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As a member of the exclusive Dip-vets group ACD (Academy of Creative Destruction), i'd invite you to check their website and read my thread and invitation contained below (http://olegrumpy.net/ACD/ACD_main.html)
As most of you are well aware, the game of Diplomacy pre-dates webdiplomacy.net by many decades... and even the game's online life began well before many of those in this community were born. One of the pillars of the pre-php online dipping world was Cat23 (quick history here: http://olegrumpy.net/ACD/ACD_history.html) and its prestigious offshoot, "The Academy"
The Academy's roots lie in the phenomenon that haunts today's webdip games almost to the degree that it haunted the earliest postal dip games - the dreaded NMR and CD. you see, in the early 90s as the PBEM (play by email) version of the game exploded in popularity along with the Cat23 community, there was a deep desire on the part of many veteran players to find not only like-minded lovers of the game, but also competent, fun, and committed players who would stand by their nation to the last dot while being both a joy and a challange to play with.
So the Academy was formed as a bastion for the best players among the 1000s that, at the time, thrived in the Cat23 orbit. To this day, membership in this elite institution is by invitation only, and each nominee for membership must be seconded by two current members before being put to a vote by the entire group for admission, and criteria for inclusion include not only the demonstrated commitment to finish games, but also exemplary skills in the diplomatic, tactical, and strategic arts that make one a expert Dip player.
I share this with you all mainly for two overlapping reasons.
First - because I am inviting my fellow ACD'ers to join this site and to play this beautiful game on a what is, to them, a new platform. In order to show them a rockin' good time, i'd like to invite them into games with some of our top players, mainly as a way of introducing them not only to the mechanics of the game here, but also the 'culture' of webdiplomacy.
Second - because I believe there are many on this site who heartily deserve the distinction of being invited into this elite group (I for one, wear my ACD badge with honor, and I know there are others here who the Academy would be proud to call its own), and I hope some of these games might serve as opportunities for current ACD members to get to know webdip's best and brightest and thus decide to second their respective nominations when the time comes.
There are a few ulterior motives I have for attempting to engineer this cross pollination: 1) I think this attempt can serve as a bridge between the PBEM world and the phpdip world 2) I fear (with some reason) that some of the PBEM folks are heading towards playdiplomacy instead of here without our active outreach - and we would benefit from their experience and inclusion here 3) ACD activity has slowed in the past few years and I'd like to help revive it with ACD-only games played on this platform and 4) I always enjoy introducing old friends to new friends =)
also - it should be said that though in the past, most ACD-only games were played via the PBEM platform, the password protections and upcoming variants allow for this site to host ACD games as well as any GM would in the past.
so with all that said - the main reason I'm posting this is to inform this community of ACD's existence (and to ferret out any former Cat23 players already hear or current ACD members lurking in our midst). But also to recruit some of you top players who would be interested in being included in any games with some of the ACD folks that decide to join this site.
I'm inviting some top ppl to play on this site, and I've promised them solid competition... who among our top-ranking players would be willing to risk their GR against these vets appearing in the garb of 'newbs'?
also - the ACD site only lists ACD games since 2006... somewhere in the google-cache-world of the net is a hundreds upon hundreds long list of games played via Cat23 and the Academy of yesteryear...
I could hardly call myself a top player (or even a prestigious one, for that matter), but would be honored to be included in these games you speak of. Of course, I wouldn't be joining one for a few months.
I would be interested, Babak, though have vowed to not start any new non-Masters games for two weeks, since I will be out of town the weekend of the 16th... but I often change my mind (especially since I'm dying to start a new GhostRatingChallenge game that is anonymous)! Please keep me posted.
Hey Babak. I used to play Cat23 back in the day. Even took a first round game in the Worldmasters Tournament one year. I just got back into Dip on this site a little while ago. Let me know if I can jump in with you. I understand if my stats on this site are a little, thin. But give me time. They will be right up there in no time.
Babak, I've popped in here too, if you need some more ACD members to participate in games, otherwise, I may just watch the games you start so as to comment when we discuss who might want to be invited into ACD.
i doubt i'm a top player, but i've cd once because of an unexpected event in my family life and i don't NMR. i play till i don't have anything left on the board/map. and i feel as though i am pretty fun to play with, at least as far as i know there aren't to many(if any) people who have blacklisted me :)
Any idea what are the average age/experience level of players on this site? I ask because of the this ACD thread. I have a lot of experience (well, some) and some age (maybe a lot) but not much experience on this site. So I wonder how I would qualify for a game with more experienced players or do I just have to slog through games and accumulate points?
mdrltc, the idea of the points is that people that have proven themselves are able to play larger pot games. But there are alternatives as well.
There is the Masters which is a 49 player tournament where everone faces everyone else once for a total of 8 games per person with one starting per month. Lot of good players in there. We're in the middle of this year's Masters but I think Ghost was recruiting for some replacement players so you might be able to get in on some of those games.
There is the League which has several levels, Premier, A, B1 and B2, C1 through C3, and D1 through D4 or 5 I think. There are two of these a year so you could get into the spring one but you would probably start at the D level and have to work your way up. And again, sometimes replacement players are needed for the current season and that could get you up to the C league if you play your cards right.
And of course you can arrange your own games. Create a game with a password, then invite people you know to join, or invite people on the forum and send them the password via a private message if they meet what you are looking for. Or try and get in on some of such games by applying to whoever started it stating your total diplomacy experience.
I second abemacht. I've never CD'd and have only NMR'd by mistake (and even that very rarely) and it sounds like a fun challenge. My only question is whether they are overly serious in their gaming because my sense of humour has been off-putting to some (where they don't feel I take the game seriously enough). Outside of that, I'd be interested if they felt consideration was due.
I'd like to be considered for this game, though I am far from the top player on this site. I do enjoy a good high quality game. I've also never CD'd and have only NMR'd by mistake. I do take my diplomacy fairly seriously and I've never been on to give up.
I'm still rounding up players on the ACD email list, so there maybe an all-ACD game and then a mix ACD/webdip game... will update you all by the end of the week.
the mix game which i was envisioning, seems to have plenty of takers here (based on the responses) so for the official ACD mixer, i might have to implement some sort of mechanism (most likely Ghost Rating - or a "pure WTA" GR if such a thing existed - *wink wink*) but i'm also sure that as the ACD players join this site, they'd like to play 'regular' games too, so they can mingle with others in the community...
that is MY vision anyways - we'll see how others react.
also - any former CAT23 members or ACD members here (those that already posted or others who have yet to do so) please do feel free to share your memories of the old PBEM days and what was so positive and/or negative compared to the webdip community... might be interesting to some of the new dippers here... I for one have plenty of fond memories from my PBEM days - GM adjudication with good GMs was like having a GhostMaker in every game, they were also commenting... we also had 'themed' games which were fun, not to mention the numerous variants that were played. The community Chat lists were also great, much like our forum here... of course, many of those same positive qualities have been replicated here, some can not be, and we certainly have yet others that the CAT23 and ACD groups could not even dream of (Ghostrating anyone? or the Leagues here... not to mention 24hr games and livegames)
anyways - take a trip down memory lane, turn on nostalgia corner, and tell us what lives there ;)
Hey Babak, I've signed up here and played a couple of live games already (although I've learnt that 5 minute turns is not for me). I'm ready and willing to join the ACD game or the mixed game. Cheers Ian
5 minutes with full-press is not really possible - may as well be gunboat. But the 10 minute game I played was a fun way to occupy a quiet afternoon.
Looking forward to playing some longer turn games - especially to get a feel for the diplomacy styles of the players here. Babak has had good things to say over at ACD so interested to judge for myself!
Babak and I go way back in Cat23 (although we're relative newcomers compared to some of the ACDers) - I just wish I could remember some of those early games ;)
well on here you can relive any game you want to :) especially those amazing wins, or the nail biting survives. :)
there's just about every style of play you could imagine. it amazes me the things that people come up with. though i'm sure you're no new comer to some crazy moves. no matter how you play diplomacy someones always got a bag of tricks
It's all about the crowd Ina 5 minute game sometimes great diplomacy can be conducted but you are right 10 minutes is better for a full experience but it takes 5 hours or more and I can't do that all the time
Well except when I get the bloody server errors. Not that it's a massive problem just annoying at time. I agree with you Venomous S about the 10min phases. Though I've had trouble finding people to play those with.
hehe Ian... glad you like the live games here - they are pretty regular now.. but indeed the higher caliber games specially the higher level league games and games based on Ghost Ratings are a lot of fun. it'll take you a few short months to get up to that 'level' but i'll get a game started.
by the way - Ghost (the guy who runs the ghost rating) is also doing a worlddip tournament and was asking me about setting up an ACD team - I think that would be a great idea... will email you about that too.
and welcome to the site - glad you are getting a handle on the interface etc
"by the way - Ghost (the guy who runs the ghost rating) is also doing a worlddip tournament and was asking me about setting up an ACD team - I think that would be a great idea... will email you about that too."
Babak, two of my five games are paused and my games are either 36 or 52 hours phases, so I think I could squeeze in one game if it was at least 36 hour phases and break my vow to not join any new games until the 18th... Think I'll also try to get an anon Ghost-Rating Challenge game as well... But, for the record, I'm very disappointed with myself!
I have a complaint of my own. In a recent game, I attacked Vienna when I meant to attack Venice. That was annoying as well as my ally was none too happy about it. Can you rename one of those two cities to something that starts with a 'B' or a "Z'? Say Be Nice or maybe Zienna?
Guys this is the freaking FOURTH time that I placed orders for Ion to Tun only to see my unit move to Gre instead. today I was staring at my orders for the last 30 minutes before the phase change ... and I KNOW I placed orders for Tunis. THIS IS RIDICULOUS. (gameID=17437)