That's the problem with Russia. You get fat and it's (almost) everybody's problem.

I hate playing Russia. Almost every time I played Russia I didn't even make it to a draw.

When the game is over, I'll tell you what I would have done : )

Simple solution. Stop worrying about GR :)

I'm not worried about GR. I just think it sucks because I was so much higher rated than even the number two player (President Eden) and even Eden will lose GR if we draw at 6.

maybe you're overrated.

Maybe you shouldn't have made the little yellow engine that could angry. ;P

As he'll lose out too, get together with President Eden to force some of the others out of the game, then draw ... or Stab PE ;-))

He already stabbed me once. >.<

Yes. Yes I did. In fact that is why I have 13 SCs instead of 10. But no more about this particular game. I was just commiserating how much being part of the draw sucks when it still costs you GR.

I suppose you have to take the good with the bad. There will be times when you draw with players who are far more highly ranked, with a higher payout. Another thing to consider is that you might have won this game. In which case you would also gain (and winning if course is less likely with higher GR players).

I still possibly could, but these guys have played well and I feel they deserve the draw despite my desire to finally get a hard earned win not in a League game.

Might have won? It ain't over yet, sadly.

Go for the win then. Good luck.

Well, maybe it doesn't suck so bad after all...

@abgemacht - interested to hear in a couple of days what you would have done different. Position makes thi sone kind of a forgone conclussion.

would losing lose you more GR?

I'm happy to comment since I haven't looked into the game, only read from this thread you have 13ish units & can't get through a draw.
Clearly grew too quickly and became too much of a threat to the others.

Well, actually, he connived shortsighted other players into infighting and letting him solo. >_<

You're playing against a bunch of inferior players and you can't manage a 4-year draw? Maybe it isn't the situation that sucks.

As a general thought, not specific to this game at all, I've often seen one player get big fast, and then everyone else comes together to stop them, and the big player just pushes as far as he or she can and then the game ends in a 5 or 5 country draw.

It seems to me like the big player should give ground to another country so they can partner up with that country or at least make them a threat to the others. Sometimes you have to give up ground to change the dynamics.

germany getting 6 centers in 1901 almost always results in a three pronged attack from russia, england and france. Which usually results in the threat being removed and germany gone.

Especially if he bounced russia in sweden... a similar occurance in 1903/4 with 12 centers for pretty much anyone may end in a draw. Or better still beat the jerk with 13 and then stab each other for the win...

Also strong russia and strong france might be shit for everyone inbetween, (similarily for western powers and turkey being on the other side) which means i may not be in france's interest to help the others fight russia. Not the case here with a weak france... so i'm just saying...

When this is over, can someone please tell me WTF Italy and Turkey were doing.

Well, I've made it to 17 and they are not in position to stop my getting the 18th center.

Meh. I know the game is ongoing, but I'm conceding defeat to Russia because the rest of the players here refused to pay attention to the Russian threat and actually BELIEVED he would draw at four!

I would gladly tell you what I was doing, just give me a more specific question...

Seriously? You took over a cd Russia in S1901 and you're going to win in 1907? Either you're really good or your opposition is just pathetic.

I'd like to say the former, but it is probably more the latter.

I imagine it has something to do with it being a PPSC game. Why try and stop the big guy when you can just try and pick up a few extra centers/points before the big guy wins.

But the irony is, maybe France will have picked up some, but the rest have suffered mroe losses with their in-fighting. Only Turkey/Eden saw the truth.

@orathaic, if Germany gets 3 builds and E/F/R all gang up on him, then someone is missing an opportunity.

I had a really fun game as Italy where Austria gained 3 centers in 1901 and was at 8 in 1903. Everyone wanted to gang up on him and expected me to as well. I used that to get concessions from Austria as well as inside information on how the others planned on attacking him. I got up to 9 centers shortly after he did. One of my proudest achievements in diplomacy really.

Well alderian, you have definitely got a point, however could you have not gotten to 9 by taking on austria aswell?

I mean not to dismiss your achievement, but if everyone started feeding your austria information he'd crush them one at a time, no?

If I had teamed up on Austria, I would have gotten a piece of the pie, but also would have been exposed to England who was getting strong and was working on France. Austria and I kept things pretty stable between us so my back was covered.

And sure, if everyone sided with Austria we would all have been hosed. But I am the one that did take advantage of the situation.

Back to your example of a 6 center Germany after 1 year. As Russia I could see that being useful to have England tied up against Germany so that I can get Scandinavia. Whereas committing against Germany moves my units too far from home while dealing with whatever southern situation is also going on.

Just saying there is more than one way to skin a cat.

You should complain about games more often. Works well for you : )

Yes, yes it does. :-)

21 SC victory!

Damn greedy bastards.

(Yes, I'm looking at you, France-that-would-have-gone-for-my-Italian-holdings, Italy-that-did, and Draugnar-who-had-my-entire-homeland-conceded-to-him-plus-Balkans-and-STILL-went-for-Venice.)

I guess I'm sorry for going for a supply center you received by stabbing me haha.

Me? Blatant hypocrisy? NEVER!

Maybe you should play better players. Problem solved.

derp

Yeah, Eden and I discussed the fact that we were both in a position where a six way draw cost us GR, which is why manipulating them was so easy. Then Eden just gave up so I decided to get a bit greedy. :-)

I can't be the first person to point it out (I haven't read the thread), but if you are getting into a six way draw, you've only actually kicked one ass...

* one ass at most, that is

Did I say I was kicking asses? And actually, I was kicking an ass (sorry Eden, you're not a literal ass) who had previously kicked another ass with me. It was just a devastating stab.

I can think of some people that would disagree with that assessment of me.

And of course I gave up, the others actually got suckered into that nonsense until it was far too late. I wasn't about to reward their idiocy at your expense.

So, there are a few people who think you are a literal ass?

Ayup.