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flashman (2274 D(G))
05 Mar 08 UTC
Just been asked to take part in a TV Documentary with Wombat...
...about schools in Hong Kong.

Actually, about one school in particular... Smart Jason's school!

The chance to get stuck in is very very tempting indeed.

Wombat doesn't know yet but I suspect he will be happy to take part. His school is their main rival.
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Comrade (100 D)
07 Mar 08 UTC
unique request
I am in a game and do not want it to end at the 18 unit cutoff, can you enable kestas it so I can continue playing till all of my foes are crushed?

http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gid=2841
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mapleleaf (0 DX)
07 Mar 08 UTC
Kestas. Word limit on postings....
How about 1500?

If anything, to spare us the nonsensical ramblings of atheist, dropout, shoplifting bubbleheads with altogether too much spare time.
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figlesquidge (2131 D)
27 Feb 08 UTC
Diplomacy Quotations
I saw this on todays Quotes of the Day, and it set me thinking, what are the most relavent quotes for a diplomacy player? I don't mean necessarily political or tactical (they might be), but related to the backstabbing world of diplomacy. To get started:

As you journey through life take a minute every now and then to give a thought for the other fellow. He could be plotting something -- Hagar the Horrible
kestasjk (95 DMod(P))
27 Feb 08 UTC
I know it was Kennedy and Kissenger's favorite game, I'd be interested to know if any of their quotes sound as if they would also apply to Diplomacy. That always makes me smile thinking that lessons learned from Diplomacy may have saved the world from nuclear war, maybe ;-)
Oxygen (575 D)
27 Feb 08 UTC
No, that smiley emoticon is disgusting... If anything, it is tempting me to consider nuclear holocaust!
positron (1160 D)
27 Feb 08 UTC
Violence is the last resort of the incompetent. Isaac Asimov (somewhere in the Foundation trilogy)
Oxygen (575 D)
27 Feb 08 UTC
Not according to Muhammad.
Oxygen (575 D)
27 Feb 08 UTC
Ai Ai Ai Jihad!
Comrade (100 D)
27 Feb 08 UTC
what doesnt kill you makes you stronger
thewonderllama (100 D)
27 Feb 08 UTC
Keep your friends close, and your enemies closer.
Oxygen (575 D)
27 Feb 08 UTC
"Not what I have but what I do is my kingdom." — Thomas Carlyle
Oxygen (575 D)
27 Feb 08 UTC
"He does not seem to me to be a free man who does not sometimes do nothing." — Cicero
sean (3490 D(B))
27 Feb 08 UTC
he who defends everything defends nothing (king federick?)
Zarathustra (3672 D)
27 Feb 08 UTC
"Immoral - adj.
Inexpedient. Whatever in the long run and with regard to the greater number of instances men find to be generally inexpedient comes to be considered wrong, wicked, immoral. If man's notions of right and wrong have any other basis than this of expediency; if they originated, or could have originated, in any other way; if actions have in themselves a moral character apart from, and nowise dependent on, their consequences -- then all philosophy is a lie and reason a disorder of the mind." - Devil's Dictionary, Ambrose Bierce
mapleleaf (0 DX)
27 Feb 08 UTC
' We threaded our way through the halls until someone told the marshals that Peter would be with me shortly. I walked in and the door was shut behind me. When I looked at the figure sitting behind the desk I couldn't believe my eyes. It wasn't Jim Neal. I had been shut in the room alone with John Dean.
I stood stock-still, trying to figure out this development. Here was the perfect opportunity to kill Dean. A pencil was lying on the desk. In a second I could drive it up through the underside of his jaw, through the soft-palate and deep into his brain. Had someone set it up? If so, why now? President Nixon was out of office. I had received no orders to kill Dean and certainly wouldn't be presumed so irresponsible as to do so on my own initiative; his death might hurt, through reaction, the trial chances of Mitchell, Ehrlichman, Parkinson, and Mardian. I decided to consider that my being shut up alone in the room with Dean had just been an incredible error.' G. Gordon Liddy.
Brutorix (100 D)
27 Feb 08 UTC
"He who does not strike first will be first struck"
- can't remember

"He who turns the other cheek must visit the dentist twice"
- can't remember either

"A process cannot be understood by stopping it. Understanding must move with the flow of the process, must join it and flow with it."
-The First Law of the Mentat, Dune

"Well, that sounds like a pretty good deal. But I think I got a better one. How about I give you the finger, and you give me my phone call."
- Neo, the Matrix

"Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger; anger leads to hate; hate leads to suffering. I sense much fear in you."
- Master Yoda, Star Wars

"You die, motherf*cker!"
- Tony Montana, Scarface
Brutorix (100 D)
27 Feb 08 UTC
Blackadder: Well, possibly. But the real reason for the whole thing is that it would be too much effort not to have a war... you see, Baldrick, in order to prevent a war in Europe, two super blocs developed: us, the French and the Russians on one side, and the Germans and Austro-Hungary on the other. The idea was to have two vast, opposing armies, each acting as the other's deterrent. That way, there could never be a war.
Baldrick: Except, well, this is sort of a war, isn't it?
Blackadder: That's right, there was one tiny flaw in the plan.
George: Oh, what was that?
Blackadder: It was bollocks.
Brutorix (100 D)
27 Feb 08 UTC
- Baldrick and Blackadder on the 1914 Christmas Truce

Baldrick: Remember the football match?
Blackadder: Remember it? How could I forget it! I was never offside! I could not believe that decision.
Farcus189 (505 D)
28 Feb 08 UTC
Something To Ponder

If it's natural instinct to kill, how come men have to go into training to learn how to fight?
Welke (100 D)
28 Feb 08 UTC
"You can get more with a kind word and a gun than you can with a kind word alone." --Al Capone
Theophilus (100 D)
28 Feb 08 UTC
Please join the game "No Name" gid=3101

Password is Thucydides
Theophilus (100 D)
28 Feb 08 UTC
Please join the game "No Name" gid=3101

Password is Thucydides
figlesquidge (2131 D)
28 Feb 08 UTC
Please get your own thread, this one's mine thanks :P
Darwyn (1601 D)
28 Feb 08 UTC
"Well I'm a mushroom cloud layin' muthafucka, muthafucka!"
-Jules. Pulp Fiction

Darwyn (1601 D)
28 Feb 08 UTC
"If you are fighting to live, it's okay to die"
-Megadeath
Darwyn (1601 D)
28 Feb 08 UTC
"If the brain were so simple we could understand it, we would be so simple we couldn't."
- Lyall Watson
figlesquidge (2131 D)
28 Feb 08 UTC
O, and another few:
"Keep your friends close, but your enemies closer"
“Diplomacy is the art of saying "Nice doggie" until you can find a rock.” - Will Rogers
“The principle of give and take is the principle of diplomacy - give one and take ten” - Mark Twain
“Diplomacy is the art of letting someone have your way.” - Daniele Vare quotes

Now I think about it - I've seen some of these on peoples profiles, I think it's Locke who has the Vare quote
Darwyn (1601 D)
28 Feb 08 UTC
"In the struggle for survival, the fittest win out at the expense of their rivals because they succeed in adapting themselves best to their environment."
- Charles Darwin
Darwyn (1601 D)
28 Feb 08 UTC
Honestly, the best quote is the Vare one:

“Diplomacy is the art of letting someone have your way.”

That says it all.
thewonderllama (100 D)
28 Feb 08 UTC
fig: thief! i said the friends/ememies one up above.
Chrispminis (916 D)
28 Feb 08 UTC
“A real diplomat is one who can cut his neighbor's throat without having his neighbor notice it.” - No idea :S

“Diplomacy is to do and say the worst things in the nicest way.” - or something like that.

“Diplomacy means the art of nearly deceiving all your friends, but not quite deceiving all your enemies.” - Kofi Busia

“A diplomat who says “yes” means “maybe", a diplomat who says “maybe" means “no”, and a diplomat who says “no” is no diplomat.” - Charles de Talleyrand

Haha, Darwyn, stealing quotations from your namesake?
fwancophile (164 D)
28 Feb 08 UTC
"what use is an unloaded gun?" tony soprano
Darwyn (1601 D)
28 Feb 08 UTC
@Chrisp...

My contribution to quotes wouldn't be complete without it. :)
Brutorix (100 D)
28 Feb 08 UTC
"Let us make war, since evidently, you have found peace intolerable"
- Scipio Africanus to Hannibal
Brutorix (100 D)
28 Feb 08 UTC
Napoleon off wikiquote"

"Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake"

"The hand that gives is above the hand that takes. Money has no motherland; financiers are without patriotism and without decency; their sole object is gain."

"Kiss the feet of Popes provided their hands are tied"

"Strategy is the art of making use of time and space. I am less concerned about the latter than the former. Space we can recover, lost time never."

"Stupidity is not a handicap in politics."

"Men are more easily governed through their vices than through their virtues."

"It is not enough that I succeed — everyone else must fail"
- adapted from Hannibal

"In victory, you deserve Champagne; in defeat, you need it."

"If you start to take Vienna — take Vienna."

"All men are equal before God: wisdom, talents, and virtue are the only difference between them."

"A man will fight harder for his interests than for his rights."
Gobbledydook (1389 D(B))
28 Feb 08 UTC
"Don't put all your eggs in your basket."
figlesquidge (2131 D)
29 Feb 08 UTC
Isn't that 'one' basket Gobble?
lukes924 (1518 D)
29 Feb 08 UTC
"paper bleeds little" -For Whom the Bell Tolls. figure it out.
Feckless Clod (777 D)
02 Mar 08 UTC
"I love it when a plan comes together."

John 'Hannibal' Smith
Gobbledydook (1389 D(B))
02 Mar 08 UTC
Good dog, nice dog.
Gobbledydook (1389 D(B))
02 Mar 08 UTC
"Good dog, nice dog."
Common saying
Dant818 (100 D)
02 Mar 08 UTC
To fool your enemies you must first fool your friends
-I forgot who said this
Brutorix (100 D)
02 Mar 08 UTC
"NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooooooooooo..."
- Frodo, The Fellowship of the Ring 'the movie'
Gobbledydook (1389 D(B))
02 Mar 08 UTC
"You may fire when ready."
Death Star general, Star Wars.
The important phrase: READY
so don't fire until ready
abgemacht (1076 D(G))
03 Mar 08 UTC
"An animal is clever enough, but it takes a man to tell a lie."
-Steppenwolf, by Hermann Hesse
figlesquidge (2131 D)
03 Mar 08 UTC
The man of knowledge must be able not only to love his enemies but also to hate his friends.
Friedrich Nietzsche
anlari (8640 D)
03 Mar 08 UTC
Never hate your enemies. It affects your judgment.
-Godfather Part 3

No good deed goes unpunished.
andreas (232 D)
03 Mar 08 UTC
“All war represents a failure of diplomacy”
Tony Benn
andreas (232 D)
03 Mar 08 UTC
“A diplomat's life is made up of three ingredients: protocol, Geritol and alcohol.”
sean (3490 D(B))
03 Mar 08 UTC
just because you are paranoid doesn't mean they aren't after you.
Fistro (178 D)
04 Mar 08 UTC
yippie kay yay, motherf*cker!
Sicarius (673 D)
07 Mar 08 UTC
War does not determine who is right, only who is left


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Equinox (154 D)
05 Mar 08 UTC
Draw Request
Requesting a draw for the game "this be war" http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gid=2763.

The game is at a stalemate line between England/Turkey. England agrees to this draw.
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sean (3490 D(B))
05 Mar 08 UTC
Bored at work II the American Elections
started this thread another place but i thought it deserves its own thread as recently we haven't had a comedy thread.
a game of diplomacy
obama
clinton
Mc cain
ron paul
Huckabee
Rudy
edwards.

how do they perfrom?
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Theophilus (100 D)
04 Mar 08 UTC
Russian Election
Please join game Russian Election

gid=3139
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chs42 (466 D)
07 Mar 08 UTC
Move question
Can you move from North Africa to Spain?
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SlkySmoothOtter (969 D)
05 Mar 08 UTC
Waiving builds
I'm sure someone has commented on this previously, but a Waive option (or the option to finalize with fewer than your maximum allow builds completed) needs to be added so that you dont have to wait the entire 24 if the case is that you want to waive a build.
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BoG75 (6816 D)
07 Mar 08 UTC
Support Question
If a unit is offering support that support is cut is another army attacks the support giving unit. That is easy. My question is is I give support hold order to the unit that is giving support will the support still be cut.

Example:
A Gre support A Bul-Ser
F AGE support hold A Gre

If a unit from Alb attacks Gre will it cut Gre support?
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Rasputin31 (100 D)
07 Mar 08 UTC
Join High Rollers Game!
200pt Game! Need 4 more people Please join.
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Pandora (100 D)
06 Mar 08 UTC
To Anarchists about "Fighting the system from within"
So . . . you're in a band, with a really important message, and you want to get it out to as many people as possible—so you're trying to get really popular and sell lots and lots of records. Or perhaps you're a political activist and you think that it's necessary to use the mainstream media to educate people about certain issues. It seems to make sense that you should use these methods to reach people, because otherwise, who will notice you? Yes, you realize that you're making compromises with the very system you're trying to fight, but it'll be worth it in the end... and we all have to make compromises, don't we? It's worth considering whether we really do after all, just as it's worth questioning whether getting ahead in their system of cutthroat competition and mass-marketing can ever really help us change the world. What would happen if we stopped compromising, stopped playing their game altogether and concentrated all our efforts on creating channels of our own for spreading ideas in new ways?

The Revolution Cannot Be Televised
Of course they want you on their television show, radio program, rock festival, major label. They don't care whether they're selling mouthwash or anarchist revolution as long as they can keep people watching and buying. They know that sooner or later people are bound to get bored and fed up with the mindless, passionless drivel that they normally have to offer, and they count on you to keep new ideas and styles coming for them to exploit; without that, they'd have nothing new to sell people. They know if they can find ways to sell your own expressions of outrage back to you, to cash in on the very frustration that their system creates, they've got you beat. They know that no message you could spread through their channels could be more powerful than the message that your use of their medium itself sends: stay tuned. No awareness you could possibly raise through television or CDs sold in shopping malls is more important than the awareness of the power of individuals to act for themselves. Television watching and supermarket shopping keep people passive, watching things that they can never take part in and people they can never meet, buying what is marketed to them by corporations rather than making their own music, their own ideas, their own lives. To motivate people to act for themselves, you have to contact them more directly.

The Values of Mass Production
We're taught to think of our success in terms of numbers, aren't we? If touching one person's life is a good thing, then touching one thousand people's lives must be a great thing. It's easy to see where we learned to think this way: our whole society revolves around mass production. The more units we can move, the more customers we can serve, the more votes we can get, the more money and stuff we have, the better, right?

But maybe it's not possible to touch a thousand people as deeply or as powerfully as one person or ten people. And maybe it's not really so revolutionary after all to have one person or group telling everybody else what's right. Wouldn't it be better to try a decentralized approach where everyone works closely with those around them, instead of a few people leading an anonymous mass? Do you, or your band, or your label have to save the world all by yourselves? Why don't you trust anyone else to do it with you? (And have you noticed how much you have to stomp all over everyone else to get that success you plan to use to spread your message?)

One political band playing a show to nine hundred people can recite revolutionary slogans for everyone present to stand and listen to, but they remain out of arm's reach of most of the people there, up on a pedestal as "musicians," "artists," "heroes." On the other hand, one band playing an equally impassioned show to forty people, in a more intimate setting, can interact on a personal level with everyone there, and make it clear that everyone is capable of doing what they do. Thus they have the potential to spark four more bands (or similar revolutionary projects), increasing their impact exponentially. The same goes for record labels, for writers, for speakers and artists, and of course for "leaders" of any kind.

Working Within the System
Most of us don't get much pleasure out of the things we have to do to work inside the system. We'd rather be reading books on our own than writing assigned papers for school, rather be using our skills, energy, and time to work on projects of our own choice than selling ourselves to employers. But we feel like we have to work for them, whether we like it or not. It never occurs to us how much more fun, and perhaps more effective, it could be to take our labor out of their hands and do something else with it. Sure it would be hard at first, but nothing could be harder than to have to put up with this bullshit for the rest of our lives, right? Better we dedicate ourselves to replacing it than just dealing with it.

But, you protest, you're still going to be fighting the status quo, you're going to change things from the inside, right? That's what they tell you, at least. Of course the system has "appropriate procedures" for people with grievances to go through to try to make things better; that's the safety valve to release pressure when people get too worked up. Do you think the powers that be would really let anyone use their own laws and methods to depose them? If this system provided opportunities for real change, people would have taken advantage of them a long time ago. Countless generations have set out convinced that they would succeed where other had failed that's where lawyers and reporters come from, you know. They're the cynical corpses of idealistic young men and women who thought the system could be reformed.

Besides, can you trust yourself to work "within the system" for the right reasons? We're all programmed to want "success," to measure ourselves by wealth and social status, whether we like it or not. Could it be that you want to become a journalist or professor of political science or rock star because you can't bring yourself to consider any other options seriously, because you're afraid to try cutting to the safety line that ties you to the security of a mainstream lifestyle? And how can you be sure that it isn't that dark corner of your heart pushing you to seek success, the part that loves the attention and feelings of greatness your popularity and social standing bring? Sure it feels great to be able to tell your parents what your goals are and have them applaud your decisions... but is that any way to decide how to go about changing the world? Let's listen to our hearts, trust our instincts, and refuse to participate in anything that bores or outrages us. We need to nourish our idealism and our willingness to take risks, not work out new ways to integrate our frustration and our desperation for change back into the society that engendered them. Remember, every day we spend "using the system" is another day longer we'll have to wait until new networks and better ways of life replace the old ones.

How do we get out of here?
Yes, it often seems like there's no alternative to working "within the system" if we want to get things done and not keep our ideas quarantined within the narrow confines of the underground. But why keep the underground quarantined to narrow confines? Surely if we put all our energy into expanding the spaces in which we can interact as free, equal human beings, rather than trying to repair the burning machinery of this doomed society, we could make at least as much of an impact. Imagine what we could achieve if we kept all our potential in our own hands, and refused to waste it ever again working for their system for even a minute. There's no excuse to let even a fraction of our lives go by doing things we don't love, or to let any of our talents and efforts serve to prop up a world order we oppose. Instead, let's fight so hard, and live so hard, that others inside the cages of mainstream life can see us and are inspired to join us in our complete rejection of the old world and all its bullshit. And let's make our communities something greater than they are; let's make them more open and more capable of offering life-support, so that others really will be able to join us.

The system we live under offers only losers' games: economic competition instead of cooperation, popularity contests in place of community, the struggle to measure up to social norms instead of the pursuit individual dreams. The reason we're working towards something better in the first place is that everyone loses in these games so why play them? It's up to us to create new games, more joyful, exciting games to replace the old ones. Let's not try to beat them at their games, but make them join us in ours!
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Iggy24 (151 D)
07 Mar 08 UTC
76 Point Game
Join here. Password is churchill
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pitirre (0 DX)
06 Mar 08 UTC
new game; 6 days more
why of the game? because in 6 days im going to see iron maiden in concert! yes!

but anyway, is going to be a great game...so join!
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Joseph Stalin (123 D)
05 Mar 08 UTC
Draw Request
I would like to request a draw among Austria and Italy in the game No Eye Deer

http://www.phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gid=2877

Italy please post your agreement.
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figlesquidge (2131 D)
03 Mar 08 UTC
Updated
Just a little comment about a suspicious game...
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Asriel Belacqua (285 D)
06 Mar 08 UTC
Rankings
It might be nice if Kestas ever had time to have a Top 10, Top 100 players ranking link. Just to keep the ol' competitive atmosphere alive, not that Diplo players necessarily need to be goaded into being competitive.
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DNA117 (1535 D)
06 Mar 08 UTC
Sardinia and Crete
This should stop the questions.

In the large map they are the color of the player who controls Spain.
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Rait (10151 D(S))
06 Mar 08 UTC
Game nr. 3027 is hanging
... in due now
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Brutorix (100 D)
03 Mar 08 UTC
Requesting a draw for "World war 1- honor!"
The game is: http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gid=3043

I'd like all the remaining players of the game to post their consent below. After the mass-banning of a few days ago it has become pointless to attempt to continue.

Please draw the game and end Turkey's suffering :P
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keeper0018 (100 D)
06 Mar 08 UTC
new high rollers game, "High Rollers Game"
hey all-

since i have the points, i figured i would put them to good use. new 200 point game, please join.

http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gid=3162
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amathur2k (100 D)
06 Mar 08 UTC
bug in support move
if a army at albanai supporta a move into trieste, there is no option to support it from budapest, but if i say support it from venice than in the gamemaster i see it supporting a move from budapest ... ;-)
Kestas can u please take a look, the game is at http://phpdiplomacy.net/board.php?gid=3000
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Pandora (100 D)
06 Mar 08 UTC
empty games
hey my bf just made 2 games, and they're super empty so join up people
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VIOLA (1650 D)
05 Mar 08 UTC
Game 3027
What´s up with game 3027?
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Brutorix (100 D)
06 Mar 08 UTC
Idea for phpDiplomacy
What with the recent rise in multi-accounting it may be a good idea to make Diplomacy more suited to the large amount of players who choose to use multiple accounts.

One of the ways that this could be done is by making it possible to log into multiple accounts at the same time - this would make it easier to multi-account and harder to prove any allegations of multi-accounting. I truly believe this would easily boost the number of members on the site and attract more meta-gamers.
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Sicarius (673 D)
06 Mar 08 UTC
"pandora"
hey darling, get in my games, since you insisted i play
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Septimus (127 D)
06 Mar 08 UTC
Unaccepted Move Support
What does it mean when a unit's move support is not accepted by the unit it is supporting? Is this a glitch, or is it more likely that an error was made entering moves?
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Rasputin31 (100 D)
05 Mar 08 UTC
Kestas please close these accounts.
sweeney
hellyea
imgood
edward31
animal
funfun

They were created for a 100pt game with myself and i admit it.
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tomekperet (1041 D)
05 Mar 08 UTC
Back to black sea
Can you check in my game Euro 2008 I was kick out from bulgaria and why I am not able to retreat to black sea?
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amathur2k (100 D)
04 Mar 08 UTC
Idea to stop multi accounting
Hey Guys,
I have just had a game ruined by multi accouters, so
I have an idea to stop multi acccounters, have all new signups give unique 2 email addresses (assumption is that on an average everybody has 2 email addresses they check regularly) and 2 unique phone numbers and randomly send emails asking users to click on a link to these 2 email id's while the player is involved in a game, and if the emails go without a response put the account on hold.
Vigilante can even call up the phone numbers if they suspect multiple accounters
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