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☺ (1304 D)
18 Feb 11 UTC
Quotes
I obsessively collect quotes. I have a collection of over 90, ranging on a variety of subjects. I'd love to expand my collection. What are some of yours?
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maltizok (787 D)
13 Feb 11 UTC
RANTING
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spartans (0 DX)
17 Feb 11 UTC
games
i doent understand why, people doent play 5 minute phases mutch. if your bord and wanna play your not just going to sit and wate 3 days for a phase! >:(
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terry32smith (0 DX)
18 Feb 11 UTC
Live - 5 min - World Diplomacy @ 12:50pm PST
Let's play a live World Diplo game. 5 min phases. All messaging ok

http://www.webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=50833
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gigantor (404 D)
17 Feb 11 UTC
A Request
More inside.
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aoe3rules (949 D)
17 Feb 11 UTC
Anyone for a game?
101 D bet, PPSC, 36 h phases. And the name of the game is not even as brilliant as all of our subtle stabs will be...

ABCDE, starts in 3 days.
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orathaic (1009 D(B))
18 Feb 11 UTC
Why i'm unimpressed by Watson...
More inside...
orathaic (1009 D(B))
18 Feb 11 UTC

Basically IBM spent millions if not billions in research when a small company created a solution for a few thousand...

what is that company called? Well the first point is google acquired them in early 2010. The company and product are both called Aardvark, it is social search.

So, compared to Watson, how does it work?

Well rather simple, (and normally the best ideas are the simple ones!) it finds a person who can answer the question you ask - and it asks you questions that it thinks you can answer.

Basically a match-making service for question-answer pairs.

It does some simple natural language processing but only to figure out what topic you are asking about, and then it asks you to correct in case it made a mistake in the topic.

It runs out of a chat window, so you basically IM aardvark with your question and it IM's you back your answer! Or it will IM you a question... or even be nice and ask if you're busy first...

This makes it a great service for local knowledge, you can ask it for a good nigth club in a town you are visiting... but theoretically the network could include any group of people, knowledegable doctors could offer advice to other doctors about a treatment IF they are sharing this social network.

The best thing about it is it soo freaking cheap.

The worst thing is the lack of community. Unlike webdip, with our social rules and restraints, there is no intro to 'polite or acceptable' behaviour on aardvark. You can answer a question with : lmgtfy ( http://lmgtfy.com/?q=lmgtfy ) but if everyone already knew that people only asked aardvark questions after google had failed them then this wouldn't be needed...

One person can tell you to lookup google, but there is no way to suggest to EVERYONE that they google things first... (though that is normally what most people do first anyway...)

The other downside is that if peopel are NOT on the network it can't contact them.

So i urge you, add arrdvark to you IM client, and you'll get a few questions each day that it thinks you can answer, and have access to what could be one of the greatest (cheapest) inventions ever to leverage the power of human computation!!

Also why are we bothering to waste money designing computers to do something which humans are already great at doing (natural language processing?) we're social creatures by nature! Let us continue to leverage this fact!!

Now i'll admit that Watson could probably learn a lot by asking questions on aardvark (and seeing if it can understand their responces... ) but i still thinks it's a horrible waste of a fucking super-computer.

Sure Watson can answer things a little bit faster than Aardvark, but it still has serious difficulties with some questions, and with 10,000 humans (professionals in any given field) connected to an aardvark network you'd get answers almost as fast AND you'd get, 'nobody knows that' as an answer some of the time (whereas Watson can also come back with, 'I don't really know for sure...')

I think Aardvark combined with wikipedia's community (which is much closer to a forum based conversation, ie a persistant one, rather than an IM-based one) will be the 'simple' idea which turns knowledge retriveal on it's head NOT Watson.
Iceray0 (266 D(B))
18 Feb 11 UTC
I agree, Watson is a piece of shit.
orathaic (1009 D(B))
18 Feb 11 UTC
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not a piece of shit, an amazing piece of natural language processing, which is far more expensive ($1million) than getting the professionals in any field into a network capable of generating better answers!

infact i think education could be taking advantage of social networks and communal information resources in a much better way. Watson is not somehting i can see being put in every school in the world today.

Every school could have one netbook and a forum for teachers and students where the student asks a question (on any topic not understood on the ciriculum) and a teacher answers (or refers them to an answer given elsewhere... or answers and links their answer to the other answers!)

With questions seperated into topic, class/year... etc. Easy to find, wiki-like conversations between teachers to get the best answers! multiple answers to every question so students can find one they can understand...

self-organised so students can look at questions at their own 'level'

All it needs is a points scoring system and ranking between friends to become an amazing education game!
abgemacht (1076 D(G))
18 Feb 11 UTC
I feel like you're comparing apple and oranges. The ability to which Watson can understand human language far surpasses anything else. That's the point. Obviously, winning at Jeopardy! isn't important, but the same skills can be applied to many different fields.
orathaic (1009 D(B))
18 Feb 11 UTC
</rant>...
orathaic (1009 D(B))
18 Feb 11 UTC
The ability to which Watson can understand human language barely surpasses a human.

on a cost effectiveness measure humans cost less than $1million and are therefore better.

The only advantage Watson has is that you can hook-up multiple Watsons together, but you can do that with humans and get even more intelligent answers!

There is no information retrieval system which can be useful if it only retrieves information which a human can't understand, thus we are always going to rely upon humans as the basic unit of understanding...

i mean, Watson doens't generate new knowledge, and until you understand somethign you can't know what is new to generate, so if humans are the end point of all new knowledge watson can at best be used to connect different experts together in a better way... and natural language processing is not neccesarily needed for that!
ulytau (541 D)
18 Feb 11 UTC
Watson is poor and old-fashioned man's Wolfram Alpha.

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orathaic (1009 D(B))
18 Feb 11 UTC
The same natural language processing can be done by millions of humans all over the world. They are already in place in hundreds of different fields!

accumulating and aggregating knowledge is not something Watson can currently do, and yes because we happen to have all our knowledge stored in natural language it is hard for computer to process it, but humans computation can be leveraged to do just this!

We can form a social network to do much better information aggregation! if a single human doens't understand the whole topic then i don't think Watson has the capability of, by reading everything every human has written o nthe topic, come up with a better understanding... (just a best guess about what humans already know)

i say ask the frakking human already!

damn, i though i had finished ranting... maybe there a bit more in me tonight!
xpedior (707 D)
18 Feb 11 UTC
Just tried out Aardvark and resutl was the following:

me: What is the best site to play online diplomacy?
aardvark-​g209: Got it.
aardvark-​g209:
(From Dilipkumar J./27/M/Mumbai,India, Re: **diplomacy**)
Playdiplomacy.com
aoe3rules (949 D)
18 Feb 11 UTC
xpedior: Well, that's not aardvark's fault, people are just idiots.
Thucydides (864 D(B))
18 Feb 11 UTC
yeah i dont think that was the point of watson orathaic

i think it was to be able to answer human questions on a range of topics as a computer.

getting your burning question answered is not the primary purpose of watson
Iceray0 (266 D(B))
18 Feb 11 UTC
http://imgur.com/x0x5U
I agree with Thucy. the point of Watson was really advertising the new technological capabilities that IBM has invented. Its basically our generation's version of Deep Blue about 15 years ago. the point is that this technology can advance a lot of fields
orathaic (1009 D(B))
18 Feb 11 UTC
:/ yeah the point was IBM has tonnes of money to waste on crap, and capitalism doens't work...

a company like Aardvark set up with a tiny start up capital, and turned it into a win. IBM threw enough money at this idea until it kinda worked... but that doesn't mean it was meaningful or useful...
but the technology can be used to turn it into something meaningful and useful. Plus the publicity they get out of this has to earn them some business, no?
Sorry, fyi you're talking to a guy who's local economy depends on IBM and half his family works/has worked at IBM. Plus they're already announcing deals with the health care industry for selling Watson-like products to hospitals. the advanced voice-recognition software can apparently help them do their job better and faster. Sounds like a win to me

http://newenterprise.allthingsd.com/20110217/done-with-silly-game-shows-ibms-watson-finds-a-job/
abgemacht (1076 D(G))
18 Feb 11 UTC
I'm not sure where this anger is coming from. As a technologist, I'm very excited about future prospects of Watson-like devices.

"The ability to which Watson can understand human language barely surpasses a human." I meant compared to any other machine. And now, Watson can not understand language nearly as well as a human.

Computers that can understand human language will create an entire new interface with which we can interact with them. Image a computer like in Star Trek. It could be used to teach, to assist the disabled, increase the ability to automate processes. Having a UI of natural speech completely changes the field of what we can do with computers.

You claim that humans can parse human information better than a computer. Well, yes, that's true (for the time being), but why should it be and why should humans have to deal with such things? We are notoriously inaccurate and unbiased. If you could have a computer, say, search through 100 years of newspapers, wouldn't that be better than having a human do it?

You keep talking about Aardvark, so I looked at it. Honestly, it just seems like a hack job between Google and Cha-Cha. Yeah, it's cool, but to even have it in the same thread as Watson leads me to believe you really don't understand what you're talking about.

There is no benefit to having a human answer a question if a machine could answer it instead. I mean, when the computer was first invented, it was sure as hell less expensive to just pay a bunch of people to crunch numbers, but we decided not to scrap the computer. How is this different?
spyman (424 D(G))
18 Feb 11 UTC
Advanced natural language processing has amazing possibilities. I work for a company which use natural language processing to mine data about brands in forums. I hate to say this but our product is crap. Human content analysis is much better - for now. But the times are changing. The possibilities are very exciting.
spyman (424 D(G))
18 Feb 11 UTC
I think it misses the point to compare it with aardvark though. The possibilities extend far beyond simply answering questions, whether that be Aardvark type questions or Jeapardy.
spyman (424 D(G))
18 Feb 11 UTC
*Jeopardy
Jamiet99uk (808 D)
18 Feb 11 UTC
@ ulyatau: "Watson is poor and old-fashioned man's Wolfram Alpha."

I tried Wolfram Alpha. It's shite. A nice idea perhaps but utter rubbish in practice - there are so many basic areas where Wolfram Alpha's knowledge is seriously lacking, therefore it is currently of very limited practical use.
Indybroughton (3407 D(G))
18 Feb 11 UTC
What will they call "Watson" when they adapt it to playing Democracy? "Socrates
"?


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LJ TYLER DURDEN (334 D)
18 Feb 11 UTC
Help Needed with an Application of sorts
A class I want to take next fall with a very distinguised professor (Jared Diamond) has an application as a prerequisite to enrolling. I have to write a one-page paper about myself and my interests. I'm not the most humble person in the world but for some reason I'm bad at bragging in this sort of context. Any tips from the webdip community?
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fuzzyhartle1 (100 D)
18 Feb 11 UTC
5 minute games
post any game phases under an hour post here
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Iceray0 (266 D(B))
18 Feb 11 UTC
Why?
http://imgur.com/qI6Cq
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CurruptBuckshot (100 D)
18 Feb 11 UTC
Live game
War 11 5 minute turns
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mongoose998 (294 D)
17 Feb 11 UTC
ATTN ALL Carouselambra PLAYERS
I am in need of a pause. I hate to do this, seeing Russia is so close to victory, yet i simply do not wish to CD, plus if you dont vote draw, the three day phase will drag this out terribly....
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fuzzyhartle1 (100 D)
17 Feb 11 UTC
flying turds
ALL PEOPLE JOIN MY FIVE MINUTE PHASE ITS A QUICK GAME AND ITS ON WORLD MAP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Sargmacher (0 DX)
17 Feb 11 UTC
1 day phase 500 pot game needs 2 more players!!
gameID=49614

Please join
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fuzzyhartle1 (100 D)
17 Feb 11 UTC
flying turds
all come my game its world diplomacy and its a five min phase
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Shevek (107 D)
17 Feb 11 UTC
Convoyed support?
I can't seem to figure out how to order support via convoy. Is that not supported in webDip?
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Draugnar (0 DX)
16 Feb 11 UTC
If I don't know you and we've never played...
Don't spam my PMs with your game invites!
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Giani (112 D)
17 Feb 11 UTC
Question about diplomacy.
My question is: When you are moving troops from two different countries into into enemy territory, can you stop the enemy's coutry you're attacking from moving or support moving?
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likewhat (100 D)
17 Feb 11 UTC
Quick game - to start about 7:38
basic europe map, bet of 10. come and join in
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baumhaeuer (245 D)
16 Feb 11 UTC
Ended up dropping off webdip a week
...not that anyone necessarily noticed :) Anyway, since I'm not playing all that much diplomacy as of late (school), and no games at the moment, what does that say about my identity on this forum, or legitimacy to be here? PS I watched my first Star Trek TNG episode. The one with the Ferengi and the planet that was sucking the energy out of the enterprise and the Ferengi ship. "What is Yankee Traders!?"
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baumhaeuer (245 D)
17 Feb 11 UTC
Trend in debate threads around here:
Has anyone noticed that, ever since Obi started posting his "Philosophy Weekly" threads, that there has been a drop in political threads and an increase in philosophy/religion threads, posted not only by him but also by others?
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Sargmacher (0 DX)
17 Feb 11 UTC
High stakes, Please join
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abgemacht (1076 D(G))
15 Feb 11 UTC
Jeopardy!
Skynet for $200

This IBM Supercomputer is going to continue to kick the asses of the world's best Jeopardy! players tonight.
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centurion1 (1478 D)
17 Feb 11 UTC
this stupidity deserves a thread
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=50665

the stupidity being mine....................................
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Geofram (130 D(B))
13 Feb 11 UTC
Looking for friendly competition for a learning game.
Any friends or new members that would understand this is just a lighthearted game meant to teach or reteach those of us that are rusty with words are welcome to join.
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Oliver the Great (100 D)
17 Feb 11 UTC
gameID=50690
gameID=50690
Classic live. Be there or be square
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Sargmacher (0 DX)
17 Feb 11 UTC
gameID=50534
3 more needed, please join!
Classic 250 D buy-in WTA, 1 day and 12 hours.
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Niwir (100 D)
17 Feb 11 UTC
New game
Game starting in 6 mins. Need 3 more players.
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Sheogorath (170 D)
17 Feb 11 UTC
Can people join this game?
gameID=47604&msgCountryID=7

So I know that playing with two profiles is illegal and wrong, however, I wouldn't mind someone taking over for the players who have ceased playing... ahem China... Anyways feel free to attack me if you wish, but I just hate it when players stop playing. Also if posting this info is illegal, which I don't think it is, than could you peoples tell me if such a thing is illegal.
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LJ TYLER DURDEN (334 D)
16 Feb 11 UTC
Fog of War Game on vDiplomacy
http://vdiplomacy.com/board.php?gameID=579

PM me for the password, but do it on my vDip account.
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