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Sicarius (673 D)
09 Nov 11 UTC
10 reasons history will judge America as one of the most brutal empires in history
Thoughts? Additions?
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Sicarius (673 D)
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1. Support of Dictators: For all the happy talk of spreading Democracy and protecting human rights, the empire has repeatedly not only supported dictators, but in many cases overthrew popularly elected leaders and replaced them with puppet tyrants. Examples range from secretly funding the Nazis, to installing the Shah in Iran, Pinochet in Chile, supporting Musharraf in Pakistan, and their everlasting love affair with the brutal Saudi royal family, to name a few. Actions speak louder than words to those who can navigate the storm of propaganda with a moral compass set to recognize good from evil. Dictators and freedom cannot coexist.

2. Preemptive Wars of Aggression: It could be said that all wars are preemptive in nature because so many entities benefit from war. Yet, even before America's latest crusades, they covertly and surgically attacked countries that never threatened them. This allowed them to maintain the moral high road in the public's eye while constructing the foundation of their empire. That was until the Bush Doctrine; the use of preemptive military action to confront possible threats was unofficially adopted to be the new foreign policy for combating terror. Since then, America has become the violent aggressors, having officially invaded two countries -- Afghanistan and Iraq -- without legitimate provocation. Violent aggressors have always been judged by history as evil. But it gets worse....

3. Torture: Torture has never been acceptable by those promoting a high moral standing in the global community. Nazis and Japanese soldiers were convicted and executed for engaging in the exact same torture techniques that America has redefined as 'enhanced interrogation'. "I was just following orders," was not a justifiable excuse for such inhumane behavior, much like it wasn't a good enough defense for the low-ranking patsies who took the heat for the sinister Abu Ghraib torture scandal even though their actions were approved at the highest levels. Can state-sanctioned torture of prisoners held without charges ever be viewed as anything less than brutal?

4. Suppression of Dissent: All tyrannical regimes throughout history have suppressed homeland dissent. As government oppression grows bolder at home and abroad, more citizens will naturally express outrage, resulting in even more oppressive controls. This is happening in the United States through the all-seeing eye of the Department of Homeland Security with warrantless spying, arbitrary watch lists, citizen spy campaigns, and TSA molestation to travel anywhere. Additionally, in an attempt to squash free speech, they arbitrarily seize websites and violently confront peaceful protesters. Unfortunately, as awareness of the topics in this very article expands, the U.S. will likely become even bolder in their pursuit of stifling dissent. In other words, the worst is yet to come, and history will judge the U.S. as not quite the beacon of freedom they have pretended to be.

5. Elimination of Habeas Corpus: Say goodbye to the notion of being innocent until proven guilty, the right to face charges and your accuser, and the right to a free and fair trial. Habeas corpus, considered the only humane path to "which a prisoner can be released from unlawful detention," has been eliminated for those vaguely labeled 'enemy combatants' of the empire. As Guantanamo prisoners rot under such pretenses, prominent lawmakers in the empire propose the exact same lack of rights for American citizens if they're labeled an 'enemy belligerent'. Similar to the Spanish Inquisition, now you're guilty until you're tortured to admit your guilt. Can it get more evil? Why yes, it can. Read on.

6. Assassinating Citizens: That's right. No judge, no jury, no conviction; just straight to execution. America has set another precedent in their tyrannical march toward empire when they openly assassinated an American citizen and government patsy, Anwar al-Awlaki, and his teenage son on the suspicion of terrorism. Paul Craig Roberts laments "Now the US government not only can seize a US citizen and confine him in prison for the rest of his life without ever presenting evidence and obtaining a conviction, but also can have him shot down in the street or blown up by a drone." Isn't this the reason America claims to be knocking off dictators around the world -- the deliberate killing of their own citizens?

But Awlaki was a bad apple because the intelligence community said so. What's most telling that America will continue this wickedness is that almost every US lawmaker turned a blind eye to the grotesque violation of Constitutional rights. Only Ron Paul said that assassinating an American citizen without charges is nothing less than an "impeachable offense". Too bad most of the country cheered the Awlaki killing as a "victory" in the war on terror, indicating that it is now an acceptable tactic. Americans beware: you may be moved from a secret watch list to a secret kill list in this brutal empire.

7. Unauthorized Drone Wars: Unprovoked wars without authorization, accountability, or independent oversight only seem to be escalating; and with little resistance. The US Congress no longer votes to "declare war". They simply give the Commander in Chief broad "authorization" to use force against specific nations. However, even that is not broad enough in the rapid pursuit of empire. Now, joystick warriors directed by the CIA and Pentagon have targeted at least three countries with "unauthorized" military strikes; Pakistan, Yemen, and Somalia. Even worse, they waged a full-scale war for regime change and resource plundering in Libya without any authority inside the United States. Under the NATO flag, which is 75% funded by the U.S., they flew over 9200 strike sorties in Libya to illegally topple Gaddafi. Drunk with success, the bloodthirsty empire marches on to their next preemptive targets, Syria and Iran. Quick morality check: unprovoked killing and stealing as a first resort is still wrong, right?

8. Use of Weapons of Mass Destruction: How ironic that the world's policeman for weapons of mass destruction is the only one to use them on a mass scale. The United States is on record using chemical, biological and even nuclear weapons. From the atomic bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki in WWII, to Monsanto's Agent Orange in Vietnam, to the depleted uranium used in Afghanistan and Iraq, America only condemns itself when speaking about the evils of WMDs. However, killers don't appear to care how the killing is accomplished, so long as it achieves their goals. The real firecrackers will likely be brought out in a confrontation with Iran, or if China and Russia are lured into the conflict. It won't really matter much what history says if the use of WMD escalates by either side, but the aggressors should rightly be blamed for the ensuing scorched earth, while the defenders against killers and thieves should be viewed as righteous.

9. World's Largest Drug Dealer: The American empire is the largest drug dealer in the world? Say it isn't so. Well, in addition to forcing legal drugs and genetically modified organisms on nations, usually under the cover of foreign aid, America also leads in the illegal drug trade. In fact, many researchers reveal that the war on drugs is only utilized to control and monopolize the illicit drug trade. The US government has been caught multiple times shipping in cocaine, colluding with certain cartels to control the industry, and now openly protects and transports opium from Afghanistan. In fact, Global Research points out that in 2001, "according to UN figures, opium production had fallen to 185 tons. Immediately following the October 2001 US led invasion, production increased dramatically, regaining its historical levels." This month, the U.N. announced that Afghanistan now provides 93% of the world's opium production; up 61% compared to 2010 to a whopping 5800 tonnes. Although the empire tries to keep it secret, they can't hide the hypocrisy forever.

10. World Reserve Currency Prison: Although using Weapons of Mass Debt is a non-violent form of expanding the empire, it's perhaps the most brutal and effective form of control. Requiring foreign nations to purchase oil and other imported commodities with US dollars wields immense power. Because all nations must acquire dollars to purchase critical resources, they quickly become indebted to the US Federal Reserve, their affiliate central banks, and the IMF. Before long, the entire world is colonized by debt. It seems that only the nations that don't need or refuse credit from Western banking institutions are the ones in danger of facing the wrath of the imperial war machine. Incidentally, most oil-rich nations in the Middle East have outlawed usury (lending money with interest), making them impossible to conquer diplomatically through debt. Controlling the world reserve currency means controlling the tap of life itself, which is a dangerous weapon in the hands of an aggressive empire. Debt is the ultimate WMD the empire uses to enslave the world, which leaves dissidents with two clear choices: slavery or death.
Your an idiot.
Ahem, sorry, my English slipped. You*'re* an idiot.
hahahahaha, YOU calling sic an idiot? hahahaha fuck off and go flush your head down the toilet.
I bet I can tell exactly who you are without even thinking. You probably have long dyed black hair, have multiple facial piercing and 'edgy' tattoos, judging by your points-- you are probably Middle Eastern or are an American of Middle Eastern descent, you probably like some fool like Chavez or Gibran, you write 'cool' and 'revolutionary' thoughts on your skin in permanent marker or on posters and hang it from the walls of either a hovel (if you are Middle Eastern) or a studio apartment (if you are American). I also bet you claim to be a member of Anonymous.

Shut up, and grow up. I have spent time in the Arab world, and I have nothing but respect for the people, but you, look at you! You claim how horrible torture is, but condemn the US for invading countries like Iraq or Afghanistan that have regimes that torture their own citizens. While in Afghanistan, I saw a woman who had been burned with chemicals that had been stolen from back during the Soviet invasion. She was still alive but had no ears, and the flesh of her cheeks gave way to see burnt bone. Her eye had been burnt with a coating of charred flesh over it. She was blind in that eye. You ask why this had happened; for a man claimed that she had been having sexual relations with his son. There was no proof, and no evidence, but they had no care and did it anyway. To you, I say, go fuck yourself.
@When I say I have respect for them, I mean the ones that deserve to be respected.
Sicarius (673 D)
09 Nov 11 UTC
Totally wrong herr, maybe you should ditch the stereo-types, iy makes you look like a douche.

So.... its ok for the USA to torture, as long as it tortures citizens of countries who have been subjected to it by previous rulers? is that your point???
i think the point was: the US condemns such treatment of others, yet practises torture on those they label 'terrorists'. That was the point. Dickhead.
No, my point is you either hate all torture or you hate no torture, there is no in-between.

And with more research (i.e.: your private website, I found that I was right on all facts except you living in a hovel or studio apartment, as it looks bigger) You even mention Gibran being your favourite poet/ author! What an idiot was he! "PEACE TO THE WORLD; UNLESS IT IS THE OTTOMANS, YOU CAN KILL THEM!"

Bah! Both you and him are full of hypocrisy. Hate not a country, but the actions they commit! A country is not universal, but actions are!
Also, for saying completely wrong when it was almost completely right, that makes you a liar, at that redeem yourself before a point of yours can be taken seriously. What was the purpose of lying?
TheUnforsaken (100 D)
09 Nov 11 UTC
Humans are involved, its never going to be pretty.

That said, the Americans have probably done rather less damage than any other cultural grouping would have with the same disparity in power and with the same technology. Particularly the other cultural groups that might have actually had a chance of achieving such a disparity.
Sicarius (673 D)
09 Nov 11 UTC
Whats the point of looking up my art page to find a bunch of things about me, then come to the forum and list them, throw in some cliches, incorrectly guess my ethnicity, wait ten minutes and claim you could guess everything about me? Are you trying to make me look stupid? I guess its up for others to decide if you succeeded or not. Ultimately though it seems the crux of your argument is that arabs are culturally inferior, torture is ok because someone is doing it somewhere, and nothing I say matters because I like a turn of the century poet. way to take the high ground.
Sicarius (673 D)
09 Nov 11 UTC
"judging by your points-- you are probably Middle Eastern or are an American of Middle Eastern descent"

So what ideas you have are determined by skin color? lol and I'm the idiot?.
When did I ever say Arabs are culturally inferior, I never said torture is okay, and that nothing matters because you like a idiotic poet who knew not what he was talking about. In three points I shall rip your rebuttal to shreds.

1) I said that I respected Arabs who deserve respecting and enjoy some of their culture. Others, like the story with the girl is just as despicable as what you claim Americans do. There for, you can't claim them to be the worst if you have not deeply compared them to another on similar levels.

2) I said you either disprove of ALL torture, or you don't complain about any of it. It is not okay for the US to do, AND it is not okay for the countries they invade to do it. You can't just claim that the US is bad because they do it, as you completely forget to mention that the people you are defending do the exact same thing... sometimes to their own people.

3) It does not make you wrong, but instead removes your credibility as you completely lied about it. It was stereotypes that I went off of, but how many of such turned out to be correct. Let me guess, you also either did not vote in your last election, or voted Libertarian. (PS: To those of you who keep PMing me, I do not vote Nationaldemokratische Partei Deutschlands, I am not a Nazi, stop messaging saying such.)
"So what ideas you have are determined by skin color? lol and I'm the idiot?."

No, but your argument is very one sided. You mention a lot of how America was wrong to invade Iraq and Afghanistan. You seem to have a lot of support for Middle Eastern nations. Ergo, with a guess, you are probably Middle Eastern. You are trying to paint me as the racist and it is failing as I did not do such from race, but instead point of view.
Sicarius (673 D)
09 Nov 11 UTC
"Also, for saying completely wrong when it was almost completely right, that makes you a liar, at that redeem yourself before a point of yours can be taken seriously. What was the purpose of lying?"

I have never dyed my hair, I have no piercings (wait except my ears), my tattoos arnt edgy, I'm not middle eastern, I dont like chavez or write 'revolutionary' slogans on my skin, dont live in a hovel or studio apt. or claim to be a member of anonymous.
So yeah you're wrong.
BUT
even if you were right, you would still just be personally insulting me and eschewing the actual argument, except for your brief psuedo-racist brushing off 'other people are doing it'
Judging by the pictures you display on your personal site, you have lip and nose piercing also, and spray painted in red the slogan of Anonymous displayed. You openly discuss Anarchy on multiple occasions. I'm pretty sure that counts.
Sicarius (673 D)
09 Nov 11 UTC
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just because you claim to respect someone doesnt make it true. and judging by your condescension, I would hazard a guess that you hold some prejudice attitudes. Like, I think the imperialist invasion of two soverign countries (not so great places, sure) is questionable, therefore I must be of the ethnic group being invaded. ummm...... maybe its just wrong in general to kill massive amounts of people for no reason.
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what have I said that would make you think I condone any torture? I dont. Thats sort of..... the whole point. I dont think it's ok for anyone to torture another, under any circumstances. What is with the black and white thinking??? the US vs. them? just because I think its wrong for americans to torture, therefore I must think its ok for the taliban to torture? you have some fucked up logic, yo.
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yes... "turned out" to be correct. You were just guessing about my hair color, then, whoa, you totally by chance and coincidence, find a a picture of me. You were just guessing I like gibran, then oh so strangely you find a website where that is the only author I list.
what an amazing coincidence.

"You seem to have a lot of support for Middle Eastern nations. Ergo, with a guess, you are probably Middle Eastern. You are trying to paint me as the racist "
No, you are painting yourself.
YOU STILL AREN'T GETTING MY POINT! YOU CAN'T CONDEMN ONE GROUP FOR DOING SOMETHING THAT THE GROUP YOU ARE PRAISING DOES! THAT IS HYPOCRISY! THAT IS STUPID!
stratagos (3269 D(S))
09 Nov 11 UTC
You're... joking, right?

First off, you think drone attacks are a bigger black eye than slavery and the genocide of the American Indians?

Secondly, have you looked at a couple of historical figures? Try googling the body count of the mongol horde, or a little chap named Hitler.

If you're just looking at *brutality*, of course, I challenge you to name a non- brutal empire.

Seriously Sic, this was weak sauce, even you should be able to acknowledge your premise is flawed.
Sicarius (673 D)
09 Nov 11 UTC
Um thats a really old picture, those slogans are older than anonyamous, and 'openly disscussing anarchy' isnt synanamous with membership in any group i know of. Anyway, you are purposefully ignoring my points to attack my fashion choice? my taste in poetry? I can tell you must have a well thought out intelligent rebuttal you are sitting on.... right?
Sicarius (673 D)
09 Nov 11 UTC
Um my point isnt that the USA is satan embodied. I'm not saying no one in history ever did anything that could compare to the crimes of the US. That is not my premise. You misunderstand.

I'm not saying its the worst, just bad.
Gibran is a well known (like Chavez) left wing poet.

I was referring more to the fact that you probably were a member of the social group that in the US I believe they call "emo", as they have a tendency to be left wing.

And I guess the fact that I take travel to the Middle East regularly, have a tattoo on my left wrist that is the word "Passion" in Arabic, have a Turkish Brother-in-law who I frequently go skiing with, and am staunchly anti-NPD (Aka, those who are Racist against all whites) makes me a total racist. Yep, thats me guys. I must really hate Near-Easterns.
Sicarius (673 D)
09 Nov 11 UTC
lol
"history will judge America as one of the most brutal empires in history"

"I'm not saying no one in history ever did anything that could compare to the crimes of the US"

"I'm not saying its the worst, just bad."

Sudden change in voice much?
Sicarius (673 D)
09 Nov 11 UTC
"history will judge America as one of the most brutal empires in history"

America as one of the most brutal

as one of the most

one of the

"Sudden change in voice much?"
um.. no
Sicarius (673 D)
09 Nov 11 UTC
An ad hominem (Latin for "to the man" or "to the person"), short for argumentum ad hominem, is an attempt to negate the truth of a claim by pointing out a negative characteristic or belief of the person supporting it.[1] The ad hominem is normally described as a logical fallacy
"One of the most"

Implying well above average.

"I'm not saying no one in history ever did anything that could compare to the crimes of the US"

Nope, just very few is what you are saying.

"I'm not saying its the worst, just bad."

You just said it was one of the worst.
"An ad hominem (Latin for "to the man" or "to the person"), short for argumentum ad hominem, is an attempt to negate the truth of a claim by pointing out a negative characteristic or belief of the person supporting it.[1] The ad hominem is normally described as a logical fallacy"

"crux of your argument is that arabs are culturally inferior"

And you attempting to twist my arguments to say that I hate Arabs isn't?
Sicarius (673 D)
09 Nov 11 UTC
There is a difference between "the" worst, and "one of the" worst. yeah I would say USA is above average in brutality. Anyway the idea was to show a few ways the US is fucked up, not to show which actions in the entirety of human history that were worse. Does Guantanamo bay compare to the spanish inquisition:? not even close. Is the invasion of Iraq the same as the invasion of [insert whatever historical atrocity here]? probably not. But these things are happening now, by an existing empire. If you compare any modern event to the brutality in history you can always make it pale by comparison.

So yeah, the crusades were much worse than drone strikes in [5] countires, but one os happening right now, and one happened thousands of years ago.

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I've decided to play a game...
join if you like. 750 buy-in. anon. WTA. classic. 48 hour phases.

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vamosrammstein (757 D(B))
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Joe Paterno
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taos (281 D)
09 Nov 11 UTC
midle east gameers only
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jdog97 (100 D)
11 Nov 11 UTC
Fun Game
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11 Nov 11 UTC
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11 Nov 11 UTC
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JohnnyB (0 DX)
10 Nov 11 UTC
come on then...
if u think u got what it takes..

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jdog97 (100 D)
10 Nov 11 UTC
New game
Join world war three. Cheep classic game starts at 8 still need 6 people.
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General Maximus (1715 D)
10 Nov 11 UTC
New Game:
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25 to join. 36 hr rounds. Just need one more player.
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jdog97 (100 D)
10 Nov 11 UTC
games
Join World war three in the next 10 minutes
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10 Nov 11 UTC
Multi Accounting Cheating Bastard!
Read within
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Spartan22 (344 D)
10 Nov 11 UTC
How to contact a mod
I am wondering how you contact a mod for an issue within a game. Our game was paused by the Webdiplomacy system and we have 2 NMRs that won't be able to vote unpause. I assume a mod would be able to fix the issue, however I don not know how to contact one. Any help would be appreciated
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taos (281 D)
09 Nov 11 UTC
moral dilema
if i am playing anonimous game and i discovered who is one of the players and know him well(very close friend)
how should i act?
cancel the game?
is not fair for the rest of the players
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kestasjk (95 DMod(P))
10 Nov 11 UTC
Disk space issues
Details on the disk space issues, which caused a freeze on game processing, within.
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orathaic (1009 D(B))
07 Nov 11 UTC
Companies oppose legislation...
http://www.advocate.com/News/Daily_News/2011/11/04/Google_Microsoft_Starbucks_Say_DOMA_Hurts_Their_Businesses/

isn't it normal for companies to buy politicians and pay lobbiest to do this sort of thing?
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Mujus (1495 D(B))
10 Nov 11 UTC
Game 69351 Problem with Pause
Game 69351 says it's paused, but it's not, or at least, it accepted my orders. The players didn't pause it, so I don't know what's up.
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abgemacht (1076 D(G))
09 Nov 11 UTC
RPN
So, this thread may be a flop, but I'll try anyway.

Are there any RPN users out there? If so, which calculator do you have?
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Tolstoy (1962 D)
10 Nov 11 UTC
Help!
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=69351
Orders were processed and the turn progressed, but the map won't draw.
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idealist (680 D)
10 Nov 11 UTC
anyone up for gunboat live tonight?
if so, post and we'll make a game
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Owerbart (484 D)
09 Nov 11 UTC
Cheating?
Ok, first of all, I'm not mad about the game, but look at England and France:
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=71918
Is really THAT much of coordination possible in a gunboat? I think they are communicating with each other or it's the same person.
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goldfinger0303 (3157 DMod)
09 Nov 11 UTC
The Masters: I need emails!
Hey, so to get this running as easy as possible for me, I'll need all of your emails so I can contact you directly, rather than PM'ing all 49 of you several times each
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Ges (292 D)
09 Nov 11 UTC
A consequential voting day?
Tuesday was weirdly quiet in California. Usually we have a host of ballot initiatives, the evil intentions of which are only partially masked by their purposefully poor writing. Any other 'Murcans, except for Buckeyes, have a lot at stake on Tuesday?
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Jacob (2466 D)
09 Nov 11 UTC
Momentum and Efficiency
Do you have trouble growing quickly? Do you hang on for one or two thirds of the game but never really get anywhere? Do you find yourself participating in a lot of draws as a minor power or simply being eliminated much of the time? Help is within..
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Slyguy270 (527 D)
09 Nov 11 UTC
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