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yassem (2533 D)
14 Apr 15 UTC
Canceling games due to cheating...
I have two questions concerning the mechanics of canceling games due to cheating.
yassem (2533 D)
14 Apr 15 UTC
1. Does that result in returning points (and erasing the "lost" from statistics) to players that have already lost?
2. Can this be done even after a game has finished (e.g. as a result of some new evidence)
TrPrado (461 D)
14 Apr 15 UTC
1) Yes
2) No
yassem (2533 D)
14 Apr 15 UTC
Well, then 2) quite sucks : <
I've found games where 5 players (and even in one case, all 7) were banned.
bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
14 Apr 15 UTC
It actually can, but I have only seen it done once, which is where someone basically hacked another player and screwed up their orders to solo. They don't do that for basic multis, though.
Silent Knight (82 DX)
14 Apr 15 UTC
Hacked another player to win an online Diplomacy game?

That sounds like a serious addiction problem.
tvrocks (388 D)
14 Apr 15 UTC
@silent knight: it doesn't actually sound that weird. I have never personally played a f2f game, though have heard people commonly intercept other people's orders and submit new ones.
bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
14 Apr 15 UTC
Yeah, when I played email games, I would intentionally email one of the players false orders and tell them it was meant for the adjudicator, hoping to throw them off. Anything goes I guess, but there are obviously rules against accessing accounts without permission. I don't remember who it was but he's banned.
Silent Knight (82 DX)
14 Apr 15 UTC
@tvrocks: while it might not sound weird to you, it can, at the same time, still sound quite serious to me.

A bit of horseplay amongst friends in a f2f game (though I wouldn't condone that personally) is quite different to the remote hacking of someone's computer. Also, hacking is a criminal offence (at least in my country), while horseplay amongst friends in f2f board game is clearly not.
bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
14 Apr 15 UTC
Hacking is the wrong word. The offender sat the victim's account once and then kept their password. He used it again when they played each other.
captainmeme (1723 DMod)
14 Apr 15 UTC
Bo - That game wasn't cancelled: gameID=103065

Kestas changed the result from a solo to a draw in the database, but messing around with the database directly can have very bad consequences so it's not been done since.

Also, the player who changed the orders was not in the game.
bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
14 Apr 15 UTC
That wasn't canceled? Damn it -_-
jmo1121109 (3812 D)
14 Apr 15 UTC
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"2. Can this be done even after a game has finished (e.g. as a result of some new evidence)"

There are a few problems with this. The first is that sometimes we don't catch people cheating for a long time. A good example of this is an ex member sargmacher who was well respected and played in close to 40 games with multi's over months and months, carefully hiding them. By the time we found him all we could do was ban him. If we'd cancelled the games it would have had widespread impacts on players records, points, and would have caused significant problems for ghostratings.

The other problem is there are so many games that meet the 2 multi and cancel condition from the 5 years or so before we implemented that rule that the backlog of games would overwhelm the mods.
yassem (2533 D)
14 Apr 15 UTC
Okay, so:
2.a) What's the 2 multi and cancel condition? Does that mean that every game with 2 multi accounts should be banned?
2.b) To be honest I ask because often when I play anon games (and right now I play almost exclusively) I sometimes get the feeling something's fishy, but I don't want to bother mods with every little hunch I got (and especially mess up my great stat of 4 times being right about multi in a row record), so I always think "Nah, I'll wait till the end, see their accounts (like the time of setting up the account, games played together, number of games etc), and if things still smell fishy I'll mail the mods, but now it seems that would not work perfectly. Bummer.
yassem (2533 D)
14 Apr 15 UTC
And BTW - the "hacked" game is the stupidest thing I've ever seen, he didn't even try to make it look like Austria messed up his orders, he just went full berserk. Dumbass.
captainmeme (1723 DMod)
14 Apr 15 UTC
2.a) From the rules page:
"We will consider cancelling games when there are 2 or more multis in the same game and they had a considerable effect on the game as a whole. We will encourage the remaining players to cancel on their own. If they do not, we will ask for an explanation. We will determine if the explanation is warranted and either leave it alone or force cancel with an explanation. If no players have been eliminated the remaining players may choose to draw the game before it is cancelled. "

2.b) Please email us whenever you are suspicious - if they're clean, the check doesn't take much time, and if they are multis/metas it can help us find them a lot faster than we otherwise would.
jmo1121109 (3812 D)
14 Apr 15 UTC
"I don't want to bother mods with every little hunch I got"

Don't worry about that. It takes us very little time to check, and if you report it to us while the game is ongoing we will cancel the game if there is cheating even if our investigation goes past the game completion.

Games with 2 or more activly cheating people will be cancelled. Some games may have more banned players without being cancelled if those people were not cheating in that specific game.
jmo1121109 (3812 D)
14 Apr 15 UTC
(+1)
ninja'ed :(
Octavious (2701 D)
14 Apr 15 UTC
Yay! Sarg is back!

Awww... Sarg is banned
Octavious (2701 D)
14 Apr 15 UTC
Nice bit of huntsmanship by whoever caught him. Almost disappointing to see him go though.
If i'm not mistaken the person who did the 'hack' in that game confessed to it too.
KingCyrus (511 D)
14 Apr 15 UTC
Our new young Knight has fallen... :(
jmo1121109 (3812 D)
14 Apr 15 UTC
(+1)
"If i'm not mistaken the person who did the 'hack' in that game confessed to it too."

No, they did not. It was a royal pain to sort out, most of that credit going to yebellz for hours spent figuring it out.

As for catching sarg again, joint effort by the team.
bo_sox48 (5202 DMod(G))
14 Apr 15 UTC
Lol, again?
I meant after confrontation? I feel that's what I was told before I magnanimously let my deserved victory get stripped from my record ;)


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KingCyrus (511 D)
14 Apr 15 UTC
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Who was the greatest goaltender in NHL history?

Requirements: Must have played in the NHL. All statistics used must be from the NHL (sorry Tretiak)
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Jamiet99uk (808 D)
11 Apr 15 UTC
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Lol, whut?

http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2015/04/10/florida_middle_schooler_arrested_charged_with_hacking_cybercrimes.html
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JamesYanik (548 D)
13 Apr 15 UTC
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What if a country were to get to 18 SCs, but a retreats phase would let one of his opponents retreat into one of his SCs? would he win automatically, or do the retreats count?
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Puddle (413 D)
13 Apr 15 UTC
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When do these usually come out?
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abgemacht (1076 D(G))
13 Apr 15 UTC
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All of my games have ended and I'm looking for some friends, new and old, to play a game with. 25-36 hour phases WTA nonanon.
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Balrog (219 D)
12 Apr 15 UTC
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Game of Thrones episode leak
Generally, I'm not the kind of a player who post on the forum, let alone start a new thread. (Although I do read almost all). This time I can't contain my excitement . 4 episodes of Game of Thrones season 5 has been leaked online and I am in a dilemma. I would want to watch those ASAP, but legally. At the same time it would be impossible to avoid spoilers for a month. Any insights on this?
Also +1 this if you got the news from here first :p
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abgemacht (1076 D(G))
12 Apr 15 UTC
(+2)
Team 1768 makes it to the World Championships!
The FIRST (http://www.usfirst.org/roboticsprograms/frc) team I mentor did well enough in regionals to make it to the World Championships in St Louis! If interested, see inside for more details about the team as well as a small favor.
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Valis2501 (2850 D(G))
12 Apr 15 UTC
Worst stats ever?
https://puu.sh/hbyJd/758c37fb04.png
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josemurc (32640 D)
12 Apr 15 UTC
gunboating
Interested!
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JamesYanik (548 D)
12 Apr 15 UTC
Manchester Derby Result
wow. I have a few complaints with Clattenburg, but all the goals seemed legit. I suppose United is back with this 6 game winning streak.
5 replies
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JamesYanik (548 D)
12 Apr 15 UTC
no lies, some regrets EOG
post here for gameID=158557 EOG
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JamesYanik (548 D)
12 Apr 15 UTC
Replacement needed live game
Germany 5 SCs high quality position
gameID=158557
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ZS (211 D)
12 Apr 15 UTC
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Longest someone has survived with 1 SC


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Syber (100 D)
12 Apr 15 UTC
Can't put orders
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=158076

Im turkey and I cant put orders for this build no matter what. Tried 4 different browsers across mobile and desktop to no avail. I click in save or ready and nothing happens...
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Ges (292 D)
12 Apr 15 UTC
EOG good old gunboat-3
Fun game, folks! It was great to have not a single NMR. Peterwiggin and tomekperet in particular, very nice play. Stranger, you did some excellent dancing in the mid-late game.
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Valis webDip Invitational 1 EOGs
gameID=155106

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Oneshot0813 (80 D)
12 Apr 15 UTC
New Modern Diplomacy Game Called " European Conflict-4"
The game is set to start in 2 days, and each phase length is 1 day 12 hours. Here is the link should you be willing to play.
http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=158549
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Thucydides (864 D(B))
10 Apr 15 UTC
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https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=490803234401060
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Marlen (20 DX)
11 Apr 15 UTC
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What are some hilariously ridiculous things that television (and newspaper) fans actually believed? Here are some good ones off the top of my head that fit into this summary:
1. CNN says Isis lures western girls with nutella, emojis and kittens
2. Gadafi was giving viagra to his troops for his raping campaign
3. The Iraqi army while at war decided to make stopovers at hospitals to throw babies out of incubators and let them die on the the floor
32 replies
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What's the worst thing that ever happened to you after you ate Chinese food?
My wife got food poisoned from some "chicken" last night. I wanted to see what other fun experiences you guys have had eating Chinese take out.
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cb6000 (100 D(S))
11 Apr 15 UTC
a question about bulgaria
On my board Bulgaria has an east coast and a south coast. On this site it has a north coast. How did this come to be? Thank you.
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Marlen (20 DX)
10 Apr 15 UTC
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South America Variant
I have no friends. So between my mom and dad and two siblings we play the 5-player South America map. I searched "Diplomacy South America Strategy" and only get Risk results. I am always the first to lose and my parents laugh every time and tell me to make myself useful and do the dishes while they enjoy a game with their real children. Any help?
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Porthmeus (104 D)
11 Apr 15 UTC
Effects of Voting for a draw
What affect does voting for a draw have on the amount bet or value of the pot in a game?
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jmspool (100 D)
11 Apr 15 UTC
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Yes, you read that right. Buzzfeed somehow made a post about gaming controversial.

This is the post: http://www.buzzfeed.com/tomchivers/monopoly-sucks
You'll see that Diplomacy gets high marks.
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yassem (2533 D)
08 Apr 15 UTC
Just next killing of a black man by white cop
And though all the arguments have already been spoken I am just honestly amazed that we don't a thread about it yet.
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Valis2501 (2850 D(G))
11 Apr 15 UTC
Putin wrong again of course
http://i.imgur.com/87Pcu6V.gifv
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yassem (2533 D)
06 Apr 15 UTC
Rolling stones
Am I wrong here?
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JamesYanik (548 D)
11 Apr 15 UTC
Star Wars: The Original Trilogy vs Prequels
time to see which ones of you I hate
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