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The Ambassador (124 D)
21 Oct 16 UTC
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2012 WebDip World Cup championship podcast interview
We all know and love this mammoth effort culminating in 104 years of gampeplay (http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=93086) - now you can hear Goldfinger, Leif and JECE's take in our podcast interview at DiplomacyGames.com, iTunes and Stiticher. Enjoy!
JECE (1248 D)
21 Oct 16 UTC
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Great! I'll take a look.
The Hanged Man (4160 D(G))
21 Oct 16 UTC
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What the heck? Exclusion of the fourth team involved in the eventual 4wd, which went on to win the World Cup? Conspiracy.
JECE (1248 D)
21 Oct 16 UTC
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The Hanged Man: True. Let us know what you think. :-)
The Hanged Man (4160 D(G))
21 Oct 16 UTC
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It was a good interview. And fair to have just you three, since you played the whole game start to finish.
ghug (5068 D(B))
21 Oct 16 UTC
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You didn't win. You were disqualified for breaking substitution rules. Including you would be scandalous.
The Ambassador (124 D)
21 Oct 16 UTC
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Dear me folks... it was hard enough getting 3 of the players together, 4 would've been impossible. As it is my partner in crime, kaner, missed out.
Leif_Syverson (271 D)
21 Oct 16 UTC
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@ THM, definitely interested in hearing your take/rebuttal.
The Hanged Man (4160 D(G))
21 Oct 16 UTC
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I don't have any disagreement with the opinions stated, so no need for rebuttal. I do have some thoughts, if I can remember them.

First, hat tip to my former teammate Mujus, who was the original Italy and played the first seventy-odd years of the game. That already exceeded the previous record for longest game. Mujus committed 3+ years of real life to the game, and simply reached the point of exhaustion (indeed, he no longer is active here). He brought Italy back from one SC to a viable position for me to take over. At that point, California already had used two subs and the TD was AWOL. As noted on the podcast, the remaining players were agreeable to Mujus (semi-anon, but by then everyone knew he was Italy) being replaced by an unspecified teammate rather than picking up a stranger off the street and throwing him into this historic game.

I agree the chief contributors to the extraordinary length of the game were (1) the fact that it was the last WC game and tournament-determinative; (2) the remarkable resolve of the players to commit to their individual win situation as the only acceptable outcome; (3) the variety and inconsistency of the players' individual win situations; and (4) the public press nature.

My team California had the tournament lead with only the PP game to go. As long as JECE/Russia/Iberia did not solo, we were going to win the tournament (JECE said on the podcast that he also needed Italy eliminated, which I had not figured out). While I was playing, I thought a solo by goldfinger0303/Russia/Mid-Atlantic also might win the tournament for his team. I thought a solo by Leif Syverson/Germany/Texas was a "safe" result that would still result in a California tournament win, but I wasn't actually sure which team was playing Germany. That was more inference from the in-game chatter by the other players. Because of all that, my main goal (and Mujus' before me) was to have the game end in a draw. If it had to be a solo, it needed to be a German solo. The interesting wrinkle was that Italy did not have to survive. Therefore, a RGA 3wd was an acceptable outcome for me. It was unusual trying to play for a result that did not have to include my survival.

When I joined in the 1970s, I identified JECE/Russia as my nemesis. He was the holdout on prior draws because he would only accept a Russian solo outcome. Therefore, my main strategy was to undermine Russia both in terms of board position and socially on the global press. If Russia were eliminated, I thought the game would end as a GAI draw. Once there were only three powers left, I thought the players were strong enough that any two should be able to stop the third from a solo.

On the board, I tried to counter JECE's strategy of maintaining control over Scandinavia and Anatolia. I tried to create conditions where I could encourage Germany to take Russia out in the north. If JECE ever lost StP, I thought his solo aspirations would be over. I also tried to create conditions where I could encourage Austria to take Russia out in Anatolia, or more likely split it with me.

I kept control of Austria by making sure he never built fleets. One time he tried to slip a fleet build in. It didn't hurt the joint AI position on the board, but it incrementally increased his potential for a solo. In a normal game, I might have been irritated but would have continued working with him. Because of the tournament format/win condition, I instead threw everything at him to make sure that it was clear he would never solo, even if I died in the process (since a 3wd excluding Italy was acceptable). Austria couldn't make progress against me without exposing himself to Russia, and eventually he had to disband his fleets. With no fleets, he was no solo threat and I controlled the entire Med.

Gibraltar was a key location. One of Germany's solo pushes came when I was playing. Because I controlled the Med, I had the ability to hold Gibraltar and shut Germany out, or conversely to let him into the Med to allow the solo. That gave me leverage against Austria and Russia, since a German solo was an acceptable outcome for me and not them.

Despite the fact that I only needed the game to end in a draw, and not even necessarily including me, I almost soloed. Germany and I were working together smoothly toward the elimination of Russia and we had a peaceful, stable arrangement around the English island. I don't remember if Leif NMR'd or we had a miscommunication, but the result was that my fleets around the island got into an advantageous position that I didn't intend. I was able to use that advantage to stab Germany and storm the Atlantic, eventually getting up to 16 centers. I thought it would be an exciting finish to the historic game if I could solo, but I wasn't able to pull it off.

I don't think the WC format came across clearly on the podcast. To me, it sounded like there was one prior game needed to get to the final round. There was one preliminary round (group stage, which goldfinger0303 did say). But the preliminary round was made up of two full press games, two gunboat games, and one public press game. The teams' composite scores from all of those preliminary games dictated who made it into the final round. The final round then repeated the same array of games. So by the time the PP game was the last of the tournament, there had been 15 games played in the preliminary round (of which each Final team played in 5) and four completed games in the Final round (of which each Final played in all).

Lastly, ghug is like Gollum, creeping around in his rainy Seattle cave of bitterness and dreaming about the Precious who got away. Someday he'll bite my finger off as he falls into the volcano.
JECE (1248 D)
21 Oct 16 UTC
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The Hanged Man: 'If I can remember is key', ha ha.

Looking back at analysis I sent my teammates on 20 December 2012 (the constant communication with teammates is one of many distinguishing features of the game we couldn't get to in the podcast), at least by late 1917 it was already clear that any Russian win would grab Iberia the tournamnet win. I made a mistake in the podcast. So no, I didn't need to eliminate you:
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I haven't checked those numbers myself to see if they add up. But as you can see, my game is the only one left and we can only win the World Cup if I win it (438 points). If I manage to get my game down to a 2-way draw (227 points), we will fall short by over 100 points and come in 2nd place. Because Kompole of the Balkans was eliminated in my game, Iberia will come in 2nd place the moment I agree to any draw of the game (the minimum 71 points we would get from a 6-way draw would put us above the Balkans).

The only two teams that can still win the world cup are "California I" and Iberia; the Californians have a distinct advantage. Even so, overall this is good news! In the last (and first) edition of the World Cup, we finished 3rd. San Diego (the old California I) had finished 5th in the last World Cup.
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JECE (1248 D)
21 Oct 16 UTC
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The Hanged Man: As for the World Cup format, I agree that we didn't explain it very well. By two games we meant that each individual player in the Finals has only played one game.

The Ambassador: Very interesting editing (interesting maybe just because I haven't been interviewed before, ha ha). Apart from having to recreate some of the questions you asked us, I notice you also shaved on content slightly and rearraned the order of some of the questions/responses. I appreciate the effort you put into making the podcast more cohesive and logical. The intro and concluding remarks you made with kaner406 also added to the interview. The sound quality actually came out pretty good to my ears.
Gen. Lee (7588 D(B))
22 Oct 16 UTC
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I had didn't know this game occurred and was blown away when I clicked the link and saw 2005. Thanks for putting the pod together I enjoyed it.
The Ambassador (124 D)
22 Oct 16 UTC
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Thanks TheHangedMan and JECE for your follow up comments.

And thanks General Lee for your support. Glad you guys liked the podcast!
JECE (1248 D)
24 Oct 16 UTC
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You joined webDiplomacy less than two weeks after this game started and somehow missed this, ha ha? The game ran for almost the entire time you've been on this website, with a Forum thread pertaining to the game (and tournament of which the game was a a part) continuously getting bumped to the first page all those years.
JECE (1248 D)
24 Oct 16 UTC
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That was to Gen. Lee, of course.
Tasnica (3366 D)
24 Oct 16 UTC
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Neat interview! It was definitely a great game to watch.
CommanderByron (801 D(S))
24 Oct 16 UTC
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I love your guys podcasts they now have a spot among the greats of my podcast feed.
Gen. Lee (7588 D(B))
24 Oct 16 UTC
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I must have muted a long time ago or something lol.
Valis2501 (2850 D(G))
24 Oct 16 UTC
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Oh, Gen, you probably haven't noticed since you come back. We now have a webDip Premium membership. It's only 25 USD/year and it comes with a bunch of cool perks, including access to our monthly podcast.
Valis2501 (2850 D(G))
24 Oct 16 UTC
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Simply send me your Chase banking info and I'll sign you up
JECE (1248 D)
26 Oct 16 UTC
In case anyone is curious, here is a better URL for the previous record-holder:
http://www.floc.net/observer.py?judge=USTR&game=vgnp4127&page=game

It's interesting that that was also a tournament game. But crucially, this was a no press game! That maybe adds a nuance to our theory that public press contributed to the runtime of our game.

None of the players in that game finished in the top 3 of what appears to have been a large tournament:
https://web.archive.org/web/20080107230445/http://doug.obscurestuff.com/vgnp04.html
The Ambassador (124 D)
28 Oct 16 UTC
Valis are you in Nigeria?

@CommanderByron - thanks mate :-)


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MrcsAurelius (3051 D(B))
24 Oct 16 UTC
Winter is coming - time for a game
After a summer hiatus -living the good life away from my PC- I'd like to set up a game to keep me busy during the cold winter months. Are there more out there?
7 replies
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Condescension (10 D)
28 Oct 16 UTC
Is development ongoing?
I've noticed that the development forum is inactive and that the github hasn't had any changes in months. Is it still being developed, and can new devs join?
6 replies
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orathaic (1009 D(B))
27 Oct 16 UTC
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Criticising the media
What the hell is the deal with focusing on female public figure's clothes/fashion shit? Britian and Scotland have female heads of government, why would i care about what shoes they are wearing??

https://www.indy100.com/article/sun-headline-theresa-may-nicola-sturgeon-correction-everyday-sexism-7382731
10 replies
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reedeer1 (100 D)
18 Oct 16 UTC
Gunboats
This is a thread to post any gunboat games in.
24 replies
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tvrocks (388 D)
25 Oct 16 UTC
Game of thrones
Hi everyone, so based on my personal observations it seems like most high-level players would prosper in the Game of Thrones series. Do you guys think this is accurate? Discuss.
11 replies
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alacast (100 D)
10 Oct 16 UTC
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Swank leather Diplomacy map
For those that also play in person. Or for having a physical reference when playing online, in style!

https://www.etsy.com/listing/251553839/diplomacy-map?ref=shop_home_active_4
20 replies
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Jamiet99uk (865 D)
27 Oct 16 UTC
Revealed! Ed Miliband's secret past as Clinton hitman
Former British Labour leader was Clintons' hired gun and arranged sex parties for Hilary. SHOCKING.

http://americannews.com/hillary-clintons-hitman-reveals-dark-secret-that-she-thought-hed-take-to-the-grave/
7 replies
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dr. octagonapus (210 D)
26 Oct 16 UTC
Im bored, and I havn't played in ages
I'd like to set up a round of games to stretch some old diplomacy muscles.
not fussed about pot size but im looking to start a round of 7 games with 6 others.
Games will be 24-36 hours, gunboat, SoS, hidden draws
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bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
10 Sep 16 UTC
Live Game Tournament - Official Thread
This is the official forum thread for the first webDiplomacy Live Game Tournament. I will update the score each week in this thread. commentary from players and spectators is welcome.

The tournament rules and other relevant player information were distributed by email to each player. Game invitations are also distributed by email.
159 replies
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Ezio (2181 D)
26 Oct 16 UTC
Convoy/support cutting
I want to know how this situation works (example position)
I have fleet TYR and army TUN. Enemy has fleet Rome and Fleet ION.
I convoy TUN to ROME, and he has ROME support Ionian to Tyr. What happens?
Does my army being convoyed cut the support, so everything bounces, or does the fleet in the Ionian knock fleet TYR out?
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Pikura (25 DX)
26 Oct 16 UTC
Kick Players or Report Players
I am in a big world game but this guy has gone away or something and isn't playing but we still have to wait a day for the next turn to start is their anyway of getting rid of him.
1 reply
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brainbomb (290 D)
21 Oct 16 UTC
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I Voted Today
Should come as no shock to anyone but I mailed off my absentee ballot to the Nebraska 2nd Congressional District just moments ago. Cannot stress it enough, Vote. You lose the right to bitch if you dont vote.
202 replies
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Randomizer (722 D)
25 Oct 16 UTC
Did Trump commit insurance fraud?
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/trump-took-17-million-insurance-174935609.html

Did Trump file for more in damages than actually occurred?
1 reply
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Jamiet99uk (865 D)
23 Oct 16 UTC
Tech Support
Just seeing if the community can offer me any advice regarding my Android phone.
40 replies
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CommanderByron (801 D(S))
25 Oct 16 UTC
Public challenge frostweaver
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=184572

Anyone else interested PM for PW
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brainbomb (290 D)
23 Oct 16 UTC
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Tech Support
Just seeing if the community can offer me advice on which device I should get that exploits child slave labor the most.
19 replies
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peterlund (1310 D(G))
23 Oct 16 UTC
Will anyone miss the UK?
Sitting here in my armchair sipping Fuller's ESB Ale I just realised that this is a product produced in UK. Will my ESB become more expensive for me when they leave the Union? That's a scary prospective indeed. Wonder if there is anything more of value that I will miss? Need to think some more on this...
25 replies
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Chaqa (3971 D(B))
19 Oct 16 UTC
Lusthog
It's been a damn long time. Who is down for Lusthog?
40 replies
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ssorenn (0 DX)
22 Oct 16 UTC
Ddos attack
A massive DDoS attack on Dyn networks. Anyone here affected?
83 replies
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wildwolf (1214 D)
23 Oct 16 UTC
Are you hungry for some points
Look for some shrimp gumbo followed by schnitzel and strudel. Wash it down with a coke.
1 reply
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DragonKiller101 (10 DX)
23 Oct 16 UTC
New Private Game
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=184435

Password is Hi
5 replies
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farq u (0 DX)
22 Oct 16 UTC
civil disorder
what does civil disorder in the game mean?
6 replies
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Valis2501 (2850 D(G))
23 Oct 16 UTC
Web Browser Games
What's your favorite?

I've tried Ogame, Kingdom of Loathing, Fallen London, various Incrementals.
11 replies
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MrcsAurelius (3051 D(B))
23 Oct 16 UTC
this game needs two more!
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=183936
0 replies
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jackalb (646 D)
23 Oct 16 UTC
Orders not processed correctly
A game-influencing support order was not processed in my game and from what I understand (based on the site Help section) the forum is the place for bug reports. The order was Baffin Bay S Arctic Ocean-Greenland in a Fall of the American Empire IV game. See reply for more. -j
3 replies
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farq u (0 DX)
23 Oct 16 UTC
support move.
i Don't understand how to support move because i fear that i will just waste a move doing nothing.
5 replies
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brainbomb (290 D)
22 Oct 16 UTC
Mozzerella Sticks
.
7 replies
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TrPrado (461 D)
16 Oct 16 UTC
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Battle of Mosul
The battle to retake Mosul from ISIS for Iraq has begun.
46 replies
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Kakarroto (128 D)
20 Oct 16 UTC
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Aftermatch thought (from a spectator)
Hello, I've spectated the game:
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=184257
12 replies
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