or bounce?

If you do not order your fleet to convoy the army, then the army's attempt to move fails utterly and has no impact on anything else, as if it hadn't been ordered to move at all.

i actually have wondered this. if you do order a convoy by the fleet and the army, can it cut support? i know i could look it up, but i always seem to think of it when i don't really have time. and i wonder if the op was actually asking this question?

Yes, it's exactly the same as a land move. So, it would bounce, but cut support. Also the convoy cannot be broken unless the fleet is dislodged, so the action goes through even if another fleet attacks the convoying fleet.

Can a convoy cut support against the convoying fleet?

I don't think so.

Onar's question is one of the convoy paradoxes, and it's up to adjudicators how they want to resolve it. (Check the webDiplomacy DATC page, somewhere on the Help/FAQ pages, for more info)

I _believe_ webDiplomacy elects to have the convoy fail and the fleet dislodge. (In a way, a convoyed army attack is a bit like the convoying fleet instead attacking. In that case, it would be that you can't cut support on an attack aimed at your original territory, unless you dislodge the supporting unit.)

My favorite convoy paradox is this:

England:
F London Support F Wal > Eng

France:
F Eng convoy A Brest > London

Germany:
F Bel support F Nth > Eng

Resolve THAT one. :-)

What about this? I'm too lazy to put it into my adjudicator and look it up.

England:
F Nth convoy A Lon > Hol

France:
F Eng support F Bel > Nth

Germany:
A Kiel > Hol

Obviously, North Sea get's dislodged, but does Germany's move to Holland bounce with the failed convoy?

Right, a convoy can cut support (assuming that it is ordered by all parties and none of the fleets are dislodged) but cannot provide support.

No, there's no bounce.

(Sorry, my post took a while to write and doesn't actually address what people were talking about. Still I have the consolation that it is correct! ^_^)

I would think not, because the convoy never took place, so the English army isn't there to bounce with the German army. I'm too lazy to look it up as well, so I could be wrong.

I would think that it WOULD bounce, since a convoy is essentially just an extended move.

If he moved Nth > Hol, that move would bounce, so he shouldn't be penalized for trying a convoy... This makes convoys worse than normal moves, which shouldn't be the case.

rlumley. The adjudicator implements the Szykman rule. That means that the convoying fleet part of the situation fails to do his duties, while all orders are adjudicated as normal.

This means, that in the first situation the convoy fails, but the convoying fleet is not dislodged. The London support is not cut, because of the failing convoy.

In the second situation, a disrupted convoy can not bounce. The German unit will advance. This is tested by DATC.

Lucas

The German unit bounces with the English unit though unless the successful convoy cuts the support of the English unit.