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http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=94397

NOT A GUNBOAT
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Ruisdael (1529 D)
11 Jul 12 UTC
Thule bug?
I convoyed an army to Thule so I wouldn't have to make a double convoy to NWT, and now any time I try to move or convoy the army my Chrome page has an error and I have to reload. Fortunately I don't need the army, but it's an annoying bug because I'd like to try this move in a bigger game but don't want to risk the error. Anyone else encountered this? Here's the game:
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=89650
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Sargmacher (0 DX)
10 Jul 12 UTC
Sonnet 139, a perfect tribute to Diplomacy?
Discuss.
Sargmacher (0 DX)
10 Jul 12 UTC
O call not me to justify the wrong
That thy unkindness lays upon my heart.
Wound me not with thine eye, but with thy tongue;
Use pow'r with pow'r, and slay me not by art.
Tell me thou lov’st elsewhére; but in my sight,
Dear heart, forbear to glance thine eye aside.
What need’st thou wound with cunning when thy might
Is more than my o'er-pressed defense can bide?
Let me excuse thee: Ah, my love well knows
Her pretty looks have been mine enemies,
And therefore from my face she turns my foes,
That they elsewhére might dart their injuries.
  Yet do not so, but since I am near slain,
  Kill me outr'ght with looks, and rid my pain.
erik8asandwich (298 D)
10 Jul 12 UTC
There is a strange corilary there I will give you that.
achillies27 (100 D)
10 Jul 12 UTC
That seems pretty awesome.
obiwanobiwan (248 D)
11 Jul 12 UTC
And here I am...totally late, but here I am, flocking to this Shakespeare sonnet because...that's my shtick. ;)

That DOES fit Diplomacy well enough by itself, but...

Consider this on top of all of that:

Shakespeare's sonnets generally follow a sequence, that is, consecutive ones will often talk about the same person or topic...

The sonnet BEFORE this one, 138, is one of the most famous of Shakespeare's sonnets, and one my my favorites (and one I had drilled into my head by my Shakespeare professor in all three classes I took her for)...

"When my love swears that she is made of truth,
I do believe her though I know she lies,
That she might think me some untutored youth,
Unlearnèd in the world's false subtleties.
Thus vainly thinking that she thinks me young,
Although she knows my days are past the best,
Simply I credit her false-speaking tongue,
On both side thus is simple truth suppressed.
But wherefore says she not she is unjust?
And wherefore say not I that I am old?
O love's best habit is in seeming trust,
And age in love loves not to have years told.
Therefore I lie with her, and she with me,
And in our faults by lies we flattered be."

So, the one before this one ALSO deals with lies, damn lies and such (ie, the woman lies and says the speaker is youthful when he's old, and the speaker knows the woman's not faithful but goes along with it) but with the note that recognizing these little imperfections and having shared white lies is somewhat healthy for a relationship--

After all, "Therefore I lie with her, and she with me,"...

Lie there for, well, lying and...lying WITH... ;)

139 is also dealing with the imperfections of a relationship, but from the opposite end--138 shows how, in "Much Ado About Nothing"-style, some shared snark and white lies to one another can maybe be a good thing and lead to happiness (and bed) in a relationship, HERE...

No such taking of wrongs as being merely white lies or something to be overlooked, eh? It's a total 180:

138 shows the more fun, tongue-in-cheek, wink-friendly aspects of white lies and relationship foibles, and here it's a falling out and showing that it can bring pain...in 138, the speaker says that though his mistress claims she's made of truth he responds "I do believe her though I know she lies," and HERE...he knows she's seemingly being untrue, but no such acceptance of that there.

And on top of THAT--the subject matter...

Shakespeare's Dark Lady. Many theories who she was (it's generally accepted it wasn't his actual wife, Anne Hathaway) but if you read the sonnets as being somewhat autobiographical and "closer" to Shakespeare's life and intimate feelings than the plays...

Perhaps Shakespeare DID have a falling out with The Dark Lady in between, or perhaps they had a John Keats/Fanny Brawne situation where they loved each other but couldn't marry, and so her looks were "killing" Shakespeare as he couldn't marry her, and any explanations--that is, her "tongue"--hurt too much as well?

He DOES say "Ah, my love well knows/Her pretty looks have been mine enemies," so perhaps he's feeling spurned, or else she's caused him emotional or personal pain, or perhaps it is a feeling of longing, as 138 ends on a lighter note, the two sharing their faults and lying together literally and figuratively...here in 139, the impression is made that, instead of accepting one another, there's an imbalance, that she's too strong in some way or too alluring or too cunning or whatever else for his speaker, and so rather than shared faults making for a lighter, "Much Ado"-esque ending in 138, in 139 it's more like "Antony and Cleopatra," where the latter's persona and looks and charm all together are so overpowering that Antony is felled by it, that there is no compromise, and it brings the ruin of them both.

Cleopatra as a character WOULD fit the bill of Shakespeare's Dark Lady in some respects, though "Antony and Cleopatra" is considered to be one of his middle-to-late tragedies and his sonnets are considered to have mostly been written years before that...

Interestingly, 138, the "Much Ado"-friendly one, was disseminated to an extent in 1599, which is often roughly about the same year given for the production of "Much Ado About Nothing," so the corollary there seems all the stronger...

Following Much Ado, in 1600?

Likely candidates include "Twelfth Night" for that year (Orsino as a character at the beginning of the play DOES sound somewhat like 139's speaker if you take the speaker of 139 to be somewhat moaning and melodramatic in how he equates beautiful looks with pain and even potential attacks) and, of course...

"Hamlet" is often given between 1598-1601, with 1600-01 being the most popular years, and 1600 being the year I personally pick, just because it's a nice, round year, and it has evidence for it as well. :)

And HAMLET...well, there's some way to fit THAT saddened Dane into this if you really want to. ;)

So.

WAY more than anyone ever wanted to know or care...but yeah, it's a cool sonnet for Diplomacy. :p


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obiwanobiwan (248 D)
09 Jul 12 UTC
Ah, Mr. Jefferson, Where HAVE You Gone...Tax Atheists For Not Going To Church? HA!
http://clergygonewild.com/cults/53-other-cults/1670-christian-leader-wants-to-tax-atheists-for-not-going-to-church
Surely everyone here can agree this is simply ludicrous? Even if you're a believer...well, by that logic, what do you do with Muslims and practicing Jews? Tax them for attending Temple or Mosque instead of Church? What DID ever happen to our American belief in a Separation of Church and State?
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Gunfighter06 (224 D)
09 Jul 12 UTC
USS Iowa (BB-61) vs. IJN Yamato
To commemorate the Iowa's recent opening as a museum ship (and the official end of the battleship as a weapon of naval warfare), who do you think would win between a head-to-head, one-on-one match-up between the USS Iowa (or any Iowa-class) and the Yamato?
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King Atom (100 D)
04 Jul 12 UTC
Happy America Day!
Today we celebrate our independence. Don't forget what that means when today is gone, though. Good tidings to all you fellow Americans on literally the greatest day in all of Earth's history. And don't any of you British forget what today is all about either!
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dD_ShockTrooper (1199 D)
10 Jul 12 UTC
Guessing Game
How many years do you think it will take before USA collapses? I'm betting on about 50 years, what about you?
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Crazy Anglican (1067 D)
10 Jul 12 UTC
Alternate Usernames you wish you could have used
After a while even the best username gets a little old..
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Zmaj (215 D(B))
10 Jul 12 UTC
EoG: Death market
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DK7 (0 DX)
02 Jul 12 UTC
**THE ULTIMATE SHOWDOWN**
5 game tourney, point per supply center, total points of all 5 games win, 2 gunboat 3 full press sign up here
need 6 people
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orathaic (1009 D(B))
10 Jul 12 UTC
i got attacking...
... (see inside)
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NEW GAME - CLASSIC AND NOT ANON
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=94234
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Riphen (198 D)
09 Jul 12 UTC
Highest Live Game Pot
I dont have that much Points but im going to try and set up one today at 6pm CST for all those interested.

2002 D will be the total pot. Im just wondering if that is a record?
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fairleym (199 D)
10 Jul 12 UTC
EOG Gunboat-340
Great game guys. would love to hear what you though.
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Celticfox (100 D(B))
10 Jul 12 UTC
Pet Adoption.
So we're looking at adopting another cat this weekend (that will bring us to 2 cats). Has anyone else found that some of the rescue for either cats or dogs have some ridiculous questions. Like where you work and the phones numbers. Your DL number and if they can come into your home and look around. I kid you not actual question off of some of the applications.
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Crazy Anglican (1067 D)
09 Jul 12 UTC
Dragon Con
I was wondering if anyone o nthe site was planning on being there in Atlanta Georgia on Labor Day Weekend.
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BosephJennett (866 D)
09 Jul 12 UTC
Protocol Question
Gunboat with prearranged pause for 24 hours that has not unpaused for several days. What is the process by which it can be unpaused?
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NigeeBaby (100 D(G))
09 Jul 12 UTC
It's only messing.......
.......it's not serious
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NigeeBaby (100 D(G))
09 Jul 12 UTC
A question about Diplomacy (not Jesus)........sorry to be boring
If a game has a 24-hour phase and everybody makes their Spring moves and Readys up in 5 minutes how long do you have to wait before it moves to the next phase?
Even in 24 hour games if everybody is Ready in 5 minutes would you not want the game to progress straight away.?
I know that the Retreat and Build phase work this way but not sure about the Diplomacy phases.
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JRMA (0 DX)
08 Jul 12 UTC
Question about retreat - Mods?
In the game, Against The World, (Don't know the game ID)Frozen Antartica retreated from Ddu to Vostok, can anyone explain how this is possible?
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Tru Ninja (1016 D(S))
09 Jul 12 UTC
Full Disclosure Games Players
If you took part or are still in the Full Disclosure games, Don't forget to copy and paste your messages from your messages tab and email it to me at [email protected].

Email your messages either when you're eliminated or when the game is over. When your game has completed, I will put together the messages and send a copy to everyone in your game. Please include your screen name and game you were in as well as your country you played in your email. Thanks!
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Gobbledydook (1389 D(B))
07 Jul 12 UTC
Gobbledydook Gunboat Challenge
See thread for results.
Congratulations to CSteinhardt for a stunning victory!
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SpeakerToAliens (147 D(S))
08 Jul 12 UTC
Hope you're all aware of this threat
http://news.sky.com/story/956877/warning-as-web-is-braced-for-malware-meltdown

There's a link at the end of the article.
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seth24c (5659 D)
09 Jul 12 UTC
EoG Live WTA-GB-44
good game all
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fairleym (199 D)
09 Jul 12 UTC
EOG Fast Game-79
http://www.webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=94087. My thoughts in the messages
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piping_piper (363 D)
08 Jul 12 UTC
I need a sitter
PM me for details, it's the only game I'm currently in.
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Bob Genghiskhan (1233 D)
08 Jul 12 UTC
So, what wound up as the final results of the Gobbledygook Gunboat Tourney?
I just realized that it's no longer showing up on my board as a vivid reminder of my failure.
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NigeeBaby (100 D(G))
06 Jul 12 UTC
Classic music........
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GkVhgIeGJQ
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Crazy Anglican (1067 D)
08 Jul 12 UTC
Napoleonic Diplomacy
Especially for live games.
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Tru Ninja (1016 D(S))
07 Jul 12 UTC
What would you do?
Too many characters, question coming below...
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