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gryncat (2606 D)
05 May 08 UTC
Hammer of Thor
Kestas,
We have reached a mutual draw in the follow game. Please divide the points. Thanks.

http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=3484&msgCountry=Global

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swampy11 (0 DX)
05 May 08 UTC
A password protected game
A friend has posted a password protected game and has given me the name of the game and the password to join, but I can not find the game. How do I find a password protected game?
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yellowpajamasson (1019 D)
04 May 08 UTC
Has anyone ever started this well?
I am playing with Treefarn, who has won four of six completed games so far. Does this site have a rookie-of-the-year award? Does anyone else know of such a good streak at the beginning of a "career"?
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Ed Poon (100 D)
06 May 08 UTC
Question about a move in game id #3643
My army in Ruhr moved to Munich with support from Burgandy.
Germany moved Holland to Ruhr with support from Kiel and moved Munich to Burgandy.
That being the case, shouldn't I hold Munich with my army from Ruhr?
Any help or explanation would be appreciated.
Thanks
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Blackheath Wanderer (0 DX)
05 May 08 UTC
Irelande Douze Points
A 20 points to join WTA game for all you Eurovision fans out there :)
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Blackheath Wanderer (0 DX)
05 May 08 UTC
The map colours
Why is is that Crete and Sardinia remain neutrally coloured throughout the game?

Is it possible to link Crete into the same colour as Greece and Sardinia the same colour as Rome?
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wawlam59 (0 DX)
05 May 08 UTC
surprise, surprise, where am I? just vanished?
see here

http://www.phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=2378

It is a game you can find in my finished games list. Only six powers can be seen, excluding me. Where am I? Have you ever come across this?

Anyone can help?
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McCain (100 D)
04 May 08 UTC
How do you play the mid-game
looking for a little advice
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VintageMarinara (0 DX)
05 May 08 UTC
This is rediculous.
http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=3714

All 6 guys, other then myself, were logged on at the same time and they are all moving towards me. Coincidental? I think not.
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cgwhite32 (1465 D)
24 Apr 08 UTC
New UN Variant Game
If interested, see in thread for details:
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hippykin (100 D)
03 May 08 UTC
Boris...hahaha!
This is not another "look how controversial i am thread".
i invite you to discuss the election of Boris Johnston as mayor of London and the impending demise of the UK labour party .
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Chairman Mao (340 D)
04 May 08 UTC
Stagger the Lier
In the game Stay on These Roads,
http://www.phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=3326&msgCountry=Global

I am playing England, and Stagger the Lier is Turkey, we have reached an agreement of drawing, then a new Russia came in, we fought till he died, still bearing the draw agreement, now that he has 17 and i have 17, i asked about our agreement, and its gone. I played so that we are going to have a nice draw, he then takes such advantage of a good ol' agreement and fights....

He said to Me "Autumn 1911: Yes, we'll draw once Russia is gone."
I asked the Public "Autumn 1912: Are we for a DRAW?"
He replied "Autumn 1912: I'm afraid not. sorry. But you'll still get a ton of points."

(Public Messages can be confirmed by Wombat, playing the Russian character)

NEVER, NEVER, PLAY STAGGER THE LIER
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Croaker (370 D)
04 May 08 UTC
Synchronize Your Dogmas: 75 points to enter
Looking for players willing to commit to an entire game. If you're going to walk away:
- the first time something doesn't go your way
- when someone captures one of your home centers
- when you've lost, rather than gained a center in a turn
- your closest, personal friend since you were both wee diplomats stabs you

...then please do not join.

Liars welcome.
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carnivalmafia (847 D)
04 May 08 UTC
Rising Tide: High stakes game 225 pts to enter!
Looking for quality players, for a quality game!
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Blackheath Wanderer (0 DX)
04 May 08 UTC
100 points
How come my score keeps resetting up to 100?
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Medi (280 D)
04 May 08 UTC
My Internet is broken. (unprintable words go here)
So, yeah. For some reason, my Internet has become unbearably slow recently - to the extent that it takes fifteen minutes to load a single page. ETA until fix is unknown. I should be able to finish both of my current games, but this means I'm going to have to pull out of the UN game, which is really inconvenient as I joined yesterday. I apologize for that, and hope you'll forgive me.
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Blackheath Wanderer (0 DX)
04 May 08 UTC
Points
When you win a game or survive a game, when do the points appear next to your name?
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el_maestro (14722 D(B))
04 May 08 UTC
Move explaination in Small stakes game
In the following game Small stakes Spring 1909
http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=3504

Italy's Move
F Spain South Cost moves to MAO supported by F portugal

German's move
F irich sea moves to MAO supported by F ENG

This output was German got the MAO
Should'nt be a stand-off with no one in MAO ?

Thanks


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Churchill (2280 D)
04 May 08 UTC
Possible order bug?
This is for the coders:
Is it normal that I can input this order, "F(NTH) s A(Den) - SKA" into the system and finalise it. I have put this in step by step and updated after each new selection before finalising.
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canute (0 DX)
03 May 08 UTC
New Game- participants pls respond: Sagittarius
Password to be given to reasonably competitive people of my choosing.
Names and reasons for wanting to join welcome!!

Teams NON negotiable- are:

* England and France
*Germany and Russia
*Austria and Turkey

*Italy mercenary.

NON NEGOTIABLE- JOIN if you dare
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Sicarius (673 D)
28 Apr 08 UTC
the police
only participate in this thread if you can remain level headed, and your posts are intelligent and thought provoking. Only participate if you respect ad hominem, and will attack the argument not the arguer
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Sicarius (673 D)
28 Apr 08 UTC
Criticism of opposition to the police usually falls into one of five categories. The first common argument is that the police, as our fellow workers, are also exploited members of the proletariat, and should therefore be our allies. Unfortunately, there is a vast gap between “should” and “is.” The police exist to enforce the will of the powerful; anyone who has not had a bad experience with them is likely either privileged or submissive. Today’s police officers, at least in North America, know exactly what they’re getting into when they join the force; people in uniform don’t just get cats out of trees in this country. Yes, most take the job because of what they feel to be economic necessity, but needing a paycheck is no excuse for obeying orders to evict families, harass young men of color, or pepper spray demonstrators; those whose consciences can be bought are everyone else’s enemies, not potential allies.

This argument could be more persuasive if it was couched in strategic terms, rather than Marxist abstractions: for example, “Every revolution succeeds at the moment the armed forces refuse to make war on their fellows; therefore we should focus on seducing the police to our side of the barricades.” But again, the police are not just any workers; they are the ones who have most deliberately chosen to base their livelihoods and value systems upon the prevailing order, and thus are the least likely to be sympathetic to those who struggle against hierarchy. This being the case, it makes sense to focus on opposing the police as such, not on seeking solidarity with them. So long as they serve their masters, they cannot be our allies; by publicly deriding the police as an institution, we encourage individual police officers to seek other employment, so we can find common cause with them.

The second argument is that the police can win any confrontation, so we shouldn’t invest ourselves in strategies that involve confronting them. Some people are thrilled when the Zapatistas or others far away in space, time, and culture confront and defeat their oppressors, and gladly use the photographs from those engagements to illustrate their publications, but oppose doing anything of the sort here in the heart of the beast, where the powers that would destroy the Zapatistas and others are most deeply rooted.. It may seem that, with all their guns and armor and equipment, the police are invincible, but this is an illusion. They are limited by all sorts of invisible constraints—bureaucracy, public opinion, their own need to avoid inconvenient escalation. This is why a motley crowd armed only with the tear gas canisters shot at them can hold off a larger, more organized, better equipped force; contests between social unrest and military might are not played out according to the rules of military engagement.

Those who have studied the police, who can predict what they are prepared for and what they can and cannot do, can usually outsmart and outmaneuver them. Such small victories can be inspiring for those who chafe under the heel of police repression, as well as instrumental in accomplishing concrete goals. In the collective unconscious of our society, the police are the ultimate bastion of reality, the force that ensures that things stay the way they are; to fight them and win, however temporarily, is to show that reality is negotiable.

The third argument is that the police are a mere distraction from the real enemy, not worth our wrath or attention. Alas, state power is not just the politicians; they would be powerless without the millions who do their bidding. When we contest their control, we are also contesting the submission of their flunkies, and we are sure sooner or later to come up against those of the latter who insist on submitting. That being said, it’s true that the police are no more integral to hierarchy than the oppressive dynamics in our own communities; they are simply the external manifestation, on a larger scale, of the same phenomena. If we are to contest hierarchy everywhere, rather than specializing in combating certain forms of it while leaving others unchallenged, we have to be prepared to take it on both in the streets and in our own bedrooms; we can’t expect to win on one front without fighting on the other. We shouldn’t fetishize confrontations with uniformed foes, we shouldn’t forget the power imbalances in our own ranks—but neither should we be content merely to manage the details of our own oppression in a non-hierarchical manner Just as there is a sort of person who would rather physically fight external enemies than acknowledge his own shortcomings, there is another sort who prefers the comparatively safe project of critiquing his comrades to the risky business of confronting the armed enforcers of social inequality..

The fourth and most despicable argument is that we need police. According to this line of thinking, even if we can aspire to live in a society without police in the distant future, we need them today, for people are not ready to live with each other in peace without armed enforcers. As if the social imbalances and submissiveness maintained by the violence of the police are peace! Opponents of the police need not even answer this charge, however. It’s not as if a police-free society is suddenly going to appear overnight, for good or for ill, just because someone spraypaints “Fuck the Police” on a wall—if only it was so easy! The protracted struggle it is going to take to free our communities of police repression will probably go on as long as it takes us to learn to coexist peacefully; indeed, no community incapable of sorting out its own conflicts can expect to triumph against a more powerful occupying force. In the meantime, anti-police sentiments should be seen as objections to one of the most advanced and egregious forms of conflict between human beings, not arguments that without police there would be no conflict at all; and those who argue that the police sometimes do good things bear the burden of proving that those same good things could not be accomplished at least as well by other means.

The final and most nuanced objection to militant resistance against police oppression is the pacifist critique of violence itself. According to this account, violence is inherently a form of domination, and thus inconsistent with opposition to domination; those who engage in violence play the same game as their oppressors, thereby losing from the outset. Others hold that violence enforces unequal power dynamics in some cases, while in other cases it contests them—that is to say, there is such a thing as self-defense. For those whose value system is still descended from Christianity, keeping one’s hands clean of immoral behavior is the top priority, at whatever cost; for the rest of us, who desire to be free of superstitious prohibitions, the most important thing is what will work, in a given context, to make the world a better place. Sometimes—to name an obvious example, in the struggle against Nazi Germany—this may include violence.

To make this clear: yes, cops are people too, and deserve the same respect due all living things. The point is not that they deserve to suffer, or that we have to bring them to justice—that’s Christian morality again, dealing in currencies of superstition and resentment. The point is that, in purely pragmatic terms, in order that others not have to suffer, it may be necessary to interrupt, by militant and confrontational means, the injustices perpetrated by police officers. It can be empowering for those who have spent their lives under the heel of oppression to contemplate finally settling the score with their oppressors; however, a real liberation struggle does not focus on exacting revenge, but rather on solving problems so that all might have better lives. Therefore, while it may even sometimes be necessary to set police on fire, this should not be done out of a spirit of vengeful self-righteousness, but from a place of careful thought and compassion—if not for the police themselves, then for all those who would otherwise suffer at their hands.

One could make the argument that encouraging people to struggle against the police does more to publicize disapproval of them than to cause actual assaults. One could even argue that it thereby does a service not only for those who suffer police oppression, but also for the families of police officers and even for the officers themselves—for not only do police officers have a disproportionately high rate of domestic violence and child abuse, they also get killed, commit suicide, and become addicts with disproportionate frequency. Anything that demoralizes police officers and delegitimizes their authority, thus encouraging them to quit their posts, is in their best interest as well as the interest of their loved ones and society at large.
menace3society (927 D)
28 Apr 08 UTC
I like the Police. In the 1980s, when I was young, the world was a scary and dangerous place, with drug abuse spiraling out of control, financial difficulties for my parents, the neighborhood we lived in turning into a ghetto, panic about impending Japanese takeovers of US businesses, Cold War anxiety, yet throughout it all the Police were there for us, always cheerful and willing to do their part to make the world a better place.

I'm really glad they finally got back together with Sting.
Thucydides (864 D(B))
28 Apr 08 UTC
If we encourage police officers to quit their posts, those who will take their place will be of a lower caliber, and will be that much more likely to abuse their power.
Sicarius (673 D)
28 Apr 08 UTC
Abuse their power? Like the police now?
Jerkface (1626 D)
28 Apr 08 UTC
Who wrote this essay? Who is the target audience? There seems to be a lot of context missing so it's hard to respond to. For example, who is "we" that it keeps referring to? There are also many uncommon assumptions of certain moral codes (is it wrong to evict a family? since when?) that I would like to see expanded upon in some way.

I subscribe to reason number five, I believe. I do not, however, dislike or resent the police. I agree with reason number five because I agree with the notion of "losing from the outset" if one uses violence.
Sicarius (673 D)
28 Apr 08 UTC
written mostly by traven I believe, edited and added to by me.
not wrong to evict a family? you may be interested in the eviction of south central farm
pythex (144 D)
28 Apr 08 UTC
menace3society is my hero.
Jerkface (1626 D)
28 Apr 08 UTC
Sicarius, please feel free to post a complete response. Is something limiting your abilities to respond in some way?

Anyway, I don't know what a traven is but it doesn't really matter. The reason I asked who wrote it is not that I wanted a name but that I wanted what you did NOT give me: the context.

Yes, I may be interested in the eviction of "south central farm". And you may be interested in zodiac signs, strawberry ice cream and a thing called a "Beißkorb" but I fail to see your point.
Sicarius (673 D)
28 Apr 08 UTC
um, the guy screaming behind me about something both irrelevant and incoherent is inhibiting my critical thinking a bit, yes.

there is no context. it's a complete essay.

theres a companion essay, 'how to fuck the police' but I thought you would be less interested in that one.

it's for someone who is so interested in context.
I think that particular event illustrates why eviction is 'wrong'
Sicarius (673 D)
28 Apr 08 UTC
btw way menace you gave me a pretty good laugh. thanks
Jerkface (1626 D)
28 Apr 08 UTC
It may be a complete essay but who is its target audience? It takes so much for granted, begs so many questions that surely you must see how impossible it is to respond to. It preaches to the choir. It assumes an echo chamber. How many different ways can I put this? It is coherent the way an NRA spokesperson giving a speech about pros and cons about different types of guns would be coherent to someone who outright condemned all guns. The discussion is meaningless until you prove that guns are worth talking about and comparing.

Anyway, as for context, again you are being thick. And considering how much writing you supposedly do, this is surprising, unless you're just purposefully being thick. One event is not context. It is a piece of context, sure. But name-dropping does NOTHING for you unless you prove to me why it's important. I just looked it up on wikipedia and, I'm sorry, but you're going to have to walk me through why it proves that eviction is wrong.
warrenthegreat (147 D)
28 Apr 08 UTC
There is a point when a police officer stops being a police officer and becomes the nutcase who's assaulting me. Pass that point and my charter with society is void and the only thing that matters is what I want. And what menace3society said!
McCain (100 D)
28 Apr 08 UTC
It depends on the police. City cops can be good or bad, depending on their stress level. There are some really awesome city cops and some assholes who saw one too many little kid die and snapped because of it. I really have a hard time criticizing police, they have a very stressful, very depressing job.

Suburban cops are pigs, though. Its ok to hate them.
ednos (529 D(S))
28 Apr 08 UTC
Your suggested behavior towards police officers is absolutely inhumane. I can't believe the hypocrisy. That entire last paragraph is a complete self-contradiction. It briefly mentions what the stress of the police job does to officers and then encourages increasing the stress to force them to quit, even though the initial list did not include leaving their posts.

Aside from the last paragraph, which is just completely ridiculous, Jerkface is right about the essay. It needs context. You did not post a "complete essay"; that would require far, far more elaboration on social context, specific examples, and a thesis other than that something "usually falls into one of five categories".

Is the guy screaming behind you Pandora?
abgemacht (1076 D(G))
28 Apr 08 UTC
Sicarius,

I'm going to have to agree with Jerkface and ednos on this one. Your essay cannot offer a discussion because there's nothing to discuss. People reading this fall into two categories, those who disagree (who will just throw it out because you made no effort to attract them) and those who already agree with you (who will simply use it as empty propaganda). Was this the object of your writing?
Jerkface (1626 D)
29 Apr 08 UTC
Awhile ago, Pandora also directed me to some similar propaganda and it's just plain insulting. If these people complain about "mind control" from society, media, the government and the boogeyman then they should take a look at their own writing. Perhaps they would be more successful if they took their message to a more appropriate medium, such as, say, Saturday morning cartoon television commercials.
Kangaroo (0 DX)
29 Apr 08 UTC
I am not happy with the role of Police in Australia, there is too much corruption and abuse of Power.
I DO agree, that the "essay" is more like a starting point than much else...
Who are the "we" etc?
There is no author it seems. Perhaps the use of "we" is to make one thinks its actuallt an educated essay?
I would say the use of "we" is a substitute for any research or proper evidence..
Then again, that's just my opinion.

I do think that the Police do take their power a little too far.
Also, it has just been revealed here in Australia, that over 42% of new recruits to the forces in various states and territories here, have FAILED their exams...
Does that instill faith in them?
Wombat (722 D)
29 Apr 08 UTC
Go Jerkface...
ednos (529 D(S))
29 Apr 08 UTC
Actually, hold on a second. I do owe Sicarius a little bit of respect. He did turn "fuck the po-po" into a lot more words.
GuanShao (537 D)
29 Apr 08 UTC
We have a group here at my University, known as the Experimental Media Organization, and their lapdog, The Student Action Collective, who have both begun to have violent protests that often escalate from just general dog earring and name calling to outright fighting the cops. These people believe the exact same thing that Sicarius does; that there should be no police, should be no administration, that all classes should consist of 1 teacher for 10 students, and that their meal plan should be free.

Why? Why would they think this?

They are idiots.

They do not have the mental capacity to understand that the only people keeping them from being murdered by the more competent people are the police. They don't realize that the money that they refuse to pay in addition to their regular tuition bill is whats causing the classes to now grow in excess of 250 students per 1 teacher and 5 Assistants. They can't understand that by paying for our food, we are paying the money to keep the people who serve our food in a job, in an economy that is currently on very shaky ground, and in a job market where we are at a high rate of unemployment.

So, Sicarius, tell me; Are you like these people? Would you take to the streets with banners and your voice, block of an access road causing an oncoming car to not be able to stop in time, rear-ending another car and giving the woman in the front car injuries? Would you willingly punch a police officer? Tell me this. Because if you are, I believe I could introduce you to a few fellow communists.
Sicarius (673 D)
29 Apr 08 UTC
yeah I'm about to turn it into a tattoo. I was actually starting to rethink my thoughts on police, then some fuckin prick cop almost threw me in jail for 6 months because I dont know my soc.
Sicarius (673 D)
29 Apr 08 UTC
I have punched police. but the people in the example you gave, it seems like they just want a free ride. they dont want to pay and they dont want to face the consequences.

also I completely object to being called a communist. not because I find it particularly offensive (I do) but because it is incorrect and makes you sound ignorant
ednos (529 D(S))
29 Apr 08 UTC
Your anarchy is a watered-down form of socialism, so his label is somewhat inaccurate, but not entirely incorrect.

You have, on multiple occasions, told us about how you're getting a free ride. What makes you different from them?
fwancophile (164 D)
29 Apr 08 UTC
how to fuck the police? head to a leather bar after hours.

got to admit, this is probably the first time that pacifism has been described as nuanced. truthfully i am hard pressed to come up with a condition in which pacifism could be considered nuanced. perhaps in comparison with nihilism? even then...

i think cops have chilled out a bit since 2002-2003, when hypersuspicion was rampant. and generally, the lady cops, and i mean the lesbian cops, are the worst. i once had a neighbor who was a lesbian cop. one time she was trashed and i was headed out with my roommate. she starts interrogating me and whatnot, then searches my house, steals my weed, and calls in four squad cars each filled with two cops who came and bothered us for the next hour. it was so unbelievably humiliating, and i've hated that certain type of lesbian that really hates men ever since.
ednos (529 D(S))
29 Apr 08 UTC
(Also, what do you mean by "don't know my sock"?)
GuanShao (537 D)
29 Apr 08 UTC
No, you are pretty communist. You just don't realize it. If you aren't communist, then what are you?

Also; someone SHOULD throw your hippy ass in jail. Punching cops? Whats wrong with you?
Sicarius (673 D)
29 Apr 08 UTC
I am an anarchist.
which is pretty far from communist

he fuckin hit me first. for no reason. I still have scars
fwancophile (164 D)
29 Apr 08 UTC
heh indeed that is what i thought - the police are there to through the troublemakers in jail.
ednos (529 D(S))
29 Apr 08 UTC
Obviously he did not hit you for no reason. Don't act like you're eight and expect us to treat you like an adult. If you really want respect, you need to understand WHY the officer hit you, or, if you don't know, try to analyze all the forces present in his life to conclude why he hit you. Unless he's a psychopath (which I doubt), he probably had a damn good reason for hitting you, because people don't just hurt other people for "no reason".
Sicarius (673 D)
29 Apr 08 UTC
dont know my soc
social security number

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keeper0018 (100 D)
02 May 08 UTC
the greatest debate ever...
who would be in your greatest debate ever? personally. i think it would be freakin hysterical to watch silvestre stallone and arnold schwarchzenager (i know i spelled it wrong, but you get who im talking about, right?) debate... just a thought...
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keeper0018 (100 D)
04 May 08 UTC
New Game, "Machiavelli"
all- i started a new game, called "Machiavelli," and the bet is 75. please join.

http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=3765
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ednos (529 D(S))
03 May 08 UTC
Team Game--players needed
http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=3754&join=on&password=86cbbc6d11d4c3e55312cf6a01c30ca3

We need at least someone to join for Germany. Check Darwyn's thread "Team Game" for details on the teams.
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Darwyn (1601 D)
30 Apr 08 UTC
Team Game
Now that I'm getting my ass handed to me in the GFDT Final, I'm up for a team game.

Who's interested and what are teams? Is there a standard for this?

When we have seven interested people, I'll set the game up.
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Braveheart (2408 D(S))
30 Apr 08 UTC
Drawn Games - How are points allocated?
I was under the impression that in drawn games the pot was shared out equally between all participants in the draw.... in this game it still seems to be shared out according to point per supply centre.

http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=3027

Pot = 925

If i'd known I'd have been tempted to scrap a bit harder to push dangermouse back - though would still have ended in a draw.
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obiwanobiwan (248 D)
03 May 08 UTC
Movement help
If a French fleet from Marseilles sails to Gulf of Lyon, and an Italian fleet from Gulf of Lyon sails to Marseilles, do the bounce, or trade places?

Same question, but involving Spain.

Finally, can an army in N. Africa move to Spain SC, and can a fleet do it as well?


Thank you.
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Wombat (722 D)
26 Apr 08 UTC
Best country in diplomacy (cont...)
There were just too many posts on the previous one... so here is a more accesible one (for now)

Turkey 36
France 37
England 29
Germany 28 (-)
Russia 9 (+)

I actually like Russia a lot more than Germany... as I have had a lot of success as Russia...

I reckon we need a new thread here
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sean (3490 D(B))
02 May 08 UTC
Ender's Game
I know quite a few players on this site are a big fan of this book/series and i came across this essay thew other day about the moral underpinnings of the book, thought you might like to read it.
http://www4.ncsu.edu/~tenshi/Killer_000.htm

in fact i read that book several years ago i didn't like it that much. oh yes the main character was endearing and all but i felt the book was aimed to please a teenage market bracket. not really my cup of tea, i prefer hard science fiction.
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keeper0018 (100 D)
03 May 08 UTC
another suspicious game
the four players that have already joined this game have 20 points each, and the pot is 80... does that tell you something?

http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=3752
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