I'd like to think that i've remained honorable in as many of my dealings as I possibly could. I've also noticed the pattern that you mention, CD's especailly.

i do my best to honor my agreements and i find that i often get stabbed anyway

i stick to alliances through thick and thin even if my teammate could be replaced by someone "better" and i rarely if ever stab an ally

Maybe you should take the action suggested by your name and realize what game you are playing :P

Seriously though, I have seen many situations where people have acted in a way that you would describe as honorable. I know that I have let one center powers participate in a draw when I could have wiped them out and I will frequently try to keep struggling powers alive.

As for alliances, it is nearly always best to try to keep them intact if you can because you will more than likely play in a game with them again.

Now, having said that, when you get stabbed or when you stab you just have to realize that it is a part of the game and that people are going to do it. Getting mad about it usually doesn't help. It's much better to try to calmly work something out with them.

I'm obviously fairly alone in sticking to my deals then...

Judging by other's experiences that is, not just what is posted here ;-)

Reality Cheque: you speak of honor and keeping your word etc, yet you hide behind a nickname. It was only the Lone Ranger who had honor and a mask.
((I now return you to your regularly scheduled forum as I drag my dead horse around the keyboard one more time,))

lol, but there are honorable ways of stabbing someone.

Lots of us stick to our deals, but the game doesn't say you have to.
Oh, and Edi yes some of us use nicknames, but that doesn't mean we don't have honour

I'm like Batman.

My mask is representive of some of some of my features and really just intensifies my honourable tendencies.

Don't listen to them. They are just saying they stick to deals to lull their allies into a false sense of security.

But some people are pretty adament about keeping deals. Much to my frustration, I was slowly eliminated by a team where one of the allies had 17 centres. He waited until I was completely eliminated so he could draw with his ally according to their agreement.

Edi, I think nicknames on the internet are just a sign of the times. When the internet first took off, everyone used nicknames because they were apprehensive about putting up their real names and info for everyone to see. It was quite the new experience to have anyone in the world find you if they wanted to. How can you blame someone for wanting to hide their identity? I don't get that.

Things are changing and people are getting more comfortable with this sort of thing, but it's not going to happen overnight and there will still be people "hiding" behind a nickname. I don't see this as being dishonorable at all...and I agree with figlesquidge.

So I think your comment was a bit of a non sequitur

To be honest, I identify more with my nickname than my real one. I spend more time on the internet than in the real world.

i was in a team game, e,f,r,i against a,t,g my team e,f,r eliminated austria and germany and instead of just giving up turkey kept fighting becuase of this philcore who i believe was england suggested instead of taking him out and a 3 way draw we draw it 4 way to say thankyou to turkey for keeping on fighting, i would have said this was pretty honourable

That's a lovely way of doing things, although it can be kind of boring, too.

Darwyn: I'm pretty sure Edi was joking.

Stabbing for the sake of things is stupid, but it's only a game and it's much more enjoyable when it's a free-for-all.

I never make deals to go for a 17-all draw as I think it destabilises the game. It's more fun to ally with someone for the sake of gaining an advantage in the short term, then either being stabbed and accepting it, or stabbing them yourself to go for the win

I had an awesome alliance, where we were both so paranoid about eachother stabbing one another, we stabbed each other and didn't gain or lose anything. But I won regardless 19-13-1-2

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I can show you a concrete example:

http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=7456

Amazing game. Austria could have taken it but we both wanted that draw

RealityCheque, we played together recently, and you, Italy, and I stuck together until the end; we finally drew only when both sides had a stalemate line. I definitely appreciated the way you and Italy played that game.

Or did you mean you wanted a game where someone stuck to a deal even when it would have been better for them not to?

Ya I was very proud of that, and you go off saying we're not honorable now. Lol jk. I was so paranoid you would betray us since you had no way to attack Germany, that I was willing to give up Trieste. Germany on the other hand was very "dishonorable." Betrayed me twice, or as he said, three times.

Admittedly I have made some somewhat reckless decisions in my past games (when I didn't understand how draws actually worked, points wise >_>), but nowadays I like to keep my alliances going as long as possible.

Generally, if you stick with someone through thick and thin they'll remember you as a good ally in another game and will be more willing to help you out if you fall into trouble as well.

I hold to my word. Ask Pandarsenic ;)

If I feel I have to, for some reason or other, stab an ally, I really prefer formally declaring war first.

I've done it a few times. I like to mix it up because I like to think that I'm not easy to predict. I'm sure some of the better players have my number though. =)

I was just having fun...
honor is a flexible thing in Diplomacy as it is in diplomacy in reality. It all depends on who defines the conceptual background.

I tend to hold to my word unless you hand me your centers, in which case I will accept your gift graciously.

Just ask Denzel73! :D