...and find out it's a lot of explanations from bb. Hold above thought.

@trip -- it is a scum-like move, but its par for the course because that's how he is. Yes, I think it is poor behavior, but if a duck quaks, it doesn't mean he's the bird that shit on your hotdog. BB is a lour-mouthed effusive duck. Not yet determined if he's a scum though.

y2k -- So....in other words -- You have now confessed to doing EXACTLY what I said you did -- you jumped to a conclusion about my post BECAUSE IT WAS ME, not because of the content. I called you out on this TOTALL SCUM behavior pattern...and voted for you...and now suddenly you have changed you mind.

Played you like a violin, chump. I fished for an over-reactionary scum that would attack me for my post, and I sunk a hook through your fat babbling cheek.

##VOTE y2k --- for admission of guilt.

I would encourage others to examine y2k specific behavior and determine whether or not you think it is actual town that he is concerned about, or if he is just trying to throw daggers as easy targets.

i.e. y2k my shit-spewing was PERFECTLY productive. It worked *exactly* as it was intended to, in that is caught an over-reactionary scum.

Vash wasn't nearly as offended as you were, and my critique was about him. Your reaction was over the top, and typical of someone seeking to lynch obnoxious town you *think* (incorrectly) are easy to kill.

I think I'm going to put in a preliminary ##voteVecna. So, far it seems like he has been focusing on throwing shade around with little productivity so far. Which is especially ironic when he talks about everyone being uncivil. Though I must admit, I also don't like Chaqa announcing he's going to lurk, but I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt for now. Anyway, have lots of class so hopefully I don't get too far behind.

clap clap krellin, you do you, if you come up with a question for me that isn't more shit-spewing i'll talk to you. i don't think you're scum right now, just a loud boisterous idiot taking pride in the reactions he garners from his shit-spewing. i'm also leaning town on Vash and Jamiet now, not enough seen for any other town leans yet.

i think trip is likely town too.

@vecna: "thats an interesting play you do there, suddenly trying to form a wagon out of nothing. Do you really think BB's play is so damn confusing to town or was there something or someone that required attention diverting?"

I think I explained my vote on brainbomb and made a persuasive call to lynch him. It wasn't to distract attention away from anything, given that almost nothing has happened this game. And yes, I do think brainbomb hurts town with his play style.

"Maybe you were protecting jamiet who is suddenly playing a whole lot different from last games? Trying to antagonize people slightly and attempting to somewhat copy bb's and krellin's style?"

How dare you sir? How have my posts come across as antagonistic? How is my play style even remotely similar to krellin's or bb's? You insult me sir. If I had a glove, I'd slap you in the face with it and demand satisfaction.

y2k - I made an informative post in which I expressed my disagreement with Vash's rules for play....

...you responded by flinging poo at me and calling me stupid.

If you want to talk about who is spewing more shit, I will let the crowd be the judge. You are now just spamming the thread in an attempt to cause people to not like me by making negative accusations against me with no actual substance.

It won't work. I trust that the good Town fold in this game are oh significantly higher intellect than you give them credit for, and they won't be persuaded by yoru childish poo-flinging.

##VOTE y2k

do you think when you vote for me in every single one of your posts, you're making a stronger case against me? ultimately i don't want this thread flooded with me having a stupid argument with you, just like I stopped with brainbomb. ask a question if you got one smart guy. how you took so much offense with me disagreeing with your read of Vash's post is beyond me. actually you're krellin so it's not beyond me, mr. victim. your vote of me is OMGUS at its worst.

upon rereading my reaction to your vash reaction, i see how i went heavy on implying you were intentionally smearing vash, which i assume is why you went batshit crazy. even though your post did take into account all of Vash's headlines, it seemed like you were headline reading. reading the meat of Vash's "rules" lead me to the conclusion that he's likely town.

y2k - I think when I vote for you repeatedly I am empashizing to the locals that there is a reason to vote for you embedded in the post - which should be signal to examine the post and previous posts.

I will not vote for you in this post, because there will be nothing in it that should persuade anyone.

it's called BEING OPEN AND HONEST about what you do and why you do it. It's akin to scum-notches. My intention in this game is to leave no doubt in a person's mind why krellin does something, by attaching votes (repeated if needed) and scum notches to significant discussion points.

This is as opposed to all your wanna-be Sherlock Holmes dorks that spend days spewing random shit, and then put together 10 page diatribes about why you think Joe's misspelling on page 3.5 and his vote yesterday equal guilt.

I call it when I see it and document it.

You have a problem with me being honest and transparent?

So y2k ---- AGAIN, you have now confessed, to paraphrase, "I, y2k, saw a post by krellin and didn't actually read it, but immediately jumped to a negative conclusion about him and tried to publicly smear krellin's name without rational cause".

When I called you out on this, you doubled down on your attempt to smear my name.

You are scum. If this is going to be your behavior this whole game, I *will* see you swing.

ugh i can't deal with you krellin. vote me if you want. i honestly don't know how to talk to you.

OB_GYN_KENOBI is lying. And several people are protecting him.

1) In a recent private conversation OB said he can tell when I am scum because I appear more coherent and make more sense than I should.

2) Ob_Gyn_Kenobi is voting for brainbomb because "his strategies make no sense and he is harmful to town". HR is posting minimally but feeding into the notion I am a lunatic for guessing accurately Ob may be scum.

3) Ob_Gyn_Kenobi usually asks people he votes for questions and tries to incite logical reasons for his votes. Here he has joined an easy wagon for contradictory reasons to his typical town behavior. Hes used appeal to audience on back to back votes now.

4) Ob_Gyn_Kenobi has only been a bad guy once on this site. His behavior thus far has been reactionary; appeal to audience, and focused on playing completely contrary to his usual style. He claims he doesnt like pollution but proceeds to pollute the voting environment with back to back inadequate votes.

5) Ob is getting noticable support from the following actions.
a) Y2k is adamant that I am scum because I have read past games, have provided advice to our PRs which nobody else has done, and that I am confusing town by postiing too much. (simply not true)

b) HR has in fact not participated adequately nor responded to his early wagon. and has indeed been useless thus far.

c) Chaqa is more afraid of being lynched than I am so he would rather feebily join his accuser than risk OMGUS.

well OB any thoughts?

Scum team updated
HR
y2k
OB
Yoyo (where is he?)

(and 2 other people.)

##Unvote

Can't deal with what? My transparency? My honesty? The fact that you can't defend your poor behavior and I called you out on it.

Here....try this. A Public Apology for being a typical reactionary dick towards me and a recommendation that others consider my words, instead of dismissing them as you attempted to do.

You are STILL trying to besmirch my character with your Drama Queen "sigh...I just CAN'T talk to you...wahh wahh wahhh..."

Get over it, dude. You fucked up. Put on your big boy panties and admit in clear language to all that you screwed up. THAT is what I am seeking from you *IF* you are a Townie of Integrity. Are you?

You are just still pissed at me because you hate me from way back in your mod days, and you are too emotionally juvenile to get past it in the game context.

if for you, transparency and honesty means you have to scream at people in your reaction tests (if you're town that's what I said I think you're doing now, reaction testing), then keep on screaming, i take back my suspicion that you're trying to smear. you do you, krellin.

@BB --- you are an idiot. Do you truly expect someone to take you seriously when you claim that half way through the first day you have already figured out a whole scum team....Get a grip.

i was never a real mod, i never had to truly deal with you. and i won't ever vote for you in this game just because i hate your attitude, i'll only do it if i think you're scum.

Ok, for now I am going to park a ##VOTE ND.

Rereading over everything this morning, I'm interested in a connection I see between ND, redeer, and bb. bb started the HR votes, and then y2k was 3rd on, prompting bb to throw him right on the grill and redeer to jump into another rule of 3 diatribe, with ND also going hard on y2k for about a page then vanishing. At nearly 20 hours in everyone should be around in some capacity.

Now with all that being said, I may very well be wrong based on if y2k is actually scum or not. I'm not sold either way yet so I may be calling out good hunting instead of scum tactics. But for now bb is active, I'm giving redeer the benefit of the doubt of comparing his theory against past games taking time, but ND is failing to be useful elsewhere.

Outside of that I'm getting scum vibes from Venca and ghug, and I'd bet one of our lurkers (maybe 2) that has yet to post. I think krellin and Chaqa are slight town, krellin is playing more like he did before the flip in MXVII, more focused on gauging reactions rather than direct attacks. And Chaqa is pulling something indentical to what jamie started with last game in a VT role.

y2k what is your alternative suggestions to Peach and the PRs. Do you think guns are optimal and that vig should use a kill right away even if they dont have a good read. Also dont answer this but is there anyone you would trust with a gun right now?

You're funny brainbomb. Where do I say you're scum? I don't. I say you're harmful to town with your play style. That's enough on D1. We're bound to lynch a townie anyway, so it might as well be you, someone I think muddies the water rather than clearing it up. On top of it all, you could be scum.

I propose we lynch brainbomb or krellin for quality of life moving through this game. Reasons:

1. Both post a lot, but not with any real manner of substance.
2. Both have the tendency to get rather confrontational.

Among others.

First of all shut the fuck up if you are going to push for a lynch of townies were not lynching people you think are townies. You dont read clearly either.The only post youve managed to decipher was a 1 liner by Chaqa. I disagree with you completely and your defense of yourself is mortifying. Youve never been so lacking in sound reasoning before. True or False?

"First of all shut the fuck up".

See, I think my point is good :)

@Ob_Gyn_Kenobi

No Chaqa. its not. You have nothing else to offer?

What a PR should do, at least for N1, depends on who the PR is, and how the lynch goes today. I don't like openly discussing what PR's should do as much as others, as it gives more ideas to the mafia for how the town is mentally operating than it gives ideas to the PR's. Discussing the results of mafia and PR actions to figure out what happened after the first day/night and what's best going forward is another story, that can and should be heavily discussed.