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ZhangFang (100 D)
31 Oct 09 UTC
Anyone who knows what does Airworhiness mean?
When I read a book about airplanes, I come accross the word "Airworthiness" and don't understand what it means. Is there anyone on this site know that? Thanks.
rlumley (0 DX)
31 Oct 09 UTC
Diplofool can probably tell you. He's a professor of Aeronautics and Airplanes.
ZhangFang (100 D)
31 Oct 09 UTC
Thanks rlumley.
zrallo (100 D)
31 Oct 09 UTC
have you ever heard the term "seaworthy" applied to ships? It's like that, but because it's airplanes it's for the air and not the sea... so it's just a general description of the condition of the plane
ddimitro (1120 D)
31 Oct 09 UTC
Per Wikipedia:

Airworthiness is a term used to dictate whether an aircraft is worthy of safe flight. It is illegal in most countries to fly an aircraft without first obtaining an airworthiness certificate from the responsible government agency. The airworthiness usually must be maintained by a program of inspections by an authorized Aircraft Maintenance Technician, typically performed annually, or after a fixed elapsed flight time, such as every 100 hours.
ag7433 (927 D(S))
31 Oct 09 UTC
It's also a formal title for Michael Jordan.
orathaic (1009 D(B))
31 Oct 09 UTC
no, isn't it airwhoriness? the amount by which the air is whorey?
ZhangFang (100 D)
01 Nov 09 UTC
I wonder why some airworthy airplanes crashed. WHat's the safety leverl of today's airplanes? The book tell me taking an airplane is likely the most safe way of long distance travel.
Acosmist (0 DX)
01 Nov 09 UTC
"no, isn't it airwhoriness? the amount by which the air is whorey?"

aerial refueling lol
*Cracks knuckles*

These guys are right on, so I won't bother.

Zhang, modern aircraft are ridiculously safe. You are hundreds as times as likely to be killed or injured on your way to/from the airport than actually flying. I use that statistic on the wife when I have to go fly in bad weather.
Also, I'm glad you're interested in aircraft and would be happy to answer any further questions.
ag7433 (927 D(S))
01 Nov 09 UTC

What do you do if there is something on the wing? Some. Thing.
orathaic (1009 D(B))
01 Nov 09 UTC
is it also true that more people die from falling coconuts than shark attacks each year? (those insideous coconuts are out to get us!)
rlumley (0 DX)
01 Nov 09 UTC
Diplofool, while you're here, can you answer some questions on aeronautics that I've had?

Are you suggesting coconuts are migratory?

In order to maintain air speed velocity, a swallow needs to beat its wings forty three times severy second, right?

And what if two swallows carried a coconut together?

Alderian (2425 D(S))
01 Nov 09 UTC
Frankly I consider that statistic on car deaths versus airplane deaths as an indicator of how out of control our traffic is. People drive like crazy and everyone thinks they are safe when they are far from safe. It's nuts how many people die or are injured by cars and no one seems to care.
Acosmist (0 DX)
01 Nov 09 UTC
There is a surfeit of caring.
ZhangFang (100 D)
01 Nov 09 UTC
Maybe what people dare is not death but is that they could not control there life.

The_Master_Warrior, thanks for your answer. The book says the chance of an aircraft crash should be no more than 1/1000000. Where does this standard come from? Is 1/1000000 reasonable and acceptable? Why not 1/10000000000 ?

TheGhostmaker (1545 D)
01 Nov 09 UTC
1/1000000 over what time period?
ZhangFang (100 D)
01 Nov 09 UTC
it means for every 1000000 flights, there will be one crash.
@rlumley - <Grin>

@Alderian - to cut the number of car related deaths replace all of the drivers safety systems (seat belt, airbag, collapsible steering column) with a rigid steering column topped by a 9 inch steel spike. The number of car deaths would fall dramatically.

@ZhnangFang - Reducing the chances of a catastrophic failure from 1/1000000 to 1/10000000000 would be prohibitively expensive.

It costs money to keep an aircraft airworthy. Every aircraft has an AF/BF (pronounced "Aff Baff") an After-Flight/Before flight inspection. This is also known as "count the wings and kick the tyres". It's to make sure all of the parts (antennas, pitot-heads, static wicks, wings, tyres, engines, etc.) are there and properly attached.

Every part has a lifetime-to-failure. For fixed wing aircraft, regular servicing is carried out to replace these parts before they become life-expired. For rotary wing aircraft, parts are replaced when half their expected life-time has expired (half-life to failure). This is done at a Minor Service.

Every few years the entire aircraft is stripped down to bare metal and all of the airframe is inspected for cracks and corrosion, then it is rebuilt and repainted (a Major Service).

All these steps make the aircraft as safe as economically viable. If you watch "Aircrash Investigation" you'll know that a significant number of crashes were caused by an airline reducing costs by stretching the intervals between services or even skipping them entirely. The parts failed and people died.

Real-world example: working on a helicopter squadron during a conflict long ago. We couldn't get spares, so the junior engineering officer signed half-life expired items as fit-to-fly (125 hours in this case). Every one had to be inspected and tested after every flight. But we still couldn't get spares so, after more flying hours (170), the senior engineering officer became involved. The part in question (part of the electrical power system) was well past its half-life but not yet at its full-life expectancy. It appeared functional and passed every test, so he signed it fit-to-fly. Eventually it reached its full 250 flying hours and we *still* couldn't get spares. The decision went even higher - but we needed the aircraft and, while a failure would end the mission it would not directly endanger the aircraft, which could fly back to base with its essential electrical systems run from the batteries. Why do I remember this? Because the part failed at 254 hours, just 4 hours past its expected lifetime to failure.
Acosmist (0 DX)
01 Nov 09 UTC
Pilot error, folks. Happy to help!
Just like any other human, pilots can make errors as well. What sets these errors apart is pilot error is very dangerous. Although the entire flight is automated from tarmac to tarmac, pilot error is still a factor.


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Tantris (2456 D)
31 Oct 09 UTC
New WTA Game
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=14862
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PBSmassacre (0 DX)
31 Oct 09 UTC
Blatant Cheating
Hello all, in this game: http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=14866&msgCountry=Global&rand=68144#chatboxanchor
there is clear meta-gaming occuring between France (Zrallo) and Germany (JIreland20). They are in %80 percent of the same games and are clearly meta-gaming in the above mentioned games. They have begun to half-heartedly attack eachother after being accused of Meta-gaming.
Someone please do something about this.
Good Day.
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masterninja (251 DX)
01 Nov 09 UTC
Crashed games
Come up in my profile as still playing... why?
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california (100 D)
01 Nov 09 UTC
Live Game
gameID=14895
play play play play play play play
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Awesomo (192 D)
01 Nov 09 UTC
Can't make moves
Hi
I'm in a gunboat game, gameID=14335, and no moves are working. I can pick something from the first box, like "Move" but no other box then appears. Who do I contact?
Thanks
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ZhangFang (100 D)
31 Oct 09 UTC
A BUG FOUND
We are able to exchange private mesages without known by other players in a "unanonymous public messaging only" game. How?

We could do this by going to the the player information page, couldn't we?
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masterninja (251 DX)
01 Nov 09 UTC
Fast game
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=14892

10 pt buy in- come on!
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TheSleepingBear (100 D)
31 Oct 09 UTC
Doh!
Playing my first anonymous game...taking forever to get players! How do advertise an anonymous game without ruining the anonymity?!
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masterninja (251 DX)
01 Nov 09 UTC
GAME STUCK
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=14883#gamePanel
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Crazyter (1335 D(G))
01 Nov 09 UTC
live game now http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=14883
with talking 5 in phases 10 pt bet
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=14883
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california (100 D)
31 Oct 09 UTC
Live Game
from the makers of Tidalist, Tidalist 2 and WORLD DOMINATION!!!!california presents...
PLAY THIS GAME gameID=14853
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icecream777 (100 D)
31 Oct 09 UTC
please join - 10 min turns
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curtis (8870 D)
31 Oct 09 UTC
Quick Play Its Halloween 5 min interval
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=14873
5 replies
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masterninja (251 DX)
31 Oct 09 UTC
New game- fast
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=14869

20 pts buy in
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denis (864 D)
31 Oct 09 UTC
3 more needed for a PP game
40 minutes left to join... Silver Wolf is in it if that helps
Timmi? orathiac? DJecc? zrallo?ZhangFang?Pandarsenic ?
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WhiteSammy (132 D)
31 Oct 09 UTC
Website Clock
According to my computer it is 1:59AM but on the website it says that it is 12:59AM....

do we have to change our timezone in order for the clock to be right?
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ZhangFang (100 D)
31 Oct 09 UTC
A live gunboat game just CRASHED...
If a game status reads crashed. What does it mean?

I'm playing in a live gunboat game, it just stopped when performing the adjustment 1907 phase. Why stop? All orders are in.
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otrajazda (100 D)
31 Oct 09 UTC
New live game
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amystu8699 (954 D)
31 Oct 09 UTC
St. Petersburg support move
In the game I hate Austria id#14313 I am trying to support move into St. P but it keeps changing it to Moscow. When I turn off the js code it allows me to place my move but later it changes it back to moscow. I will see
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zrallo (100 D)
31 Oct 09 UTC
live game now
http://www.webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=14866
2 replies
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Timmi88 (190 D)
31 Oct 09 UTC
Live Gunboat!
5 D buy in. WTA. 5 min phases. Anon.

http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=14861
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podium (498 D)
31 Oct 09 UTC
Bug in the system
In my game killswitch engage fans i cannot order my unit in Marseilles to support an attack on Spain/Sc.i can order Lyon to spain/sc but Marseilles has only the option of supporting to spain.no coastal desgination.Because of the other units are placed Marseilles can only support a move to spain from portugal and by convoy from belgium Lyon is not even listed as an option for a possible support or that an attack can made from there.This is a problem.

Podium
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zrallo (100 D)
31 Oct 09 UTC
live game now
http://www.webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=14865
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podium (498 D)
31 Oct 09 UTC
Bug in system
In my game killswitch engage fans.I am Italy and can not order Marseilles to support a move to Spain/SC from Lyon.I can order Lyon to Spain /SC but Marseilles in the support from where only lists Spain,Burgandy and Piemont as points that it can order support to no coastal desgination for Spain.What gives and who can fix this problem.

Podium
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denis (864 D)
31 Oct 09 UTC
Come join a Public Press Game
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=14846
I'll see you on the Dark Side of the Moon
or in global chat.m =)
I encourage people who haven't played a PP game to join
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DJEcc24 (246 D)
28 Oct 09 UTC
new variant. test it with me please.
http://careyj.com/dip/board.php?gameID=11#gamePanel
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rhino86 (4191 D)
31 Oct 09 UTC
Another bug
gameID=14625

North Africa cannot support West Med to Tunis
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Sicarius (673 D)
30 Oct 09 UTC
financial times article about copyrights
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/87c523a4-6b18-11de-861 D-00144feabdc0.html?nclick_check=1
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Draugnar (0 DX)
30 Oct 09 UTC
Real life just caught up with me...
Hi gang. I know some of you will hate to hear this and others of you will be cheering, but...

I have had a personal emergency that is going to pull me away from here for some time. I have asked Kestas to possibly dump me from my current games and pause them and have asked Ghost to find replacements for me in the Leagues and Masters Tourney.
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