling is *private* schooling and the parents are allowed to teach the same curriculum that a private school would.teach. These books aren't required for home school teaching so you would be violatimg the parents freedom.of religion to ban these books in their homes. What's next? Ban the home from having a bible?

It really seems like the non-Christians just want something to bash. Can you name one job (other than preacher/priest) where my belief system would have any impact on my ability to do said job. Purple monkeys from Mars had babies and they were dinosaurs. There’s no scientific evidence because a great flood washed it all away. Blah, blah, blah. Intolerance at its best. We don’t want to believe what the Christians believe and we don’t want them to teach their children what they believe. Nice.

Why does anyone have the automatic right to pass their irrational, stupid beliefs on to their children?

What if a man believes that it's ok for men to beat their wives, and he decides to homeschool his son, and teach him to believe that it's ok to beat women too? He's just teaching his child what he believes!

Uh, because freedom of religion.

Didn;t see the second post yet. Beating women is not comparable to silly positions on dinosaurs. You know that.

There are times, Jamie, when you really scare me.

Why does anyone have the automatic right to pass their irrational, stupid beliefs on to their children?

Because that's a natural right of parents. Or, if you prefer, a God-given right.

What right is it of yours to interefer in the way a parent raises their children, irrational belief or not. The last place to control books like that was Nazi Germany. Do you really want to emulate Der fuhrer and ban books.in the home? The law can say what minimum must be taught and what texts must be used to teach it, but it cannot ban additional texts any more than.it could bam a bible or Amy other book in the home short of child pornography. And the only reason they get away with the later is because the act of creating CP is illegal. So unless the books is found to be made illegally, it cannot be banned in a private home.

@ The Czech: "Because that's a natural right of parents"

Why is it?

@ Draugnar: "What right is it of yours to interefer in the way a parent raises their children, irrational belief or not?"

I do not have that right, nor did I claim to have. But society, through the state, may have that power if the people consent to it.

@ Invictus: "Beating women is not comparable to silly positions on dinosaurs. You know that."

No, but the view was being expressed that parents have an automatic right to teach their children what to believe - irrespective of what that belief was. Some interpretations of the Koran hold that it is ok for men to beat their wives. I do not think it is right, in a civilized country, for children to be taught this, and I think the state has the right to intervene in such a case to protect women from the threat of domestic violence.

(I believe it's in Chapter 4, Verse 34 of most translations of the Koran, for reference. It says that if a woman misbehaves, a husband should first tell her off, then if she doesn't behave, lock her in her bedroom, and finally, if she still gives him lip, he should beat her - or words to that effect)

Jamiet is teaching us the logical fallacy of the slippery slope.

@Jamiet99uk why isn't it?

@ The Czech: I asked you first.

I don't have to defend natural rights. They're natural.