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V+ (5369 D)
24 Feb 10 UTC
Portugal and Spain
I'm a bit embarrassed to ask this question after having played this game for so long, but...
FloatingLakes (5034 D)
24 Feb 10 UTC
No, you cannot move a fleet Spain SC to portugal and portugal to Spain NC. they would bounce.

Did I answer before you actually asked it?
V+ (5369 D)
24 Feb 10 UTC
I recently tried F Spa (nc) -> Por and F Por -> Spa (sc), but it bounced. It seems counter-intuitive that this move wouldn't work, and I seem to remember using it before. Admittedly, that could be a memory from a FTF game decades ago. Any reason why it shouldn't work, or is it jsut one of the quirks of the map?
KaptinKool (408 D)
24 Feb 10 UTC
Units can not switch places.
V+ (5369 D)
24 Feb 10 UTC
Nice anticipation, floatinglakes!
KaptinKool (408 D)
24 Feb 10 UTC
http://webdiplomacy.net/datc.php#section2

See 6.B.13
KaptinKool (408 D)
24 Feb 10 UTC
Same thing happened to me awhile ago.
FloatingLakes (5034 D)
24 Feb 10 UTC
YES, fastest fingers awards to me.
KaptinKool (408 D)
24 Feb 10 UTC
boo-urns
V+ (5369 D)
24 Feb 10 UTC
Ok, so that's the rule on webDip, but is there anything in the original rules of the game that forbids it? I jsut looked (http://www.diplom.org/~diparch/resources/rulebooks/2000AH4th.pdf) and didn't see anything that would make it illegal. It seems like it should be allowed.
figlesquidge (2131 D)
24 Feb 10 UTC
You can swap an army in Portugal with a fleet in spain however if you convoy the army with MAO.
figlesquidge (2131 D)
24 Feb 10 UTC
Have a look at the official DATC page (there's a link from there, its on Lucas' site)
V+ (5369 D)
24 Feb 10 UTC
Interesting. According to the DATC page, this was addressed in the 197 rule change, but when I looked at the 2000 rules, I don't see anything about it.
jimgov (219 D(B))
24 Feb 10 UTC
"Units can’t trade places without the use of a convoy. If two units are each ordered to the province that the other occupies, neither can move." You are making the mistake of calling Spain by two different names, Spain (nc) and Spain (sc). The name of the province is Spain, which happens to have two coasts.
jimgov (219 D(B))
24 Feb 10 UTC
BTW, that is from the rulebook that is on the Wizards of the Coast site. http://www.wizards.com/avalonhill/rules/Diplomacy_Rulebook.pdf page 9
V+ (5369 D)
24 Feb 10 UTC
Fair enough. It seems like an easily fixed paradox, though.
Alderian (2425 D(S))
24 Feb 10 UTC
It might not be a rule that specifically states portugal and spain. Consider the same situation with Bulgaria and Constantinople. You can't move a fleet from Bul (sc) to Con and another from Con to Bul (nc) either.
V+ (5369 D)
24 Feb 10 UTC
I mean, why go through the trouble of giving a province two coasts then treat them the same?
jimgov (219 D(B))
24 Feb 10 UTC
That's always been the rule. It wasn't spelled out as clearly in the original rules, but was updated earlier. The original rules said only that "If two units are ordered, each to the space the other occupies, neither may move." http://www.diplom.org/~diparch/resources/rulebooks/1976AH.pdf page 4 under conflicts.
jimgov (219 D(B))
24 Feb 10 UTC
The reasoning is that Spain's coast is divided by an entire country, Portugal. A fleet must move along a coast or via water. It makes no sense that Spain could have a fleet that both can move to Gas and Mar. You have to account for Por getting in the way of this.
JECE (1248 D)
25 Feb 10 UTC
I think the issue is that fleets could switch places against their will, moved because it was assumed they would bounce.
http://GamesByEmail.com/Games/Politics/Judge#0961m1201240m0903320m4204221m330
JECE (1248 D)
25 Feb 10 UTC
For the original issue, not why coasts exist.


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Actaeon (100 D)
24 Feb 10 UTC
Ancient Mediterranean Live: Player Needed
PPSC, 10 minutes/phase, bet of 15. Somewhat a revamp of a previous game, so we just need one person to join. gameID=22431 The password is persia.
6 replies
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jeromeblack (129 D)
24 Feb 10 UTC
Live Ancient Game in 30 mins
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=22439

New map live!
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podium (498 D)
24 Feb 10 UTC
Sunday's Crash
Is there any way to remove a game from my home page.The game was a live game paused on Sunday after the crash of the server.Don't think we can get the seven involved to finish it as it was anon and arranging a time to get us all together again is almost impossible.Game ID # 22185.If a mod can do this would be thankful.
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kestasjk (95 DMod(P))
24 Feb 10 UTC
Code update
Details on a code update, brought to you mostly from Sleepcap, inside. Post any bugs you notice in here!
8 replies
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klokskap (550 D)
24 Feb 10 UTC
Live Mediterranean Game Now
starts in 15 minutes (4:30pm EST)

gameID=22433
13 replies
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Alderian (2425 D(S))
21 Feb 10 UTC
Firefox 3.6 chat box issues
Is anyone else having problems with the chat boxes in games after having loaded up to Firefox 3.6 from Firefox 3.5?I have to go to a different tab and then come back or click in the text of the old messages above and then back in the chat box to get it to let me enter messages. This is happening to me since I loaded one computer to 3.6. My other two computers I diplom on are on 3.5 and do not have this issue.
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jed (501 D)
24 Feb 10 UTC
Bug in world war games
In World war games Great Britain can move to the barrents sea.
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Lando Calrissian (100 D(S))
24 Feb 10 UTC
new variant gunboat live?
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=22422
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lulzworth (366 D)
24 Feb 10 UTC
As I Become Active Again On The Site
Have a stab at this here game: http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=22370.

And welcome me, also. Even though you likely don't remember me.
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theswiss (141 D)
24 Feb 10 UTC
Crass Regalia- new mediterranean map game
http://www.webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=22420
5 dp bet, 14 hour phases.
The map is equipped for five, fyi.
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Helljumper (277 D)
24 Feb 10 UTC
Ancient Med Live Game - Global Chat
gameID=22410 NEED ONE MORE
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Helljumper (277 D)
24 Feb 10 UTC
Wednesday Afternoon Live!
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Helljumper (277 D)
24 Feb 10 UTC
Anyone up for a live Ancient Med game?
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Actaeon (100 D)
24 Feb 10 UTC
Ancient Mediterranean Global Only Live
The Ancient Mediterranean variation, Public messaging enabled but with anonymous players, 5min/phase, PPSC with a bet of 10... gameID=22410
Should make for an interesting game.
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fetteper (1448 D)
24 Feb 10 UTC
try the new variant live!
http://www.webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=22408
3 replies
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Actaeon (100 D)
24 Feb 10 UTC
New Live Gunboat Game
gameID=22407 PPSC, 5 min/phase, Anonymous Gunboat with a bet of 15.
0 replies
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KaptinKool (408 D)
24 Feb 10 UTC
New Ancient Med. Variant!!! 4 Players Needed!!
Vici, Vidi, Veni ~ Julias Caesar - (I Came, I Saw, I Conquered)
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=22401
Join quickly!
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Lando Calrissian (100 D(S))
24 Feb 10 UTC
live?
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=22403
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tmg996 (147 D)
21 Feb 10 UTC
All Women Please read!
I want to see how many women play on WebDip, if you are a woman please only post one reply and please dont ask questions unless directed towards me, in about 1 week i will count all of the posts and i will post how many women play on this site!
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spyman (424 D(G))
22 Feb 10 UTC
My mouse wheel doesn't work with webdiplomacy
I can't scroll the page with my mouse wheel. This has just started happening the last couple of days. At first I thought there might have been something wrong with my mouse, but there does not seem to be a problem with other sites.
5 replies
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fetteper (1448 D)
24 Feb 10 UTC
mew map live game!
join a live game on the new ancient map!
http://www.webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=22387
5 min phase
10 D wta
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roswellis (100 D)
24 Feb 10 UTC
Live Game Now
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=22382
0 replies
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mel1980 (0 DX)
24 Feb 10 UTC
Odd Live anon game
This games so weird- its like players miss a move, then are back again.. like they need to log off the site and back on again to change players...
check it out!!!!
can't wait to see who's for real and who's not;)
2 replies
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Helljumper (277 D)
24 Feb 10 UTC
Live Anon Game!
6 replies
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jbalcorn (429 D)
23 Feb 10 UTC
Who is Keyser Soze?
60 pt, 36 hr, Anon, WTA and All Messaging is encouraged.
No password, join if you want to talk anonymously.
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=22316
2 replies
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azzaron (1765 D)
24 Feb 10 UTC
New LIVE Game!
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=22373
6 replies
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figlesquidge (2131 D)
21 Feb 10 UTC
BBC self boycott!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1251653/
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/media/tv-radio/1901731.html

Hilarious it may be, but is this not ridiculous? There have been many issues with falsified competitions recently, but surely that doesn't include satirical fake news coverage?
18 replies
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tmg996 (147 D)
23 Feb 10 UTC
What is the best country in a world map?
I started a 5 min fast game, bet is 10, world map variant, and starts in an hour, this is my first world map game so PLEASE JOIN, but what is the best country in a world game?
18 replies
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Lando Calrissian (100 D(S))
24 Feb 10 UTC
live in an hour?
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=22371
1 reply
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