Excellent suggestion. +1ed it.

Take a look at our thread about finalising from yesterday. There are plenty of reasons why that player might not want to automatically retreat.

Also, this is an ongoing game, so let's not chat about it eh?

I will look at your post Geofram. I don't mean to contradict you, but there is simply no reason for Greece to not have his unit automatically disband in this instance. He has no SC's. All it does is prolong the inevitable draw once he is out of the picture.

The game is over save the final nail being put in the coffin, i.e. the disband order processing.

Just a note (not discussing thi sgame), but automatica disbands were nixed by KEstas because of the concern people would come in and never know the disband had happened, catching them by surprise and leadign to complaints about units "disappearing". He decided it was better to let the turn run the phase instead.

Personally, I'm not discussing the game. It just illustrates a theoretical situation that could occur in any game. I believe I followed some of the discussion and may even have participated, but I don't believe it applies to this particular situation, where the only thing you're waiting for is something that is inevitable anyways. If a player takes ages to determine whether he should retreat to a hostile sc or a useless province just to buy himself time to reflect on future moves, I believe the situation is very different.

Thanks Draug I didn't know that. I rather have people complaining than waiting unnecessarily though and I believe it should be changed to automatic processing.

Not my call or yours. And you might prefer people complaining, but I doubt the mods agree with you. :-)

The only thing that really needs to be repeated from yesterday:
If you can't wait the full phase, don't sign up for the game.

Haha well just put a big message on the screen when this happened:

"Yo dawg, I destroyed the unit that was destroyed so now you can play while you play"

Obviously people whining about having to wait vs. whining about units disappearing would favor the latter for the mods. Makes sense, I suppose.

Good call, redhouse. After all, as they say, "You gotta let a playa play!"

It affects the other people too. Let's say that you're pretty sure Greece is going to take the full 24 so you go and have five Thanksgiving dinners and go Black Friday shopping, making it back in time to make the phase if Greece spent at least four hours before finalizing. But.

We all have a feeling about when someone's going to show up and when someone isn't.

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Let's say you look at available information and assume Greece is going to take 24 hours to do the retreat. I haven't looked at the game, so I'm assuming 24 hours. And let's say you have some plans going on in the near future. I always assume ANY phase is going to take at least 4 hours, so I compute that in with when I absolutely MUST come back online. Lately, my time's been at a premium, so I have to budget like that.

Yeah, I completely agree SD. I almost wish there was an option to remove the finalise feature from a game.

It would also be nice to have an option to require all phases even if *noone* has a move in them. Then you could guarantee the phase runs at a very precise time and could plan for longer term games like those on the judges.

Wait a minute.

SD does that imply not only are you against LakersFan's proposal, you would be against Greece finalizing that move immediately and voluntarily as well?

I believe the pause unpause uptions are largely sufficient for what you guys want...

@Redhouse - Pause and unpause are entirely different. We want something like the old judges had where a turn ran on a set date at a set time. Pause allows the game to not run indefinitely and unpause can beused to hold up that time until the mods override it.

Well... WE don't. :)

Actually - and I say this knowing full well that webdip is by FAR superior than playdip - they've got a pretty interesting timing system.

Basically I'd say the more options to a game, the better. A judges system for a Draugnar Geofram and SD and an automatic system for me and LakersFan.

Ideally, the time for a move would be a set time T + T_calc, where T is e.g. 24 hrs and T_calc is some function of an estimate of the largest player's number of possibilities, cut off at some maximum.

OK, the "we" to which I refer was Geof and me (and maybe SD).

The we I referred to is the silent majority that should be +1ing the first post. ;)

There's not going to be a forced finalise. It's not a good idea.

:'( You made redhouse cry.

I'm sorry, but Diplomacy is just as much a game of patience as it is a game of skill. In a 24 hour game you should expect a five day period from spring to spring and not complain about it.

You should also expect that a Summer tournament will finish in the Spring thanks to that ;)

If Greece finalized and I guessed wrong and NMR'ed, then that's on me. But, Diplomacy is a game you play based on best guesses of available information, and I mean, come on. You KNEW he wouldn't finalize early. This thread is about you knowing that.