Then we don't need any laws. Prevent those who have-issues from doing wrong things is necessary. The system has a bug. It needs to be fixed.

Why not?

You could join a game with two accounts and cheat that way. That isn't a bug, that's players cheating. If you wanted to cheat, there would be better ways of doing it than by communicating via the on-site message system.

If we find a bug, we fix it, is there any harm doing so?

What bug? You would have to know the other player to go to his or her page. Or do you mean public press only (not anonymous)?

And if you know the other player, what's to stop you from making a phone call or sending an email. The P2P messaging is not a bug and we are all on the honor system to not use it to violate the terms of a gunboat or public press game.

YES. Not anonymous. Public press only or Not anonymous, no press allowed

Oh, and so you are aware, the term bug means an actual error in the code. This is not a bug in that it was intended that players should have a means to communicate when they become friends without having to publicly do messages in the forums or force them to join a game together just so they can chat.

If we are in the same Not anonymous Public press or No press game., the site could easily disable the private messages betweeen us, when the game is over, unlock it.

Communicate is no problem, but at the right time.

Even if the PMs were disallowed, you could still send him an e-mail, don't you think?

Even if we have death laws, we can not prevent people killing. So we don't need any laws, right?

Death laws are illegal, and we don't have them here.

Apart from that, I see your point, but as it's impossible to prevent it, I think it's better this way. Because this way it is possible to demonstrate that they are cheating (if they use the site's PMs it is possible to find them), while if they have to move to mails they can cheat without giving us the chance to demonstrate that they are cheating.

Understood. No site can be 100% perfect. I reserve my opinion on this.

he means laws that PREVENT killing don't always work but we have them anyway.f
its a good point zhangfang, but most people show their email on their homepage anyway so prevention is always going to be very hard no matter what
It is risky approaching someone to try and cheat as they may report you, so i don't think its too much of a problem

I think we should have death laws. Anyone who sends a private message in a gunboat game could be stoned to death, those who multi-account could be shot, people who deliberately abuse an actual bug in the code might be hanged whilst those who use the threat of not unpausing to force a draw could be burned at the stake. What do you all reckon?

Its better this way, because you don't want to restrict people from talking to eachother about non-game related things. Since someone that motivated to cheat is going to do it anyway we may as well let them do it using the site so a mod can just look and tell if they have cheated and ban them. Third, we played no chat games on the honour system for ages and it worked just fine. Its just not worth it to be the first to send the message.

Can someone explain this to me? Is it that there's a way to tell who other anonymous players are?

The problem is a way that players can talk privately with others in a Non-anonymous game in which only public messages is allowed.(or no press is allowed ).

My primary idea is that, kestasjk, if we play in the same game as above described, system should better make it impossible for us to exchange PMs until the game is over.

Or we make all No-press game anonymous.

I think he's trying to say that if you're in a public press only (but NOT anonymous) game you shouldn't be allowed to send private messages to other players in that game. I guess it's a feature request he's incorrectly identifying as a bug....

I'd tend to agree with the rest of the folks in this thread that this would be both excessive and ineffective - as has been suggested, it's more likely that people cheating this way would just continue to do so on messengers or email.

ZhangFang; what about no-press anonymous games? If it is made so that you can't PM players which are in the same anonymous no-press game that could be used to tell whether players are in the same game as you
Also bear in mind people could PM each other via MSN/email addresses anyway. Should it also prevent displaying e-mail addresses, home-pages and profile comments? If someone logs out should that information then be visible, or should guests be unable to see these details in case they are logged-out users within the same game?

Before you answer these questions I'd also ask you don't exclaim "BUG FOUND, CAPS LOCK NECESSARY", since many regard caps-lock as internet-speak for "I am a dumbass", and many wouldn't regard this as a bug. It's not a good start to a constructive feature request/complaint

Parallelopiped - You forgot electrocution:]

》I guess it's a feature request he's incorrectly identifying as a bug....

Just the point. selquest explained exactly what I meant to say. English is not my first language. Sorry/

I like the idea that, all games that are not allowed to send in-game private messages, should better be set as Anonymous. This does not necessarily mean you don't know who is playing, but it ensure that you don't know who is playing what.

>Also bear in mind people could PM each other ....

I agree.

Certain players tend to gravitate towards each other and others just play a lot of games

If I want to PM someone about "League Game A" in a manner that would break no rules but can't because I'm in "Game Gunboat" with them that has rules limiting to communication, I'd be absolutely livid.

This is a relatively small community AND there is zero reward for winning. The feel-good moment only lasts when you played well or the game was intense. Meaning if you cheat in ANY way, or even win because of an NMR or CD, the game meant absolutely nothing to you, to the 6 opponents, or to anyone else that might even look at your statistics page.

And before you throw me that bollocks that people cheat for points, let me tell you this:

The point system exists so that the experienced players can prevent themselves from playing against new players. If you amass points by cheating or winning false games, you're not going to be experienced,
you're not going to win,
and you won't ever play those people again because they'll avoid you.

And they won't avoid you because they think you cheat, they'll avoid you because you suck at the game.

I don't hate cheaters because I lose to them or because my name might go down on a spreadsheet hosted offsite.

I hate cheaters because they are a reminder that there are people out there with such weak moral fiber, they're willing to break rules just because they can.

No reward,
no feel-good moment,
not even a "ha, i beat you and now you feel bad" moment

Just statistics in a database you can't even really brag about because the people worth bragging to can see right through you and they don't even give a shit.

For the record, I've played with one known cheater, and I've only thought I was a victim of cheating once outside of that.