Yes.

thank you RommelItastic

this site is filled with a bunch of lying, backstabbing, honorless warmongerers

so you are saying you solo'ed without stabbing anyone? I find that really hard to believe

and you discussed a three-way draw this game, and solo'ed. How is my case any different?

http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=94688&viewArchive=Messages

hardly any of you have but a shred of dignity. a promise is a promise and to break it, even in diplomacy, is to commit a dishonorable act. oh sure, it may win you some games, but it is a despicable way to win, a disgusting way to live. may all stabbers, liars, snitches and sneaks rue their actions and forever be shunned as such

so refute your solo's when you said you would three-way draw

in that game Fortress, i told him i was going to do it before i did. he knew the whole time what would happen if i got to that point. plus he is a good friend and we have an understanding in this such as this

things such as this*

Uhhhh… I'd think a player that's been around would not only be used to a stab, but PROTECT AND DEFEND against one. You left the whole French mainland open and you complain about him taking it? Stop crying. Here's a cookie.

but it doesn't change the fact you lied. I thought for sure the convoy into Belgium meant the move to Burgundy. Does that mean it didn't count?

@bo_sox +1. The only thing i find sad is that i didn't take it earlier, he actually accepted the convoy into Belgium and the fleet build in London

i don't understand what you are saying the last post Fortress

Haha stabbing is part of the game

I will try to explain it better

correct me if i am wrong, but what you are saying is that it doesn't count if you think the other guy knows what will happen. That is how i understand it

It takes a lot of skill as a player to solo as England in the first place in my opinion, but to do it confined to a lonely island and a few relatively useless Scandinavian territories is impressive. He allied with you to prevent Germany from running away with the game and then he took advantage of a stupid move on your part. Don't criticize me for calling it stupid because it was. Leave him an opening like that and there's no reason he wouldn't take it.

and i actually only stabbed twice, one with Germany and one with you. The only sad things are that i was able to get away with it with Germany and that is worked on you

i didn't think you would stab me actually. i trusted you. which is why i backed out of Mid Atlantic. but in reference to the other game where i told him, that is a very specific scenario with a good friend, we have a certain understanding which encompasses yet goes beyond this game. and he stabbed me for the win the last time we played together so i was merely showing him what it was like because he is new to the game and had not yet been stabbed

Pardon, I hadn't meant to pick a side. I just planned to say "yes" before you posted anything, but was too slow.

As for what went on...

Because most players do not Metagame on this site, it is safe to say that Backstabbing, lying, and being completely unethical is okay IF it wins you the game or ensures you a spot in the draw (somehow).

In real life games, the dynamic shifts because even if players do not meta-game, they remember who stabs, and who is honest. In these cases, stabbing is a calculated risk where you take the victory in one game to potentially harm yourself in the future.

But really, FD is in the right here. He stabbed, he won, how could he possibly have "won better"? This is a game of making friends UNTIL you can crawl over their corpses to victory.

And stop arguing about who lied. What happened happened. Nothing FD says will convince you to trust him again in non-anon games, and nothing you say will make FD admit to being heartless.

i did the move because i was trying to keep the peace between us. i guess i could take a lesson from neville chamberlin. appeasement does not work

thank you bo_sox, i never actually thought i was going to be able to solo it :p. I am just lucky Gemrany was a noob and Italy was far too trusting

And speaking of not metagaming, "a certain understanding which encompasses yet goes beyond this game" is metagaming. Just FYI...

There aren't many games where one can solo without a stroke of luck. Italy, if you want my opinion, it's your fault you didn't push for a draw once Turkey CD'd. It started a war you didn't want. Beyond that, you made a mistake.

but sometimes you need a border guard. Like i had with Austria towards the end of the game

and bo_sox, i did plan to three-way it, then Austria asked for a stab on Italy. Normally i wouldn't but Italy didn't really send all that much press and i had nothing to lose. Italy put draw up as soon as i stabbed him

RommelItastic, I take your point. Perhaps then the problem is this game. I game which teaches one that lying and stabbing are the ways to victory. It is a game which teaches dishonorable actions.

then if you don;t like the game leave, Bohonk. Or else only do gunboats

and, of course now, i will never play non-anon with Bohonk again. Since he is making such a big fuss out of it