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BenGuin (248 D)
03 Feb 12 UTC
Lord of Ultima
This was a thread in Vdip, but me, King Atom, and Drano019 is thinking of starting a Lord of Ultima, Webdip alliance. For those who know how to play, we are probably going to be starting as soon as a new English Server is opened... For those who don't know how to play, Server 60 would be a good experience-gathering game
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E_03 (303 D)
03 Feb 12 UTC
Split Coast Fleet Movements
Hi, board. I have a question regarding fleet movements including territories with two unique coasts:
E_03 (303 D)
03 Feb 12 UTC
Put the case that there is a fleet on a particular coast of a province, and another fleet occupying an adjacent territory...
For sake of an example (not the real case, honestly), let's say the two territories are Spain and Portugal. The first fleet exists on the north coast of Spain and the other fleet is in Portugal. Why don't the orders
The Fleet at Spain (North Coast) move to Portugal
and
The Fleet at Portugal move to Spain (South Coast)
go through?

I was hoping someone has an answer for me since a similar case happened to me in a World Diplomacy game and I protest because by nature of movements, the two fleets need never meet or cross paths.

I've read parts of the rulebook online accessible via the FAQ, and the only explanation I can think of is that units can't exchange places and a fleet occupying a unique coast of a province is said to occupy the whole province. But... I don't know..

Can someone offer a better explanation or affirm my speculation? As much as I'd like to formally protest, I won't/can't the nature of my inquiry is moreso for clarification. Obviously I'd not think to make the same mistake twice but I'd like to know exactly what was wrong in the first place...

Thank you, in advance.
Dys Claimer (116 D)
03 Feb 12 UTC
Your explanation is correct. The rules specifically forbid two units from exchanging places, and Spain/sc and Spain/nc are considered to be the same location for this purpose.

You're not alone in getting stumped by this. It's a pretty common mistake. But the site is executing the orders correctly. This rule is pretty universal among other online sites and it is the way I've always seen it adjudicated in FTF games.

In my opinion this is the same reason that it is LEGAL to order:

Fleet Marseilles SUPPORT Fleet Gascony to Spain/north coast.

Marseilles can't get to Spain/north, but it can get to Spain/south, and since Spain is all one place the support is legal. Some people disagree with me on that one though.
Draugnar (0 DX)
03 Feb 12 UTC
Regardless of "online sites" it is the rules of the original *boardgame* that this is still considered switching places and can't be done. You all do know this is a boardgame from the 60s, right?
orathaic (1009 D(B))
03 Feb 12 UTC
yeah, but i'm sure i could 'miss-interpret' this order in a face-to-face adjudication... you know, if that was going to help my cause :p

actually since i've ordered such a thing (probably with a fleet and army rather than two fleets... ) i might have simple made a mistake in a manual adjudication...
santosh (335 D)
03 Feb 12 UTC
@Draug: I find it slightly sad that having an algorithm adjudicate takes some of the charm of making and arguing in favor of a ridiculous move out of the game, such as building a fleet in Moscow for instance http://www.diplom.org/~diparch/resources/humour/coast_moscow.htm
Dys Claimer (116 D)
03 Feb 12 UTC
Indeed. But pointing out that everyone else online adjudicates it the same way is helpful evidence that we're doing it right.
Yellowjacket (835 D(B))
04 Feb 12 UTC
haha santosh, that article made me laugh.
Caballo Blanco (1005 D)
04 Feb 12 UTC
The article was really good, and while I've understood the whole Spain coast. I do have a question about the Bulgaria and St. P coasts... and I'll admit I'm being lazy about not reading the rules but I didn't start this thread... So my question is if I had a fleet on the south coast of Bulgaria that was giving support to a fleet in say Greece I realize an army moving to Bulgaria could cut the support but could a fleet from the Black Sea cut the support since it would have to move to the north coast. My speculation is that it would cut support but this seems more odd than the whole Spain/Portugal trading of spaces.
SacredDigits (102 D)
04 Feb 12 UTC
It does cut the support for sure. Your boats on the south coast were alarmed by the Black Sea ports getting shelled and had to calm the citizenry.


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President Eden (2750 D)
04 Feb 12 UTC
Attention: Diplomat33
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ulytau (541 D)
03 Feb 12 UTC
ONE DOES NOT SIMPLY SILENCE A THREAD ON WEBDIP
They will sooner stop eating people down there in Congo.
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The Czech (39715 D(S))
04 Feb 12 UTC
Gunboat in 5 minutes gameID=79672
gameID=79672 40 D buy in
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Putin33 (111 D)
26 Jan 12 UTC
Santa re: Rutgers
http://espn.go.com/college-sports/recruiting/football/story/_/id/7506907/rutgers-scarlet-knight-recruits-wait-greg-schiano-never-arrives-meeting

This is screwed up. I feel bad for Rutgers.
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Yonni (136 D(S))
03 Feb 12 UTC
2012 Music Festivals
Hey, any of you guys ever head to festivals?
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brainbomb (290 D)
03 Feb 12 UTC
Classic gunboat LIVE complaint


Very likely France and Germany are communicating/cheating. No reason why two people with 10 builds bordering each other would still be just chilling out sipping pina coladas like this.
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hellalt (70 D)
03 Feb 12 UTC
Anti-ACTA hackers hack the Greek Ministry of Justice
"Anonymous" hackers against the ACTA act (something like PIPA and SOPA) took over the website of the Greek Ministry of Justice.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4eJP9wDhDoI
way to go dudes :-)
I'm waiting to see more official government sites hacked!
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Lando Calrissian (100 D(S))
02 Feb 12 UTC
new thread
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d31 (312 D(B))
03 Feb 12 UTC
Trump endorses Romney
How much will it hurt Mitt in the polls?
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MrcsAurelius (3051 D(B))
30 Jan 12 UTC
Top GR 150 Invitational!
Dear all! Next month I hope to graduate to the GR 150 club for the first time, after two recent draws, and I want to celebrate by starting up a game against my new peer group :)
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Sandgoose (0 DX)
30 Jan 12 UTC
What do YOU do?
Sandgoose is curious as to what you all do for a living. I am an Underwriter at Liberty Mutual...Sandgoose is wondering...what do YOU do?
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obiwanobiwan (248 D)
03 Feb 12 UTC
One Million Moms, Zero Common Sense--Ellen DeGeneres Targeted by Anti-LGBT Group
http://news.yahoo.com/one-million-moms-jc-penney-fire-ellen-shes-173429894.html "Funny that JC Penney thinks hiring an open homosexual spokesperson will help their business when most of their customers are traditional families,"
Funny this should even be an issue in the year 2012...JC Penny will keep her on, but what does this say about the state of LGBT Rights in America?
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mdrltc (1818 D(G))
21 Jan 12 UTC
Capital Region Team - Diplomacy World Cup
Announcing the Capital Region team for participation in the Diplomacy World Cup. Team Participant Criteria: must live, or have lived in DC, Virginia or Maryland, or states that border those states, or states that border states that border DC, Virginia, or Maryland. Personally viewed or saw a picture of the Washington monument or the Lincoln Memorial. Has a used ticket stub to a Nationals or Capitals game (Wizards fans, you are out of luck, as are any of the Baltimore teams fans).
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SpeakerToAliens (147 D(S))
02 Feb 12 UTC
Rogue "Pause" votes
gameID=75418: Why do I keep having to cancel a "Pause" vote? I've haven't voted to Pause so why does it keep saying that next to my name?
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obiwanobiwan (248 D)
31 Jan 12 UTC
First The Olympics...Now--A Super Bowl In London?
http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=sportsxchange-000552729_report-nfl-might-consider-super-bowl-in-london
We already play a regular season game there each year...now the league's talking about maybe holding a future Super Bowl in London.
US Citizens--How would you feel about that? Fair or Foul?
UK Citizens--Well...If We Hold It, Will You Come/Watch/Care?
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Thucydides (864 D(B))
01 Feb 12 UTC
Who to follow on twitter
@Mobute @ActualPerson084 @HumorForMens @horse_ebooks @UtilityLimb @TheOnion. Now sit back and enjoy
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redhouse1938 (429 D)
02 Feb 12 UTC
So, when you guys elected Mitt
I may drop by for a few years.
Emigration to the US after Ph.D.: YES/NO?
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thelevite (722 D)
02 Feb 12 UTC
Need a replacement Russia
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=75412
Pretty good position in a world game, previous Russia banned. 21 hours left so for sure some time for communication. Nothing unbalances a game quite like a major power in CD.
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Perseguidor (0 DX)
02 Feb 12 UTC
What I have to do When two players are coordinated in a no in-game messaging game?
I'm playing a no in-game messaging game and two player are supporting hold each other during 3 turns. Is it against the rules? What can I do?
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Sydney City (0 DX)
02 Feb 12 UTC
urgent replacement needed- ok position
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=78864&msgCountryID=0
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Vlad the Lennonater (250 D)
02 Feb 12 UTC
Sit In
I need someone to cover for me this weekend here and on vdiplomacy…
3 replies
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The Prussian (0 DX)
01 Feb 12 UTC
Christian Just War Theory
I would like to hear the opinions of the community here at WebDiplomacy regarding Christian Just War Theory. Whether Atheist, Christian, or any sort of religious affiliation, your thoughts are appreciated. Does it concur with what Jesus taught? Is there room for killing in a Christian lifestyle if these conditions are met? Any and all thoughts are appreciated thank you.
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Sargmacher (0 DX)
02 Feb 12 UTC
February GR Live Gunboat Challenge
February's first live GR Gunboat Challenge in 4 hours: gameID=79549
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BosephJennett (866 D)
02 Feb 12 UTC
Is this type of post allowed?
I am currently in a game with a terrible ally. Let me be more specific: they're not an evil stabber or an incompetent strategist, but they are simply a terrible ally. I don't know how else to describe it. I'm talking possibly the worst teammate I've ever had in any game, Diplomacy or other. Is it improper to discuss this here if I don't use names?
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Draugnar (0 DX)
02 Feb 12 UTC
Mods, please check your email...
It's not urgent per se, but it's an ethics thing and needs to be handled or the violators will get away with what they are trying to do...
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NikeFlash (140 D)
02 Feb 12 UTC
PUNNY POST OF PUNS
I am really bored......


PS: this is my 100th post :))))))
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ghug (5068 D(B))
20 Jan 12 UTC
Northwest USA World Cup Team
Anyone from Washington or Oregon, Northern California, Idaho, and BC are probably OK to join too if we need people.
38 replies
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Tettleton's Chew (0 DX)
02 Feb 12 UTC
States Cracking Down on Political Speech
Once again George Will shows why he is the most important opinion writer in the United States.
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