I would not ask that question. I have strong views, but won't deny anyone disagree, as we are all individuals, no one more right than the other. I DO however, agree that kestas has the right to remove players and posts. It IS his site after all. He does not have ads so does not make money from here. Also, as his site, he can choose what goes on here. Especially if it brings his game into disrepute. GOOD WORK KESTAS. Some understand.:-)

I don't agree with fraushai

Oh and that bit about bringing his 'game' in disrepute should have read site...

I´m with fraushai, if you don´t like a post delete it Kestas.
But i think that you can´t kick out people who thinks different.
I can have the ideology that i wan´t.
Please readmit pitirre

pitirre is one of the most interesting players on the site. why was he banned anyway??

@canute
>Because he is politically incorrect. Idiots like him ought to >be reeducated

That's really not a good excuse. Acturally a very bad one. If people with different views of politics or belief should be banned from this site, I would say phpdiplomacy site is not a party sort of thing that kick dissidents and different voices out but a place for all kinds of people from all over the world to play diplomacy. To some extent, the game was meant to bring people together and some have fun together.

If pitirre has been banned for his "anti-US" posts (acturally I don't think he is anti-US enough), I think a better way to solve the problem may be ---- Do not allow any more threads of that kind started, including those anti-US, anti-capitalism, anti-Communisim, anti-any country. (After all, I believe this forum is not created to have people discuss politics.)

But I do feel that ban pitirre himself or herself is not a way with most reason and in fact it is not fair. Not to say for the sake of our site, "pitirre is one of the most interesting players on the site" ---- alamothe.




@VIOLA
>I´m with fraushai, if you don´t like a post delete it Kestas.
>But i think that you can´t kick out people who thinks different

That's the point.

kestas, you have every right to do what is best to this site. And I respect your work and effort on it. It is your site, it is also our site, everyone's site. pitirre seems not like a bad guy or girl, he deserves to enjoy this game and all of this site.

Would you consider readmitting pitirre? Of course on condition that no one will be allowed to start sensitive political threads any more, including pitirre himself.

Can we give him a chance? What do you say guys?

Sean had some ideas about how to handle this ...see his and susequent posts...can we have a set up whereby the political, philosophic and personal are separate from the game posts ?
The site does belong to Kestas and we are guests...and it behoves us to post our views accordingly....after all its called diplomacy for a reason.

wawlam59 get your FACTS straight. I never said he needs to be re educated. You idiot. Do not mouth off before checkin ya facts. Check on your abuse of viola, in case you blamed the wrong person again.:-) It was fraushai, read back.

And i agree wit sinned

Abuse of me?
I didn´t feel anything.
Please readmit Pitirre.
And i think that this site doesn´t belong to Kestas. This site belongs each one of us.

Kestas, please say something.
Why pitirre has been banned?
You can see yet the political posts in the forum, so if the reason are this posts, why don´t delete it?

@canute

I appologize for my mistake, canute. I was meant to say it to fraushai. But do you really need to call me idiot for that mistake? What's more, I have no idea how I abused of VIOLA. I'm pretty clear I agree with VIOLA on this matter.

Completely unrelated, I suspect redbarchetta is pitirre. :>

This is just surmising but:
It was not that he made political posts or the opinions he expressed in them. Kestas stated that off-topic discussions were certainly allowed. The problem was pitirre's continued abuse of the forum. phpDip does not have a robust forum in place and he was drowning out all relevent Diplomacy conversation by beginning many threads, posting in relevent threads to divert them and generally being obnoxious. He was warned, as was Pandora the week before about going overboard. Pandora is apparently a good deal smarter and limited her off-topic posting.

Pittire was warned multiple times I believe.

I say leave Ptirre banned. He'll be back on another account anyhow.

Kestas gave pitirre more than his fair share of warnings. And, quite frankly, I'm sure Kestas has better things to be doing than cleaning this forum of smut and banning and unbanning players at a whim. Pittre's actions were unsettling (if not to the community, then to Kestast himself) and that is enough reason for him to be banned.
This forum is essential to communicate information about the game (bugs, draws, new game notifications) to the moderators. In my opinion, it is very generous of Kestas not to immediately delete anything not directly involving the game.. The fact that there are are a plethora of new threads every day makes it almost impossible to use the forums as intended. Furthermore, almost every political debate inevitably spirals into a flame war; this does not speak highly of our Diplomacy community as a whole.

First off I should note that as long as discussions remain polite and follow common sense I have no problem with any topic I can think of. I didn't ban him because he's anti-US

There was the US government thread, on views about the US govt, and then pitirre posted another thread talking about his views on the US govt. Other threads were posted debating whether the thread was going too far, and at one point there were 5 threads all on the US.
5 threads on one topic is ridiculous, and the threads were becoming very hostile and unpleasant. I cleaned out 3 of the newly created anti-US threads, and warned pitirre not to start up new anti-US threads

He continued to post anti-US troll comments in threads that had nothing to do with the US, I asked him to stop again, and then he posted another anti-US thread about a US scientist who allegedly murdered 8 Puerto Ricans

After being warned twice and not doing what I and many other forum readers asked him to do three times I decided enough was enough, and banned him

So if you went away for a few weeks and came back it might look like an overreaction, since most of the troll threads he started have been deleted, but he did have 3 chances

pitirre was banned for his continued multi-posted threads of the same topic , without respecting and considering the warnings from webmaster.

I can understand your decision better now. Thank you Kestasjk for making it clear to all. :-)

Good call kestas. keep the riff raff out.

yes, good call kestas

I thought that Pitirre had weapons of mass destruction and could attack us in 45 minutes, and thus the ban. Ah, this is a more convincing reason..

Kestas, you're very, very patient. If I were you, he'd have been gong long before now.

Yea, its not like Sicarius or Pandora, who have something to say, Piterre was just a troll. We couldn't even have a thread about military history without him bringing in his anti-US comments, it was ridiculous.

I can stand Sicarius and Pandora, because they are intelligent. Pitirre just spouted racism and idiocy.

I never thought I'd see McCain admit that about Sicarius or Pandora. Piterre truly brought this community together.

Ah, a glorious time it is when radical anarchists and right wing republicans unite in hatred of ignorance, persistence, and annoyance.

It's nice that 2 people I disagree with wholly can say something like that.

i thought there was an irony in McCain's message. was i wrong??

I'm pretty sure McCain was completely serious.

I don't mind other people, as long as they can just argue coherently and nicely. Stupidity, I will admit, drives me insane, and often to anger.

I completely agree. you can say the most ridiculous shit and if you argue it intelligently and have real reasons behind it, then I'll respect you. I may disagree with you but at least I'll respect you. but if you argue like you're twelve then I will have a problem

Lol. Well said all. Looks like no one is mourning the loss of our old pitirre. I was suspicious of him last year for his self-awarded honors and now this.

if only we really lost him...

It's all very simple.
Terms of service.
This is a free website and the site owner has full authority to do as he pleases.
Now it is not in his interest to make up stupid rules or to do anything to make the site unpopular.

Banning people for political views is bad for him.
Allowing people to spam the forums or make them unpleasant is bad for him too.

It's a dilemma.

You cannot have censorship and you cannot do without it.
It's all very complicated.

at least let him play!! :-)

It's all very complicated if he needs to censor someone. However, in this case he was merely ridding an intellectual community of an ignorant pest, which is a very simple concept, and the simple action was carried out with beautiful simplicity.

Despite my (extreme) newness to this site, I've got to say I think it was the right decision to ban Pitirre.

When I was looking through the forum to see what kind of people the more active players were, I was quite put off by the irrationality and vehemence of the anti-American feelings (I should add that I am *not* American). It was only when I realised that this vitriol was mainly coming from one person, that my concerns were alleviated.

Pitirre is like the bore one of your friends brings to a party, who spends the entire evening haranguing the other guests about some "pet" topic. The following morning you call your friend and say, "Mate, that guy's really tedious. Could you not bring him along next time?".

And, that's pretty much what Kretas did.

with all the christians on this site, that is a pretty horrible name choice.
(even worse than mine)
I have no problem with it, but you can probably expect to catch some flak for it

My money says RedBarchetta is Pitirre.....I bet he learned his lesson though...

In response to Sicarius: my thinking was that anyone who knows enough about the relevant theology to understand the reference, would also understand why it is such a good name for a Diplomacy player. After all, Samael's most egregious exploit is believed to be convincing Eve to eat the apple!

redbarchetta is pitirre he admitted as much

it's not hard to convince someone who has only ever talked to 1 person, when you lick the ground they walk upon and promise them godhood.

for a non-christian I think I know quite a bit about it.

I'm actually writing an epic poem write now, it's a conversation between samael and an unnamed repenting fallen angel

right now I mean lol

post by redbarchetta

i wish that kestas unbanned me (pitirre)

OK, I'll admit he was playing against a newbie. Still, not a bad effort convincing her to give up her only supply centre!

Why would anyone care what Samael's name is? (Note: I am NOT asking for a explanation of the history of the name.) I could have named myself Judas Iscariot, or whatever without people taking offense. In fact, I'm pretty sure there was a Hitler on here for a while. As long as the player doesn't then go on about exterminating the Jews or something there's nothing particularly wrong with it.

I am Spitritual NOT A CHRISTIAN

Spit ritual? Sounds messy ...

He seems to have made a comeback as Pitirre2??????

Oh, and i meant spiritual, lol