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redhouse1938 (429 D)
13 Dec 13 UTC
Jang Song-thaek
Discuss
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RedSteamAge (100 D)
14 Dec 13 UTC
Join my game, and fast
It's called For the win, live. Join, divide and conquer
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2ndWhiteLine (2736 D(B))
13 Dec 13 UTC
Libraries > Pie, Baseball
http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2013/12/americans-still-care-about-their-public-libraries/282250/
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NigeeBaby (100 D(G))
12 Dec 13 UTC
What a pain in the arse.......
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-25344219
Gay Aussies getting married ..... not in their own country.
I don't get the opposition to gay people getting married ..... maybe some smart arse on the forum can explain why gay marriage is bad for society !!
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Yonni (136 D(S))
14 Dec 13 UTC
Time Stamp
A time stamp seems like a bit of a weird thing to include standard in a diplomacy game. For the older members, has it always been here? Was there a reasoning behind its implementation?
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bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
12 Dec 13 UTC
Ethan Couch
http://www.cnn.com/2013/12/11/us/texas-teen-dwi-wreck/
bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
12 Dec 13 UTC
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He killed four people while driving drunk and he gets PROBATION. What the fuck? He's going to be scarred for life, sure, but ten years of probation, and no prison, because he is - wait for it - "too wealthy?" His parents didn't teach him limits because he's spoiled? The fuck?!

500,000 people are in prison for non-violent drug offenses. THEY deserve probation, not this shitface.

How do you get off for being too wealthy... how do the 1% seem to come out on top in the criminal "justice" system...
Jamiet99uk (1307 D)
12 Dec 13 UTC
If the judge ruled that his parents were to blame, surely his parents should now be prosecuted?

I agree this is a fucked up judgement.
Draugnar (0 DX)
12 Dec 13 UTC
Beyond fucked up and the best thing will be when the families sue his family (who has been found liable through their negligent upbringing of this bastard) into the poor house. The families of the victims will, I hope, get together with one top notch attorney willing to take it on a contingency basis (I'm sure with this case there are plenty out there) and take away everything from them.

But then, he will kill again after he gets out of his long-term facility and then he will be an adult with no excuse and get life.
bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
12 Dec 13 UTC
Now they are calling it "affluenza."

Is this a joke? Is the sentence appealable?
Draugnar (0 DX)
12 Dec 13 UTC
Possibly, but very difficult if my understanding is correct. There have been appeals of "too lenient" that have held up, but they are few and far between.
ulytau (541 D)
12 Dec 13 UTC
The affluenza part is really fucked up and probably hurts the public view of the judge more than the support it gives to his decision. He could've easily backed up his decision by simply pointing out his age. Sentences like these are not unusual for someone of his age comitting similar crimes - not that it makes the sentences right that way. I think part of the issue is the age limit the states set for driving - when you set it lower than a limit for legal adulthood, you will always wind up with sentences lower than I believe they should be because of the appeal to the offender's age. If the society believes you are responsible enough to drive a car, you should be fully responsible when you fuck up while doing that, especially when you are driving intoxicated, which is "double" illegal when you are 16 (I also think that being allowed to drink long after you can drive or die for your country abroad is wrong but that's the way Americans want it so I respect that).
bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
12 Dec 13 UTC
If I had gotten a DUI at 16 I would have gotten the death penalty by way of my parents.

If I get a DUI ever, the same probably applies.
goldfinger0303 (3157 DMod)
12 Dec 13 UTC
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If he was black, his ass would be in jail for the next 25 years.
Randomizer (722 D)
13 Dec 13 UTC
Most other kids would have been tried as an adult or held as a juvenile in jail until they were an adult. It is possible as an adult to get off, but you really need some good circumstances like not being able to see the victims (next to a car) or a problem with the vehicle being driven.
Invictus (240 D)
13 Dec 13 UTC
The "affluenza" argument the kid's lawyer made through the psychiatrist's testimony is ridiculous. I wonder how it even got in.

However, before we let lose the dogs of outrage, I'd like to know if this is atypical sentencing for underage drunk drivers in Texas. Does Texas normally lock up children in prisons rather than put them on probation and enter them into a treatment facility, as this ruling does? If what happened here is what happens in this situation in Texas, then this is just a click-bait story that makes a normal case with a sexy anomaly (the stupid psychologist's argument) look like a horrible miscarriage of justice.

However, if Texas policy really is to throw 16 year olds who make tragic mistakes in prison then the ruling here is really quite disgusting. Almost as disgusting as that being the actual policy.
Did a little digging. It looks like in his county 1 in 3 juveniles are tried as adults when they are eligible to be done so. For his age group it moves closer to 1 in 2.
Invictus (240 D)
13 Dec 13 UTC
That doesn't tell us much since that data would, I assume, include all crimes.

Unless this ruling is way out of line with how other 16 years olds in this situation are treated, we should be mad at the lawyer for making such an offensive argument, not the judge's ruling.
Eh, that was the closest thing I could find to actual data on it. It wasn't specific enough.
bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
13 Dec 13 UTC
Invictus, if the judge had let the guy off with probation because he was 16, no one would have argued. We wouldn't have heard about it if not for this whole "affluenza" thing.
Invictus (240 D)
13 Dec 13 UTC
You don't know if the judge gave probation and rehab because of the psychologist's testimony on "affluenza." Just because the defense presents expert testimony doesn't mean the judge has to listen to it and include it in the reasoning behind the judgement.

Like I said, this may (if probation and rehab instead of prison is atypical for Texas in these situations) be nothing more than click bait. The journalist wants to get people in high dudgeon and get hits on his employer's site, despite reality being far less outrageous than things look at first glance. I'm not saying that's the case, but it's a real possibility.
bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
13 Dec 13 UTC
Then it worked.
VirtualBob (242 D)
13 Dec 13 UTC
It's worse than it looks. This kid has a history of being in trouble.
Invictus (240 D)
13 Dec 13 UTC
Hey, he could be a real piece of shit. I don't know or care. That's a separate issue, though.
krellin (80 DX)
13 Dec 13 UTC
"mad at the lawyer for making such an offensive argument"

For all of you mad at the obviously-offensive "affluenza" argument, are you equally appalled when lawyers/activists makes the argument that a kid isn't at fault because he's a "underprivileged" with no Dad in the home who's Momma work two minimum wage jobs to survive, yadda yadda yadda it's not his fault because he's had a poor upbringing blah blah blah?

Same argument applies to why some kids can't do good in school, can't succeed in work , etc. Is the opposite of "affluenza" a legitimate excuse for being a fuck-up?
Draugnar (0 DX)
13 Dec 13 UTC
I don't accept those excuses either, krellin. I get mad at any "excuse" for committing a crime when the person is old enough and mature enough (the two are different) to know better. Now, I don't blame the defense. It is their job to look for anything to get their client off. I blame the judge who buys into the bullshit theory or the jurors who were too stupid to see what is in front of their eyes.
krellin - those are real psychological effects that *explain* behavior. But in no way, shape or form do either of those justify behavior.
Draugnar (0 DX)
13 Dec 13 UTC
But should explaining the behavior be a reason to let a person off *for& their behavior? In my mind, no.
bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
13 Dec 13 UTC
It should be reason to get them help for the behavior but there are still consequences for actions done unto others.
Draugnar (0 DX)
13 Dec 13 UTC
And that I can agree with. But would you agree that probation only is not enough punishment for the action? I would have said "incarceration until 18 then 8 years probation" and kept the counseling requirement up. Or maybe 2 years of in clinic rehab then detention till 21 then 5 years of probation. But 10 years probation and order to get counseling is not enough. IF he is so "sick" with "affluenza," he needs to be taken out of the community until his "affluenza" is cured.
Randomizer (722 D)
13 Dec 13 UTC
If you want to see what happens to a person like this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/August_Busch_IV
Scroll down to his arrest record and remember he was underage when he was drinking and the original police report in the newspapers was that they couldn't get a hold of him for over a day until he had a lawyer and it was after blood tests wouldn't have been useful.


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erik8asandwich (298 D)
13 Dec 13 UTC
Does the NSA monitor WedDip forum posts?
...with Krellin on posting here all the time it seems plausible to say the least.
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bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
11 Dec 13 UTC
Pope Francis = Person of the Year
All of TIME Magazine's 132 subscribers will be invariably conflicted over this one I suppose... but hey, it wasn't Bashar Assad or Ted Cruz - or, Pope Francis forbid, Miley Cyrus!
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Al Swearengen (0 DX)
11 Dec 13 UTC
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Call for Players - Sandgoose Second Annual
as per below, Gentlemen
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steephie22 (182 D(S))
11 Dec 13 UTC
You'll never guess what my Biology teacher teached me...
Some not-too-fast girl thought there's oxygen in your urine.
The teacher explained: "there are no bubbles coming out of your wheenie!!" or something like that, roughly translated. She's hilarious.
In all honesty that was a small walk down memory lane, but anyway :)
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steephie22 (182 D(S))
12 Dec 13 UTC
Live Aid
We all understand Bon Jovi was undermining most local African authorities, right? Should he have done it 'by the book' instead? Surely the money could have been spent more efficiently, right?
What's efficient charity? Discuss.
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stiffmaster89 (193 D)
13 Dec 13 UTC
Search for experts
Are you a good player? Come to "professional league". Nothing for beginner
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2ndWhiteLine (2736 D(B))
03 Dec 13 UTC
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Abolish the TSA
This editorial was in USA Today (!) and makes a pretty good case - the TSA has never actually caught a terrorist, its incentives do not line up with those of travelers, and the type of terrorism it was designed to deter doesn't actually happen anymore.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2013/12/02/tsa-department-homeland-security-patriot-act-column/3796127/
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virtuslex (483 D(S))
11 Dec 13 UTC
Manners in Live Games
Spr 01 NMR ==> draw/cancel/end game.
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Skittles (1014 D)
11 Dec 13 UTC
ATTN: Other States in the Union
FROM: Florida
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grking (100 D)
11 Dec 13 UTC
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Inheritance Tax
I an inheritance tax (on sums larger than a certain amount, leaving a small sum to the heirs), keeps the capitalistic system going, levels the economic playing field somewhat, and requires the would-be dependents to go out and work. Furthermore, one who didn't want to pay in the form of taxes could give to the community through charitable donations. This system was supported by Andrew Carnegie in his "Gospel of Wealth", what arguments could be raised against it?
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Randomizer (722 D)
12 Dec 13 UTC
I wish I was this rich if I ever was in trouble
http://www.insideedition.com/headlines/7481-rich-teen-avoids-prison-for-fatal-dui-with-affluenza-defense

The son of rich Dallas parents got two years probation at a ultra rich rehab camp after killing 4 people and injured others when he drove at 70 mph into the group helping a motorist change a tire. The kid claimed he couldn't tell right from wrong because his parents bought him everything including apparently the judge.
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bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
12 Dec 13 UTC
When Athletes Fuck Up On Live TV
http://www.awfulannouncing.com/2013/december/amir-williams-remembers-he-s-on-live-tv-just-in-time.html

Self-explanatory.
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MitchellCurtiss (164 D)
10 Dec 13 UTC
Ducks
Comment with any feelings or stories about ducks you may have.
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hecks (164 D)
12 Dec 13 UTC
MLB Cracks Down on Home Plate Collisions
http://espn.go.com/mlb/hotstove13/story/_/id/10121849/mlb-intends-ban-home-plate-collisions-2015

What do people think about this? Are players getting soft, or is it about time?
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krellin (80 DX)
12 Dec 13 UTC
Global Cooling: A mere 40 Years Ago...
Remember when the Scientific Consence, including NASA, NCAR and other well respected groups of scientists were freaking out about the dramatic weather caused by the new ice age. Ahhhh...good times, good times...
http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/1970s-ice-age-scare/
http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2013/12/12/1974-ncar-called-global-cooling-the-new-norm-and-blamed-climate-disasters-on-it/
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SantaClausowitz (360 D)
08 Dec 13 UTC
How is the Syrian civil war going to end?
Taking thoughts.
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taos (281 D)
10 Dec 13 UTC
simple question
Feet in southarabia moves to egipt
Feet in egipt moves to northarabia
Fleet iraq supports move to northarabia
is it possible?
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Skittles (1014 D)
11 Dec 13 UTC
We need more of a late-night crowd
It's next to impossible to get a live game going around midnight, and even the forums tend to be pretty dead.
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2ndWhiteLine (2736 D(B))
10 Dec 13 UTC
Best Music of 2013
What are your favorite albums? Songs? Videos that aren't Blurred Lines?
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Feeniks (694 D)
11 Dec 13 UTC
Gunboat Games
What is the best way to improve at gunboat games? I've been told several times that I am a worthless waste of space. And I would like to become a waste of space with a minuscule bit of worth. How can I bridge the gap? I tend to do better when I can manipulate people into what I want them to do.
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VirtualBob (242 D)
11 Dec 13 UTC
Prediction on GR Release Date?
Just wondering ...
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Orka (785 D)
09 Dec 13 UTC
Join Stranger in a Strange Land-3
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=130718
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Wingnut99 (120 D)
11 Dec 13 UTC
I could use a little help with Game 131167
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=131167
I've got 5 open slots and would love to get the game started.
Modern Diplomacy II - Password: tothedeath
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MeowdolfKittler (100 D)
09 Dec 13 UTC
Word of the day
Utilize this thread to post random words and there definitions
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