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orathaic (1009 D(B))
11 May 17 UTC
Trump's mind.
Found on facebook, but it appears to be from elsewhere...
orathaic (1009 D(B))
11 May 17 UTC
""Theory of mind" (ToM) is a concept in psychology. To have a ToM is to interpret the behavior of others as reflecting inner states. It is to interpret behavior as issuing from, and evidence of, desires, beliefs, intentions, fears, etc.
Humans typically develop ToM early, around 2-3. There are raging debates about whether various animals have ToM, or if so what kind.
People on the autism spectrum have difficulty w/ ToM -- difficulty connecting behaviors to mental states, difficulty "reading" behavior. Autism-spectrum presents one kind of ToM problem: a rich text to be read, but a reader with difficulty reading.
There is, however, another (I suspect) more rare ToM problem, namely: sophisticated readers over-interpreting a text. Typical adults are drawn almost irresistibly to see behaviors as indicators of complex mental states - persistent beliefs, desires, etc.
Here's the thing: Trump, by all indications, does not have beliefs, intentions, etc. that are stable, persistent across contexts. He is attuned to who is dominating & who is submissive *in the situation he finds himself in*. It is 100% situational, 0% persistent. He seeks domination. That's all. He does not care about, or even seem cognizant of, lying, reversing himself, switching loyalties, etc.
He's like a goldfish. No beliefs, intentions, plans, or schemes are carried from place to place. Every situation is new. There is, in a very real sense, no "mind" as such, only a set of animal impulses -- seek approbation, avoid blame, dominate, win.
Here's the problem: healthy adults are simply *not accustomed to dealing w/ someone like that*. It is a rare pathology. and even rarer for someone to be so protected by money/power/family that they can succeed in life despite the pathology.
To find someone with that pathology in a central position of power in the US is simply unprecedented. Utterly novel.
Normal people with normal ToM (including journalists) find it almost impossible to resist over-interpreting Trump's behavior. to see it as reflective of stable, persistent beliefs, intentions, and plans. They read "mind" into his behavior. Can't help it.
And this describes the vast bulk of journalism & analysis on Trump: a desperate attempt to figure out what kind of "mind" could possibly result in this bizarre set of statements & actions. Is there some long con? Is he distracting us? Secretly a genius?
Firing Comey in the middle of the Russia investigation, for example, seems nigh inexplicable. Where's the "mind," the deeper rationale? Does this show he "actually" wants to become a dictator? That he "actually" has inside info on what Comey knew/intended? That he's "actually" distracting attention from the Census thing (or all the other things)? "Actually" angling for revenge on Clinton?
All of these are (perfectly understandable) attempts to apply ToM. It's what we do, instinctively, *especially* in political analysis.
The mistake is not any particular one of these theories. The mistake is *applying conventional ToM at all*. Trump is, by all indications, just a bundle of impulses. Nothing more. Most likely explanation re: Russia is not some deep, secret plot, but ... DT saying yes to something that felt good in the moment and then immediately forgetting about it, connecting it to nothing else. Thus the confusion why everyone keeps bringing it up. Most likely explanation re: Comey is not some Machiavellian tactic, but ... he kept seeing Comey on TV saying not-awesome things, and that gave him bad feels, made him feel non-dominant. So he made Comey get off his TV. No "mind," just stimulus-response.
Accepting this fact -- that ToM is useless, that Trump really is nothing more than amygdala -- is *absolutely terrifying*. It is more terrifying than any particular ToM as applied to Trump. Stable desires & intentions, even if evil, at least *make sense*. A Trump ToM gives us the comfort of knowing that at least someone's in charge, someone has a handle on things, even if malign.
The idea that Trump is simply doing what produces good feels in a particular situation, that he is utterly unconstrained by consistency, by past commitments or statements, by laws or norms, by *anything* -- that's there's no "mind" as such -- is chilling. -David Roberts (@drvox)"
Hauta (1618 D(S))
11 May 17 UTC
But trump is not alone. He has counsel from bannon to Kushner to ivanka to the latest polls.
Jimmy48 (670 D)
11 May 17 UTC
Blather
orathaic (1009 D(B))
11 May 17 UTC
Trump is not alone, the question is, does he listen to his counsel... Does he trust them, how do they handle his reactions to bigthly news? And so on... Lots of things coming out of the white house in the last 100 days talk about these details.


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Peregrine Falcon (9010 D(S))
23 Mar 17 UTC
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WyattS14 (100 D(B))
10 May 17 UTC
A Series of Unfortunate Events
After re-reading a Series of Unfortunate Events (Which is still just as wonderful as it was eight or so years ago) I got very caught up in the Beatrice side story. It's very confusing and cryptic, and was wondering if anybody had there own opinions on it?
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brainbomb (290 D)
10 May 17 UTC
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Jared Leto for FBI director?
Comey is out bitches. If Thirty seconds to mars cannot fix us... Maybe Ashton Kutcher can clean up the FBI!
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Gen. Lee (7588 D(B))
09 May 17 UTC
Tournaments
Any more tournaments coming this year?
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Hauta (1618 D(S))
24 Apr 17 UTC
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France's Macron statutorily raped by his high school teacher, quite possibly
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emmanuel_Macron#Personal_life

He was also a member of the Socialist Party. Will the opposition be able to take advantage of these things? Runoff is on May 7th.
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CAPT Brad (40 DX)
07 May 17 UTC
Is Yhere Correlation to Ghost Ratings and 'D' Postition?
In my case there is a virtual tie between my points ranking and my GR.
"D" Position: 267 GR Position:266
And both have been getting lower in number and higher in rank/placement.
Does anyone else have this coincidence?
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Hauta (1618 D(S))
02 May 17 UTC
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Would you insure someone whose house was on fire?
No one would insure someone whose house is on fire, right? They just want to make a quick claim, far in excess of their premium paid. So why should we force insurance companies to accept people with pre-existing conditions?
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slypups (1889 D)
03 May 17 UTC
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Will the Canadians pay for the Canadian Wall?
Trump wants a wall with Mexico, but nothing for Canada. Why not? Doesn't he want to protect that border too? Please explain.
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brainbomb (290 D)
09 May 17 UTC
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Could Dolphins or Whales learn to play diplomacy
I was curious if Whales and Dolphins are capable of playing diplomacy. Either ftf or online. We could devise a helmet using donation money to fund marine biology experiments on these creatures. Study what openings they like; study their convoy choices. What do you think?
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jmo1121109 (3812 D)
27 Apr 17 UTC
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Thread Mutes
If you mute too many threads and then go to the settings page and try and change your password the site will let you, but the wrong password will be saved. So please limit yourself to muting less then 4,346 threads or I will have to delete all of them to fix your account. Cheers.
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venoms (0 DX)
09 May 17 UTC
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JECE (1248 D)
20 Apr 17 UTC
The IRS employs regressive taxation for independent contractors and the self-employed
I paid my taxes in the States the other day like a good citizen. And I'm pissed. Is it actually true that the States has regressive taxation for people categorized as self-employed/independent contractors?
Annual profit $0–$433.12: 0% tax rate
Annual profit $433.13–$128,316: 14.12955% tax rate (including on $433.12)
Annual profit $128,317–: 2.67815% tax rate (including on $128,316) + $14,694
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brainbomb (290 D)
07 May 17 UTC
Let's Play a Game
Below I have a detailed scenario. What will you do?
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AtomicOrangutan (95 D)
07 May 17 UTC
New game Mediterranean live pace!
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=197805

Live pace!
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CommanderByron (801 D(S))
07 May 17 UTC
Let's Play a Game
Below I have detailed a scenerio. How would you react?
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brainbomb (290 D)
04 May 17 UTC
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My girlfriend snores
Apparently we both snore alot. I am told I sound like a horse sometimes when I sleep. I was wondering if I am part centaur. What should I do to improve my airways so I dont snore? And please dont suggest hooking me up to tubes or some creepy oxygen machine. My ex did that and she was like sleeping next to skeletor
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dancing queen (100 D)
07 May 17 UTC
Interview with David Hood, TD of DixieCon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QoyccMctLb0

Memorial day weekend - if you're in striking distance of Chapel Hill NC, come out and play!
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CommanderByron (801 D(S))
06 May 17 UTC
Humanz
Okay, so this forum isn't really the first i'd go to for thoughts on music. no offense but you all don't seem that .. cool... but alas i have an inquiry. Has anyone listened to the Gorillaz Album "Humanz" if so thoughts?
Disclaimer: I am a huge Gorillaz fan and love the album.
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Valis2501 (2850 D(G))
04 May 17 UTC
I might not be here much longer
Health complications, see below


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fourofswords (415 D)
03 May 17 UTC
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Can a convoy provide support?
Can a convoy provide support or must it only transport a unit to a location where it can "land safely"?
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orathaic (1009 D(B))
03 May 17 UTC
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Instead of...
Rehashing all the same tired arguements, be it gun control, taxation as theft, or healthcare. Why not learn something about why these conversations never go anywhere?

http://theoatmeal.com/comics/believe
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sammitchgamgee (100 D)
04 May 17 UTC
Give me a rundown of webdip history!
It's been so long since I was here, and I want to know without spending hours reading the forum what's happened over the past few years. Gimme a history lesson!
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brainbomb (290 D)
02 May 17 UTC
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Would you ensure someones house gets set on fire?
No one would ensure someones house gets set on fire, right? They just want to make a pile of twigs, far in excess of their premium run of the mill "what looks like an accident electrical fire. So why should we force people to be lawful. Grab your torches, cans of gas and lets go reenact Shermans march on Atlanta.
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Easykill (424 D)
04 May 17 UTC
no chat box in game
In one of my games the chat box has disappeared mid game and all is see is the "mark messages unread" button. any idea how to return this? My other games still have the chat box and it is only the one specific game where it has disappeared for me. It was there previously
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Chaqa (3971 D(B))
03 May 17 UTC
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Official Grayest Movie Thread
Let's vote on what movie is the grayest, but I decide in the end.
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r.e._stern (130 D)
04 May 17 UTC
Rhyming Diplomacy
Advertising for gameID=197491 - based on gameID=195048
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Hauta (1618 D(S))
01 May 17 UTC
If the American South had not seceded from the Union
If the South had not seceded, would Lincoln have had any legal basis for attacking it? (Note: Lincoln used Commander-in-Chief power to put down any insurrection as legal basis for the Emancipation Proclamation). How would negotiations have turned out?
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CommanderByron (801 D(S))
01 May 17 UTC
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PM for PW
gameID=197264
36 hour phases
100 point buy in 60% RR
AnonFull press
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Bladerunners (779 D)
02 May 17 UTC
Civil disorder after 1 NMR?
Just an idea - I think countries should go into immediate civil disorder on 1 NMR so a new person can take over right away and keep the game going. The current system of a CD after 2 NMRs means a country + game can be ruined before a new player takes over.
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