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hootie (100 D)
12 Nov 13 UTC
New Player Question
I'm new to the games. By accident I joined two. One permits me to issue orders, the other does not. Why
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stupidfighter (253 D)
11 Nov 13 UTC
Hi, I'm new!
So I've found out about this awesome game and I'm looking to get into it while I have the free time available in my schedule.
The game rules are petty clear to me, but how do we communicate in-game? Is there a PM system, or do we use e-mail?
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SantaClausowitz (360 D)
11 Nov 13 UTC
Draug is watching us... Draug is watching us...
Due to a little complaint sent to the moderators it is obvious our friend draugnar is not only still around, but cares deeply about forum events.
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hecks (164 D)
08 Nov 13 UTC
Bowie
I don't appreciate David Bowie as much as I think I should, and I feel badly about that, so I'm trying to make today an all-Bowie day at work. So please suggest a Bowie album for me to listen to. What's your favorite Bowie album and why?
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bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
11 Nov 13 UTC
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Putin
This is your military.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhuzb3WMntc&feature=youtu.be
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redhouse1938 (429 D)
10 Nov 13 UTC
Masculinity
At some point during the day, I reflected on this topic. Not in a "am I masculine" kind of way, but I tried to analyze the subject sort of as a neutral non-male observer. Should a "man" be "masculine"? Can a woman be masculine? Fascinating questions if you ask me.
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Dharmaton (2398 D)
11 Nov 13 UTC
WoTC own Diplo.
www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=ah/prod/diplomacy
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JECE (1248 D)
07 Nov 13 UTC
philcore: "Meethinks" is a reference to Jar Jar Binks, not Shakespearian English
Where on Earth did or do you go to school?

threadID=1063154
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Jamiet99uk (865 D)
03 Nov 13 UTC
First game
A Sunday afternoon trip down memory lane...
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ILN (100 D)
03 Nov 13 UTC
niggers
Basically,
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krellin (80 DX)
11 Nov 13 UTC
Decline of Civilization
http://www.spike.com/shows/1000-ways-to-die

We are too comfortable, life is to easy, if we have people with time to make this...and make money off this. UNLESS Putin starts in episode 3...then I might be OK with this...
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Jamiet99uk (865 D)
10 Nov 13 UTC
Samsung pays $1bn to Apple.... in small change
http://news-hound.net/samsung-pays-apple-1-billion-sending-30-trucks-full-of-5-cent-coins/
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Draugnar (0 DX)
05 Nov 13 UTC
This is not an apology or a goodbye. This is a statement.
I grow weary of the shit here in the forum. My health is failing and I am trying to go to school. So after this post, I am asking goldfinger to silence me for a period of no less than 1 year. I'll use the time to finish my games and do schoolwork.
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hecks (164 D)
08 Nov 13 UTC
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Goats: Nature's Badasses
http://www.trueactivist.com/13-pictures-of-crazy-goats-on-cliffs/

Goats: putting rock climbers to shame since forever.
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DC35 (0 DX)
31 Oct 13 UTC
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Dicks
Penis
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Jamiet99uk (865 D)
04 Oct 13 UTC
RIP Vo Nguyen Giap
Those of us interested in military history and strategy should note the death today of one of the 20th Century's great generals.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-24402278
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Al Swearengen (0 DX)
05 Nov 13 UTC
Six Myths about Drone Warfare you Probably Believe
http://www.cracked.com/article_20725_6-myths-about-drone-warfare-you-probably-believe.html
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Chaqa (3971 D(B))
09 Nov 13 UTC
Party room
For those late night games when people are dicks.

Here's to us!
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ILN (100 D)
09 Nov 13 UTC
Guy faked being black to win election
Genius in action: http://www.khou.com/news/local/White-guy-wins-after-leading-voters-to-believe-hes-black-231222981.html
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Yellowjacket (835 D(B))
09 Nov 13 UTC
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Glory to Arstotzka
Your face, it is different.
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NigeeBaby (100 D(G))
08 Nov 13 UTC
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Bubble ...... what bubble !!
When a company that has never made a profit floats on Wall Street and rises 73% on its first day of trading and the company is valued at US$31bn you know capitalism is fucked.
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Dharmaton (2398 D)
09 Nov 13 UTC
Cpt. Kirk rides his ship
railguns anyone?
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ILN (100 D)
08 Nov 13 UTC
Absurd
The wonders of government efficiency - The cost to build a street: http://cdn.thegridto.com/wp-content/uploads/527a85e0c67b1-DPS.jpg
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Yellowjacket (835 D(B))
07 Nov 13 UTC
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Dick shoots a big load in somebody's face
http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/02/12/cheney/
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krellin (80 DX)
09 Nov 13 UTC
Piss Me Off
I'm inspired....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSEYXWmEse8
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krellin (80 DX)
09 Nov 13 UTC
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Really Dirty Video (Warning)
WARNING: It's getting boring around here, so if a really dirty video offends you, DO NOT CLICK THROUGH.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpNyQlNh_5E
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Al Swearengen (0 DX)
09 Nov 13 UTC
Russia
Russian soldier doing a back-flip over barbed-wire while throwing an axe at a target?

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redhouse1938 (429 D)
07 Nov 13 UTC
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Imitation thread
Let's do this again. Imitate other forum members in this thread. Keep it nice and light.
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SantaClausowitz (360 D)
08 Nov 13 UTC
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Learned something new this week.
I didn't know mapleleaf was the mayor of Toronto.
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SYnapse (0 DX)
08 Nov 13 UTC
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On privacy and hysteria
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SYnapse (0 DX)
08 Nov 13 UTC
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In 1692 began a series of indictments and executions known as the Salem Witch Trials. During the trials, around 30 people were executed by the Court for the crime of witchcraft.

The trials and their surrounding circumstances were documented in Arthur Miller’s play The Crucible. In it, a love-stricken and sociopathic Abigail Williams exploits the hysteria of the trials to accuse the wife of John Proctor and have her killed. Eventually, not even she is able to control the actions of the court as it executes John Proctor, a pious and hard-working family man.

Miller wrote his play during the era of McCarthyism, the “Red Scare” in 50s America during which suspected communists were harassed, intimidated and imprisoned in the name of national security. During a witch-hunt of his own time, Miller showed in the Crucible how fear could spiral out of control and lead to a mob mentality in which none were safe from persecution.

Today, it is not the threat of witchcraft that threatens our homes but the threat of terrorism, and the agencies set up to protect us request greater powers to do their jobs at the expense of our privacy. This erosion of civil privacy is something which history teaches us to fear. If the courts of the Salem Witch Trials had had access to each person’s Facebook profile or text messages, their internet browsing history and personal details, the death toll of the trials could have been much higher.

The main reason why campaigners oppose increased surveillance powers is the potential for governments or individuals to abuse those powers. It is not surveillance that they oppose; rather it is the threat of political manipulation of those powers, or their corruptibility that should cause us all to fear increased authoritative powers.

Proponents of our intelligence services often give the explanation that “if you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear.” This sentiment is reiterated by Judge Danforth in The Crucible in the following extract:

Hale: I may only fear the Lord, sir, but there is fear in the country nevertheless.
Danforth (angered): Reproach me not with the fear in the country; there is fear in the country because there is a moving plot to topple Christ in the country!
Hale: But it does not follow that everyone accused is part of it.
Danforth; No uncorrupted man may fear this court, Mr. Hale! None!

Danforth’s message is one of incorrigibility; that the court cannot be wrong.

In hindsight, we know that there were no witches in Salem, but at the time the officials acted in a genuine and sincere attempt to maintain public order in the face of satanic threats. Parallels can be drawn here between the sincere and honest work of our intelligence agencies to protect us from the threat of terrorism, and the potential injustices that could be carried out in that same aim.

Terrorists do target our nation, and it is essential that we take reasonable precautions against them. Like we take precautions against thieves by locking up our valuables, we should wherever possible thwart the plots of terrorists who seek to commit atrocities. Similarly however, we need to pay due diligence to the threats of tyranny at home.

People have a tendency to put their heads in the sand when it comes to imagining such powers being abused. We live in a thankfully fair and tolerant society, and it is true that I have nothing to fear from our intelligence services at the moment. But we all have things to hide, whether it is our one-night-stand with a receptionist, or that we like to wear clothing of the opposite gender in the bedroom. The question is whether we would like any governments of the future to have access to that wealth of information.

With access to the internet and telephone activity of every person in the UK, GCHQ and MI5 could, if they chose to, rapidly produce a database of most Arabic speaking individuals in the country. Or a database of homosexuals. Or a database of atheists. We all regularly give our demographic details to companies, political parties or our employers. Some of us may opt not to appear on the edited electoral register, but the unedited register is still regularly accessed by private companies like Experian and Equifax for the purpose of credit checks.

It doesn’t take a conspiracy theorist to realise that therein lies the potential for mass systematic abuse of our open society, in which most people own a social networking account and use e-mail and smartphones. While Britain has been a stable democracy for a few centuries, to presume that it will always remain so is dangerous. When George Santayana said that “those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it”, he was talking about exactly this kind of inattentiveness. And those who think that such a thing cannot happen in a modern Western democracy should remember the Nixon era and the Watergate scandal.

Politicians who remark that there are serious threats to our country had better remember that those threats come from all angles; not just from terror-networks in Pakistan or North Korea but from ambitious individuals; people with agendas and a desire for power.

As Edward Abbey remarks “it is the duty of the patriot to protect his country from its government.” That is why, despite the good intentions of our intelligence staff, we as citizens must continue to resist the intention of our government to increase its grip over our private lives.
orathaic (1009 D(B))
08 Nov 13 UTC
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'despite the good intentions of our intelligence staff, we as citizens must continue to resist the intention of our government'

The good intentions of your intelligence staff is what lead men like Edward Snowden to break the law...
Jamiet99uk (865 D)
08 Nov 13 UTC
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What is your point, SYnapse? Your post reads like the introduction to a book.

If your point is nothing more than "citizens should do their best to hold their government to account" then I don't think many people would disagree with you. But what of it? Everything you've posted has been widely discussed elsewhere. What do you bring to the discussion? Do you have anything new to add?
SYnapse (0 DX)
08 Nov 13 UTC
I guess not
steephie22 (182 D(S))
08 Nov 13 UTC
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Thank God (or whoever you believe in) I didn't read it then.
Yellowjacket (835 D(B))
08 Nov 13 UTC
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fvTxv46ano

This is far more informative.
krellin (80 DX)
08 Nov 13 UTC
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Witches - Fake, imaginary, not real
Islamic Terrorist - Real, with a bloody track record of corpses behind them

Say whatever you want about whether or not we should be spying on people, but to fucking compare terrorists to witches demonstrates what a fucking moron you are.
SYnapse (0 DX)
08 Nov 13 UTC
It's funny when your thread keeps getting bumped by people you have silenced. I imagine I have caused some huge debate between Krellin + YJ
krellin (80 DX)
08 Nov 13 UTC
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It's funny when libtards celebrate and announce to the world their close-mindedness and unwillingness to see other people's points of view.
Maniac (189 D(B))
08 Nov 13 UTC
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I recognise that our intelligence services have to collect information by means of tracking emails, phone calls, Facebook posts etc. We may moan how much data the government holds at the moment, but when the next terrorist attack happens we will moan about how little information the government had on the perpetrators.

The problem as I see it is one of resources. Whilst resources are spent trying to listen into Komi annan's or Angela merkel's phones, those resources can't be used to track a real potential terrorist that may be in the government's sights.

Looking for terrorist activity is often likened to searching for a needle in a haystack. If I really were looking for a needle in a haystack, the very last thing I'd do is increase the size of the haystack. We should target our resources to where they will be most effective and make sure that everything happens within strict laws, no mission creap, no blurring the lines.
krellin (80 DX)
08 Nov 13 UTC
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Serious Question: How many of you oppose video cameras in, let' say, a bank or liquor store, which the police can return to at a later date to review and capture images of armed robbers?
steephie22 (182 D(S))
08 Nov 13 UTC
If there's a sign saying you're being filmed, not me.
krellin (80 DX)
08 Nov 13 UTC
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There was a case in the Grand Rapids, Michigan area recently where some chick was abducted from a gas station or something, and the local citizens *protested* the gas station because they did not have a functioning surveillance camera.

I suspect the majority of you do not have a problem with a bank survelience camera, store video, etc. You probably don't protest when a cop drives behind you and runs your plates, and then moves on without doing anything. Because you feel safer knowing that, IF NEEDED, they can go back to that video tape and find an armed robber...and you also know that they won't go back and look at you if you are just going about your legal business.

The NSA spying stuff is *exactly* the same. It's a video tape...it's a database full of billions....trillions....quadrillions of bits of information and more, growing daily, and they don't go back and look at the tape unless some computer matches certain sets of data with other data and sends up a flag.

The overwhelming majority of people are completely ignorant as to what the NSA are doing, and blow it all out of proportion, and don't realize that on any other given day that have no problem with, and even demand to be surveilled.

I find it especially ironic that the "socio-biologist" (whatever the fuck made-up science that is...) who presumably spends his days studying and observing people and behavior and patterns to try to predict behavior takes offense at people studying and observing people and patterns to try to predict behavior…
jmo1121109 (3812 D)
08 Nov 13 UTC
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2ndWhiteLine (2606 D(B))
08 Nov 13 UTC
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You're missing the essential difference between a security camera in a public space and the NSA pulling metadata on your email and phone calls - the expectations of privacy. If I'm in a public place, then I'm well aware that my movements may well be recorded, either on a security camera, traffic cameras and sensors, etc. If I'm in my home on my own computer, there is a realistic expectations of privacy.

Now, you do have a point that most Americans blow the NSA 'scandal' out of proportion and easily mistake "metadata" for "listening into my conversation," but there is still the point about an unauthorized agency pulling my private information without my consent when there is no suspicion of illegal activity.
krellin (80 DX)
08 Nov 13 UTC
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@2WL -- Well, pretty much you don't have the expectation of privacy anymore. Any frankly, if you ever did you were a fool. When you talk on a phone, it isn't a private communication -- it's *always* been a piece of technological infrastructure that is owned by someone else who monitors your use and bills you accordingly -- right there you should realize you have no privacy. it has always been the case that they can, without your knowledge, tap the line and listen in. It has always been the case that they could go back through the records and see who you called and when.

So this sudden exclamation of outrage that they are collecting the data to do what they have *always had the capability to do*....is absurd.

The only reason anyone expected privacy is because they were ignorant and foolish, not because there was ever any reasonable expectation of privacy.

FURTHER...privacy from what? Once again, I suspect you are blowing this situation in to something it is not. Nobody is "listening in" on your phone calls...so if you want to call your mistress and talk dirty to her, nobody is going to know....unless she is a terrorist. Further, the information they are gathering on phone communication, for example, is what phone contacted what phone...it is not a recording of every phone *conversation*....so again, this is something they have *always* been able to do -- call up your phone records. Only now instead of AT&T holding the records, the NSA does, in part because of the requirement to coordinate the data filters, but it is no different from what they did before.....prosecutors have been using phone records since there were phone records...

As for internet communications...again, if you had *any* expectation of privacy, you are simply foolish.
Al Swearengen (0 DX)
08 Nov 13 UTC
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Thank you for writing that Synapse. Nicest thing that I've read all day.

And while I understand your point of view on the matter, I can understand likewise the point of view of people who aren't interested. Let's face it - there's a lot going on in the world these days and not everyone has the wherewithal or the motive to get worked up about privacy.

But here is where I'm a little put off - what's the business case for some of you who are trolling the privacy advocates? I understand that nearly every social issue is bound to attract it's share of trolls. Yet I have no wish to marginalize people merely because I disagree with them. I genuinely wish to understand. Why the hostility towards the people who are attempting to protect your rights? What do you get out of this?

A quick comparison. I'm not a baseball fan, but I don't feel any hostility towards the people who are attempting to clean steroids out of baseball.
krellin (80 DX)
08 Nov 13 UTC
Al - who is being hostile in this thread? Can you please give examples of perceived hostility?
Jack_Klein (897 D)
08 Nov 13 UTC
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Right wing: Government is bad, we should have less of it. Except for making the army bigger, the intelligence services more pervasive, and eroding the privacy rights of the citizenry. Then that fucker can't be big enough.

Basically, the right wing in this country is unabashedly authoritarian.

Anytime you hear the phrase "If you're not doing anything wrong, what do you have to fear?", you should start throwing shit.
steephie22 (182 D(S))
08 Nov 13 UTC
"it is not a recording of every phone *conversation*"

Because if it were, they would tell us, right? After all they don't lie to us, right? Would they even know what lying is over there? Maybe, maybe not, but one thing's for sure, right? They wouldn't do that, right?
steephie22 (182 D(S))
08 Nov 13 UTC
Seriously: they can record every phone call. Prove me wrong.

As for the predictable 'you have nothing to fear if you do nothing wrong': that's not true, because it's not just me who can do something wrong; there's the observers as well. They can mess with my data, recordings, whatever...

One 'dirty cop' in the right place and your theory is bullshit.

This way we really know nothing, because there's a lot of people eho can change stuff if we don't even include hackers, and somehow people think it is actual evidence and before you know we're invading the Vatican looking for WMDs since the NSA has recordings in which the pope clearly states he's going to use his arsenal of WMDs against America, and the pope is seeking refuge in the cathedral and the Vatican refuses to let the pope face justice so the Vatican must be destroyed.

Just to name something as ridiculous as the last time America went to war based on "intelligence".
steephie22 (182 D(S))
08 Nov 13 UTC
who*
krellin (80 DX)
08 Nov 13 UTC
<rolls eyes...> OK, yes steephie22....they are recording every single conversation you have in total. You are right.

So you don't trust them at all....well, except when they tell you they need more taxes, when they tell you they can run health care better than you, when they tell you that giving your taxes to other people/countries is a good idea, etc....

Got it...

Steephie...ever look at the size of an mp3 file? OK...now try this, just for kicks...type you name, address and phone number in a notepad file and save it as *.txt and see how big that file is.

Then go figure out why the idea they are literally recording every single conversation is the paranoia of the ill-informed...
krellin (80 DX)
08 Nov 13 UTC
As fro "Can they record every phone call"? Sure...technologically it is possible

If
jmo1121109 (3812 D)
08 Nov 13 UTC
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@Al, I personally make an effort to let people who advocate for internet privacy know that it's just not realistic. The reason I do it isn't to be hostile, it's to help people understand what they should expect from online services.

The reason I say it's not realistic is because the internet isn't bound to any one countries laws. It's a global web, that spans billions of people. There has never been an information exchange option on this scale before, and it was designed to encourage access to information. Adding in privacy options takes away from the purpose of the internet, to make everything accessible online. Now information security is obviously important, but it has to be limited. Securing even bank information has become a monumental task because there is no such thing as an unbreakable firewall. With enough time and resources there is no such thing as secure content online. Ask the NSA, despite the best efforts of the most talented Computer Specialists information always gets out, because restricting it goes against the design of the internet.

When you sign up for an online service with an internet provider, with google, with facebook, etc, they don't promise or give false expectations of protecting your data. People just assume that their information will be secure, which is the problem. Companies like google and facebook can offer their services freely because they make money off you your information. They make money off of analyzing what you do, what you like, who you are, and how to effectively advertise and get relevant information to you as a consumer. Now they don't want any harm to come to their consumers so they generally try pretty hard to restrict access to very personal information (addresses more specific then a town, and credit card information), but everything else is game and nets them a profit. They also have to weigh the cost of adding additional layers of protection to your data against the knowledge that if someone really wants the information they can find a way to get it.

The other issue preventing secure online information regulations is lawmakers. You have laws being made by old men and women who don't understand how the internet works, who couldn't tell you how to find a subnet address off of a network, and who don't even understand where information on the internet is stored. The same goes for judges who are making rulings on anti-intrusion methods. For example, one of the most effective methods of catching hackers is a honeypot. A honeypot is effectively putting a fake network inside your companies firewall for the sole purpose of tricking hackers into accessing it. It's designed to detect ALL intrusions and since no one at your company will access it you know any intrusion is a hacker. So it's essentially like putting a trap in your house in the room closest to the front door. Everyone in the house knows not to go there, but a robber will go in and get caught. The problem, some old judge who doesn't know anything about the internet decided it sounds like entrapment and ruled them inadmissible in court in the US.

The lack of knowledge, and the inherent design on the internet make any expectation of privacy online unrealistic.

krellin (80 DX)
08 Nov 13 UTC
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<....feds barged in and smacked me around mid-sentence...>

As I was saying...technologically feasible? Sure. Probable....NO...because why the fuck would the Feds WANT to record your phone call when you are masturbating on a friday night with your gay lover?

You, apparently, have not paid *any* attention to explanations of how the program works as described by a parade of current and past federal employees who have worked on the program and been interviewed to discuss the topic.

You can live in your paranoid delusion if you want...I can't stop you.

1. Gather phone records from all phone providers. Information contains what phone called what phone at what time.
2. Run phone records against a filter that contains the known phone numbers of individuals suspected of being terrorist or involved in terrorism.
3. If a phone is demonstrated to have been in communication with a phone on the terrorist phone list, THAT phone is now suspect.
4. Apply for permission to wire tap this phone in secret court, and NOW they can tap and record phone calls on this phone.

That is how the program is said to work. They record/monitor phone conversations AFTER the phone is linked to a suspect phone number.

If you wish to believe that every single phone call is recorded by the government, then go ahead...but you clearly have *zero* idea of what that entails, versus collecting phone-to-phone call data.
jmo1121109 (3812 D)
08 Nov 13 UTC
Think of it like this Steephie,

Google keeps a record of every gchat conversation ever sent. The amount of chat conversations is in the hundreds of thousands if not more every single day. No one has the time to go through and read all that, even google doesn't have enough processing power (or if they do they won't spend the massive amount of time on it) to analyze every single message. What they will do is go back and access a specific users conversations and search for keywords if someone reports that someone for harassment, or threats against their life.

I suspect the government has or had access to the databases of the phone companies, which probably keep a recording of every call for X amount of time (a few days to a few months). The government could then go to the company with a request for those conversations if there was a reason. Like Krellin said, no one is going to process all that data unless there is a legally justifiable reason for it.
jmo1121109 (3812 D)
08 Nov 13 UTC
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@Krellin, you started off great, and then started insulting people left and right. You might actually persuade some people with your points (they are very accurate) if they weren't busy being annoyed you are insinuating they have a gay lover. Just saying.
krellin (80 DX)
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@JMO - I didn't "insult people left and right". If you really have no idea what it would entail to record every single conversation, and I call you out on that, that is not an insult - it's an obsrevation.

You people need thicker skin, seriously. Just because someone calls you out for your ignorance (note, I did not say stupidity…ignorance is simply a lack of knowledge, stupid is knowing and ignoring knowledge) and you get insulted, then you have the problem, not me.

If the gay lover story is insulting, then grow a pair. Feel free to suggest I have a gay lover I call at night...I wont' be insulted. It actually makes a point, in truth. If I were calling my grandmother, that is definitely not be worth recording. If I *were* calling my gay lover, that might, in fact, be worth recording just for the amusement factor and scandal factor, and yet *even that* they will not be recording. The point is, you actually have to have a REASON to be recorded...and gay lover phone calls aren't going to tip that scale.
phil_a_s (0 DX)
08 Nov 13 UTC
Actually, while they would care about being able to justify it legally, FISA will allow almost anything. They haven't refused once. Maybe the NSA is being reasonable, but maybe FISA decided it exists to allow the NSA to use information, as opposed to regulating it. I don't know and can't judge it. What I do know, is that they don't need a legal justification as much as they need a justification of costs, and boring people like us are not justifiable. An important distinction.

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