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zultar (4180 DMod(P))
14 Jan 12 UTC
Appropriate signals in gunboat? Please help.
In a WTA gunboat where there is a player who is in a very dominant position that guarantees them the draw or a solo if two or three powers can't figure out the stalemate positions and there is a power who has one or two SCs left and can be easily taken out without affecting stalemate position, what is the appropriate signal to send in game?
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ForNarnia (139 D)
14 Jan 12 UTC
vDiplomacy, N.A fun!
Not a lot of people on vDiplomacy like fast games, so if you are interested in a new board, and a breath of fresh air, come join the fun! Game starts at 11:30 ET some hurry up and join!

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hammac (100 D)
13 Jan 12 UTC
Mitt Romney lambasted in attack ad for speaking French
Is this ridiculous or what!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-16549624 (if you're interested)

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Indybroughton (3407 D(G))
13 Jan 12 UTC
Secret canal in Russia - World Variant
Rumor has it that if you build a fleet in St. Pete or Moscow, they can travel via a secret canal, to the other SC. True? (searched variant rules, could not find)
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Sandgoose (0 DX)
13 Jan 12 UTC
Urgent Moderators
I understand you're all busy, but if you have a chance, withing say the next 5, maybe 10 minutes get a chance to check your email, it's urgent. Thank you.
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Frank (100 D)
12 Jan 12 UTC
other phpdiplomacy sites
what are the most active installations of webdiplomacy other than this site?
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Dharmaton (2398 D)
14 Jan 12 UTC
Do I get my points & rating back from games with Multis ???
MPM3di4t0R & & DouweJanTW & Canadiandiplomat & Instrument & TaylorSwift & Bladecrest ... ad nausem
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G1 (92 D)
14 Jan 12 UTC
Replacement for a Frozen Antarctica needed, decent position and a build!
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Tettleton's Chew (0 DX)
05 Jan 12 UTC
Military Quotes
A thread to post your favorite military quotes with or without attribution.
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Tettleton's Chew (0 DX)
12 Jan 12 UTC
Money doesn't buy American Elections
Excellent article at Freakonomics.

Does money buy elections in the United States?
The answer is no according to this well researched article.
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Tettleton's Chew (0 DX)
07 Jan 12 UTC
Liberals create income inequality
If you have a brain and take the time to read the George Will column I cut and pasted you will easily understand how the modern welfare state conceived in Europe and imported to America by the Left has exploded the income inequality liberals lunatics hopelessly try to blame on the Free Market.
Tettleton's Chew (0 DX)
07 Jan 12 UTC
The left’s centuries-old mission is to increase social harmony by decreasing antagonisms arising from disparities of wealth — to decrease inequality by increasing government’s redistributive activities. Such government constantly expands under the unending, indeed intensifying, pressures to correct what it disapproves of — the distribution of wealth produced by consensual market activities. But as government presumes to dictate the correct distribution of social rewards, the maelstrom of contemporary politics demonstrates that social strife, not solidarity, is generated by government transfer payments to preferred groups.

This includes generational strife. Most transfer payments redistribute wealth from workers to nonworkers in the form of pensions and medical care for retirees. The welfare state’s primary purpose is to subsidize the last years of Americans’ lives, and the elderly are, after a lifetime of accumulation, better off than most Americans: In 2009, the net worth of households headed by adults ages 65 and older was a record 47 times that of households headed by adults under the age of 35 — a wealth gap that doubled just since 2005.
The equalizing effects of redistributive transfer payments are less today than in 1979, when households in the lowest income quintile received 54 percent of such payments. In 2007, they received 36 percent.

Because Social Security and Medicare are not means-tested, the share of transfer payments going to middle- and upper-income households tends to increase, for several reasons. The retirement age is essentially fixed, but people are living longer. And because the welfare state is so good to them, the elderly are unusually diligent voters and are especially apt to vote on the basis of protecting their benefits.

Beyond transfer payments, redistributionist government is itself governed by the law of dispersed costs and concentrated benefits: For example, sugar import quotas confer substantial wealth on a small cohort of producers already wealthy enough to work the political levers of redistributive government. The increased cost of sugar substantially penalizes consumers as a group but not so noticeably that individuals protest.

The tax code, government’s favorite instrument for distributing wealth to favored factions, has been tweaked about 4,500 times in 10 years. Generally, the beneficiaries of these changes are interests sufficiently strong and sophisticated to practice rent-seeking.

Not only does redistributionist government direct wealth upward; in asserting a right to do so, it siphons power into itself. A puzzling aspect of our politically contentious era is how little contention there is about the ethics of coercive redistribution by progressive taxation and other government “corrections” of social outcomes it considers unethical or unaesthetic.

This reticence, in an age in which political reticence is rare, reflects the difficulty of articulating principled defenses of these practices. They go undefended because they are generally popular with a public that misunderstands their net effects and because the practices are the political class’s vocation today. The big winners from these practices are that class and the interests adept at collaborating with it.
Government uses redistribution to correct social outcomes that offend it. But government rarely explains, or perhaps even recognizes, the reasoning by which it decides why particular outcomes of consensual market activities are incorrect. When taxes are levied not to efficiently fund government but to impose this or that notion of distributive justice, remember: Taxes are always coerced contributions to government, which is always the first, and often the principal, beneficiary of them.

Try a thought experiment suggested decades ago by University of Chicago law professors Walter Blum and Harry Kalven in their 1952 essay “The Uneasy Case for Progressive Taxation,” published in their university’s law review. Suppose society’s wealth trebled overnight without any change in the relative distribution among individuals. Would the unchanged inequality at higher levels of affluence decrease concern about inequality?

Surely not: The issue of inequality has become more salient as affluence has increased. Which suggests two conclusions:

People are less dissatisfied by what they lack than by what others have. And when government engages in redistribution in order to maximize the happiness of citizens who become more envious as they become more comfortable, government becomes increasingly frenzied and futile.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/government-the-redistributionist-behemoth/2012/01/05/gIQAFqqpfP_story.html?hpid=z3
Tettleton's Chew (0 DX)
09 Jan 12 UTC
Why would anyone think that forcing young workers with no savings to pay an increasing tax burden to fund government social security distributions to older workers with an entire lifetime of savings and assets would not increase income inequality.

Fasces349 (0 DX)
12 Jan 12 UTC
Well thought out and makes sense, well done TC

I have to admit a lot of what you post makes sense is inteligent, which just frustrates me when you make the occasional poorly worded poorly stated statement.
Yellowjacket (835 D(B))
12 Jan 12 UTC
lol Fasces... occasional? The man is deranged. The thought that the LEFT creates more income disparity than the right is absolutely laughable.
Fasces349 (0 DX)
12 Jan 12 UTC
"lol Fasces... occasional? The man is deranged. The thought that the LEFT creates more income disparity than the right is absolutely laughable."
his responses is a copy and pasted section of an article from the washington post based on a study back by the Chicago School of Economics. It has to be legit (no sarcasm)
Yellowjacket (835 D(B))
12 Jan 12 UTC
I'm not even sure what your trying to say, Fasces.
joshbeaudette (1835 D)
12 Jan 12 UTC
The big government/economic left (both parties in many cases) does create more income disparity... part of that argument is above, the rest lies in the generational conditioning of those born into the vicious cycle of government hand outs. The system we now have is facilitator of classes and envy rather than economic mobility.
Fasces349 (0 DX)
12 Jan 12 UTC
"I'm not even sure what your trying to say, Fasces."
Try to understand basic English.

Both parties are pro-big government in many cases, its why I don't call myself a republican and in many cases I support the democrats over the republicans
Yellowjacket (835 D(B))
12 Jan 12 UTC
"Try to understand basic English."

Because anybody who disagrees HAS to be an idiot. Well played, sir.
ulytau (541 D)
12 Jan 12 UTC
Yeah, we all know the USA has many times lower income inequality and higher social mobility than socialist Europe... NOT.

How everyone gets their share (just look up the USA at 40th place and the scroll to the bottom to see where us European hypocrites dwell - poor Swedes, they must be dying of hunger from so much socialism):

Showcasing the delusions of common American: http://www.economicmobility.org/assets/pdfs/EMP%20American%20Dream%20Report.pdf
ulytau (541 D)
12 Jan 12 UTC
First link: https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2172rank.html
Fasces349 (0 DX)
12 Jan 12 UTC
Income equality may be higher in America, but the GDP per capita is 50% higher and class mobility is way higher.

In otherwords hard work pays of more in America then in socialist europe
ulytau (541 D)
12 Jan 12 UTC
You are one of the delusional American for whom I posted the link, then. Class mobility is much lower in the USA than in continental Europe (I guess you don't call Britons socialists). Regarding the GDP, that is the issue. Despite being a richer country (as in GDP per capita PPP), the USA is content in cumulating the benefits in the hands of the few.
Mr_rb (594 D)
12 Jan 12 UTC
@ Fasces- Income inequality is higher you mean. Of course GDP per capita of the US is higher than GDP per capita in Europe, Europe includes a good share of East-European countries with GDP per capita lower than €10,000. There are also plenty of 'socialist' European countries with GDP per capita higher than that of the US though.

The article you mentioned earlier is just an opinion piece by the way, with a reference to a 60 year old publication. Indeed has to be legit (yes, sarcasm).
Tettleton's Chew (0 DX)
12 Jan 12 UTC
Excellent article explaining how entering the Euro didn't create Portugal's problem.

. http://goo.gl/Wf32y


Portugal’s plight is a warning to other Western industrialized nations, all
of which have welfare states of one extent or another to finance. The graying of
the population, portending relatively fewer workers to pay escalating pension anhealth-care benefits, combined with the additional debt amassed by governments in
dealing with the recent financial crisis, poses a monumental challenge to governments
faced with the expenses of maintaining their respective welfare states. Portugal is
among the first to succumb to this challenge only because it expanded its social
democracy relatively quickly and had a smaller capital accumulation from which to
draw resources for the delivery of public services.

Tettleton's Chew (0 DX)
12 Jan 12 UTC
The younger generation of all western countries is paying the price for the failed social programs of the older generation.
Those social programs didn't create wealth, in fact they destroyed wealth and keep destroying it by literally transferring the hard work of the younger generation to the older generation.
How do people expect any country or economy to grow under such fiscal lunacy?
The answer is of course these countries' economies don't grow and huge wealth inequality between the younger generations and older generations result thanks to the welfare state.
Original author George Will - libertarian except where it matters. derp
Question, Tettleton: which country would you prefer the US resemble in terms of welfare (etc) policy?
obiwanobiwan (248 D)
13 Jan 12 UTC
WOAH!

Wait a minute, TC...

Income inequality...are you saying we should all have the same income regardless of skill or job?

:O

TETTLETON'S CHEW IS A CLOSET COMMIE!

(Does this mean Putin33 is really Sean Hannity?) :p
Fasces349 (0 DX)
13 Jan 12 UTC
@ul: The countries with GDP/Capita higher then america are the city states, they are not socialist and don't count.

Germany, France, Spain, Britain etc all have GDP per capitas at least $5000 below America. The Eurozone average is $17000 lower (but that includes Greece etc.)

@Obi: The goal of capitalism isn't to move the wealth into the hands of the few...

Now @ul: as for you report or income mobility it is scewed facts:
The 1% will always have the fastest growth in money. But remember only 42.6% of those who were in the top 1% in 1996, were still in the top 1% in 2005. In other words 58.4% of those who grew massively in your graph, didn't start in the top 1% and getting to the 1% means they therefore had massively increasing salaries. It is very easy to scew statistics in one way or another to fit your cause.


http://www.treasury.gov/resource-center/tax-policy/Documents/incomemobilitystudy03-08revise.pdf
obiwanobiwan (248 D)
13 Jan 12 UTC
When did I say it was.........?????
Fasces349 (0 DX)
13 Jan 12 UTC
"Income inequality...are you saying we should all have the same income regardless of skill or job?"
obiwanobiwan (248 D)
13 Jan 12 UTC
Do you think a CEO or lawyer or doctor or professor should be paid the same as a fry cook or janitor or so?

Not that there's anything wrong with being a janitor or fry cook--but they don't perform the same level of utility as a lawyer or doctor.

John Rawls--give him a read, when you quit trolling the forum...
George Will is 70 years old. If he is so against wealth redistribution, Medicade and other forms of government assistance... when he retires he should not accept any form of assistance. He should stand on his principles.
Fasces349 (0 DX)
13 Jan 12 UTC
"Do you think a CEO or lawyer or doctor or professor should be paid the same as a fry cook or janitor or so?

Not that there's anything wrong with being a janitor or fry cook--but they don't perform the same level of utility as a lawyer or doctor."
Agreed, you were trolling just now by claiming TC was a communist for admitting that income inequality is a problem.

Also I haven't been trolling this thread, but posting what I truly believe. I don't always troll...
ulytau (541 D)
13 Jan 12 UTC
You aren't trolling, Fasces, you just have reading issues. I explicitly said that the GDP in the USA is higher in Europe (also, those richer countries are Luxembourg and Norway, by far not city-states and apart from the tax policy in Luxembourg, definitely socialist by American standards).

And sorry, but measuring social mobility by the fact that the top 1% is not entrenched there forever might be enough for countries that aspire to move away from plutocracy but definitely not enough for a developed democracy. Social mobility is primarily about the chance for lower and middle class to move up. In the USA, this chance is significantly smaller than in Europe. Income mobility is a primary factor here, which is in turn affected by other like the chance of achieving tertiary education (much lower for American lower class).
Maniac (189 D(B))
13 Jan 12 UTC
@TC - George Will may have a point about what is wrong (although I concede nothing) but that doesn't help in a s much as the alternative ie not helping people with children; those in poverty and the elderly could also lead to unpleasant consquences. I would prefer to see an article or two on what people would do in the alternative rather than just telling us how bad things are.
Fasces349 (0 DX)
13 Jan 12 UTC
@Ul: The popualtion of Lux is 505,831, the population of Norway is 4.8 million. In your terms neither of those are city states.

Yet Singapore (population 5 million) is...

The fact is Norway and Luxembourg are tiny countries, countries so small that there are cities with populations 7 times the say of the former and 70 times as large as the latter. Socialism works better in the small scale, so of course for countries like Norway and Luxembourg we see some success.

I know that almost 60% of Americas in the lowest income quintile are no longer there after 10 years. I have no idea how your data calculated income mobility but by the looks of it if focused more on the change of average income in the quintiles (which is how you calculate the change of income inequality, not mobility, and seems to assume that income mobility=change of income inequality which is not the case. ). As a result I have no accurate data for income mobility in Europe, but not that in America, the classes are changing.
ulytau (541 D)
13 Jan 12 UTC
City-state is a well-defined term so stop acting stupid. And that definition certainly isn't related to population if you need a hint. Or is Canada a city-state because Tokyo has more inhabitants (suburbs included)?

The correlation between parental and offspring quintiles (and conversely, intergenerational elasticity of earnings) are much higher on the very top and very bottom
in the USA than in Europe. That is income immobility, plain and simple.

http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/2006/04/Hertz_MobilityAnalysis.pdf
(page 2 for international comparison and page 9 for the quintile matrix)
Tettleton's Chew (0 DX)
14 Jan 12 UTC
Amerikan Tourist, What an idiotic post. The government imposes a ponzi scheme, otherwise known as social security, on the population and you use the word "principle" when discussing it. You head is so far up your ass you wipe your but with Kleenex when you blow your nose.

It's disturbing how many helpless imps frequent this site. I always thought diplomacy was a thinking man's game, but the majority of brain dead cretans on here shows me it sure isn't a thinking man's game when played in cyberspace.
Tettleton's Chew (0 DX)
14 Jan 12 UTC
Maniac, I had hope for you but whenever you post such a juvenille line of argument as "not helping people with children" I realize you are just another idiot throwing about hyperbole.

At least it is easy to tell who gets government checks and who earns their own living reading posts in this forum.
Tettleton's Chew (0 DX)
14 Jan 12 UTC
I wonder what the foolish teenagers and twenty-somethings on this site will do when they get the tax bills for the benefits their grandparents borrowing from them?
The "occupy" movements already showed how ignorant the teenagers and twenty somethings in America are.

You would think that after spending $50,000 to $100,000 on a four-year education (no doubt today's generation of liberal imps takes five or six to complete a four-year) degree) you would expect to have acquired the ability to make a living.

I'm going to smoke a bowl and go visit my grand kids tonight. It is never to early to teach them that personal responsibility and not making excuses for anything is the only way to live and that they should expect the same from anyone they meet and steer clear of those who can't live up to the standard.

It sure worked for my kids.

Good luck to the idiots out their. I can't imagine their depressed anxiety filled existence making excuses all day long and blaming someone else constantly for their own failings.


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orathaic (1009 D(B))
13 Jan 12 UTC
just to continue the america bashing...
http://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/singer82/English

'the problem may not be with US citizens’ attitudes, but rather that, at the federal level, the US political system allows industries with large campaign chests too much power to thwart the wishes of popular majorities.'
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chris-d-9 (0 DX)
13 Jan 12 UTC
5 minute game starting
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=77779
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Diplomat33 (243 D(B))
13 Jan 12 UTC
Break Time!!!
After I finish my two games I'm planning on taking a break about 1 month from the site. Enjoy!
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zultar (4180 DMod(P))
13 Jan 12 UTC
Practice
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=77770
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Sandgoose (0 DX)
13 Jan 12 UTC
Homeless Diplomacy
Will it ever happen where a person can get down to 0 D ? And if that happens, how can you get points back?
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Gumers (607 D)
11 Jan 12 UTC
Paused games
Why there is so many paused games? (12 pages)
When will these games continue? Only when somebody joined the abandoned powers? What if nobody joins?
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Norbert (0 DX)
11 Jan 12 UTC
YOU DON'T KNOW SHIT ABOUT THE CONGO
THEY EAT PEOPLE ALIVE DOWN THERE. DON'T FUCK WITH ME.
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Diplomat33 (243 D(B))
13 Jan 12 UTC
New Thread
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goldfinger0303 (3157 DMod)
13 Jan 12 UTC
Mod Team
Please check your email...very urgent
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Tru Ninja (1016 D(S))
12 Jan 12 UTC
woka
woka woka woka
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NigelFarage (567 D)
07 Jan 12 UTC
World Live Games
Anyone up for one? I want to coordinate one, but using the regular live game thread appears not to work. I might plan one for tonight at around 11 eastern. Is anyone interested?
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Agent K (0 DX)
03 Jan 12 UTC
Need Players!!!! New WTA Tournament - Agent K Open
Agent K Tourney. details in other thread
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obiwanobiwan (248 D)
12 Jan 12 UTC
Anyone up for a Sci-Fi World Game?
I already tried this on a Normal Map with just Star Trek...and was eliminated first (damn you, double-crossing Vulcans, how dare yu stab me, even if it WAS the logical thing to do!) but it seemed to go well: how about a World match (low bet, as it's World and it can be more accessible that way) with races from different Sci-Fi series? BORG vs. DALEKS! KLINGON EMPIRE vs. GALACTIC EMPIRE! CYBERMEN vs. CYLONS! FEDERATION vs. BABYLON 5 PEOPLE (yeah, don't knwo their name....!)
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idealist (680 D)
12 Jan 12 UTC
to all in the live game
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=77658

an emergency came up, i must take leave. will you guys hold for 2 turns and let me CD so someone else can take over?
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Dharmaton (2398 D)
12 Jan 12 UTC
THE GRAND KING OF THE WAVES ! * TEAHUPOO *
See vid!
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King Atom (100 D)
12 Jan 12 UTC
Need A Sitter
Why yes, I need a sitter who can watch this account and the one on vdip.

I haven't got many games going, and I shouldn't be gone more than a week.
It's just that next week is exam week and I need the time off.
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belegiii (100 D)
12 Jan 12 UTC
5 mins game cmon :)
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=77659
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MrHolmes (0 DX)
11 Jan 12 UTC
Rank
Please, how the ranking is? Most then 150 ponts to left political puppet?
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Haert (234 D)
10 Jan 12 UTC
Logic puzzle: 4 is universal
The idea is that there is a pattern or set our rules by which every number is assigned another number and if you continue to apply this pattern you will eventually reach the number 4. For example: 20 is 6, 6 is 3, 3 is 5, 5 is 4, and 4 is 4, thus 4 is universal. The object of the puzzle is to figure out the pattern. Reply with any number and I will show how it becomes 4. If you figure it out, please post an example to show you know it instead of posting the answer.
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