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13 Aug 14 UTC

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ESPN Streak for the Ca$h

Anyone here play this with at least semi-seriousness, and is there interest in making a webDip group on ESPN for friendly competition? I haven't been picking too much but with CFB and NFL seasons starting up in a couple weeks, I plan on trying again. I've gotten up to W21 before during football season.

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Conway's Game of Life

I suspect many of you are familiar with Conway's game of life, and there may have been a thread on this topic in the past, but I have been messing around with different patterns and I find this 'game' simply amazing. Such simple physics, but such complex and cool things can happen. If you aren't familiar with the game check out the rules here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conway's_Game_of_Life
For those who do know about this, what is the coolest pattern you have seen??

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Tony Stewart Accidentally Runs Over/Kills Driver During Race

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtBH9FJ3LOU I have never watched a NASCAR or Sprint Cup race in my life...because frankly, I couldn't care less about cars going around and around in a circle 500 times (I don't doubt it's hugely challenging and takes talent, it's just not for me) but wow...what a way to go. :/ Getting run over like that mid-race, shit...

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13 Aug 14 UTC

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WHO approves unregistered interventions on Ebola patients

What could possibly go wrong?

http://www.iflscience.com/health-and-medicine/who-approves-use-unregistered-interventions-ebola-patients

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possible banned members page?

I visit a site called GTPlanet and they have a banned members page with some hilarious explanations of why the user was banned. I think it would be cool and funny to have one here as well!
Here's the page from GTPlanet as an example
http://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/banned-user-log.70684/

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10 Aug 14 UTC

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3 world games up

Stoneship I gameID=145085 20 hour phases
Stoneship II gameID=145724 18 hour phases
Stoneship III gameID=145725 16 hour phases
All Messaging Points/Supply Center

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10 Aug 14 UTC

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Is it possible for there to be a war where all sides are actually *right*?

We're all familiar with the idea that there are wars in which everyone is at fault. Let's consider the hypothetical opposite: Is it possible for there to be a war where all sides are actually *right*?
(This is somewhat related to the "religious people so anti-humanity" topic but I think this deserves it's own thread.)

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11 Aug 14 UTC

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in toronto for a day.

What should I do? Right now I'm hanging in dundas square at the hard rock.

Any suggestions?

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12 Aug 14 UTC

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number of players

new to the site and am starting a new game with some friends. We like the American Empire map, but do not have 10 players. can we start a game with fewer than that?

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07 Aug 14 UTC

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Looking for a new Russia

gameID=144987

Not a bad position to take over, otherwise we're paused indefinitely!

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12 Aug 14 UTC

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Jimmy Savile - fondly remembered

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-15507826

Oh how some people loved that man .....

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12 Aug 14 UTC

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Post vids or quote your favorite Robin Williams lines here

In honor of a legendary funnyman.

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11 Aug 14 UTC

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Robin Williams

http://insidemovies.ew.com/2014/08/11/robin-williams-dead-at-63/

RIP. One of my favorite actors/comedians.

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04 Aug 14 UTC

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The latest from Gaza

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-28635031

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/world/child-killed-30-hurt-in/1296076.html

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10 Aug 14 UTC

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24 hour , anon, WTA 25-50 pt full press.

Looking for 6 brave souls, who are reliable and will finish what they start....fight to the end.

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09 Aug 14 UTC
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"sounds good"

Is there any worse a reply to receive in Diplomacy?

Should you automatically attack any person who says this to you?

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11 Aug 14 UTC

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Robin Williams Found Dead of Possible Suicide at Age 63

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/11/robin-williams-dead-dies_n_5670050.html

One of the most instantly recognizable performers of his generation...what a huge loss. RIP

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09 Aug 14 UTC
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my destruction.

Ok just give me a minute I finally got back from work.

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11 Aug 14 UTC

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Anyone ever done some online tutoring?

Has anybody tried out sites like instaEDU? $20/hr sounds rather scammy and online reviews are mired by obvious shills so it's hard to get a read on it.

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10 Aug 14 UTC

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good generic role-playing game system for a fantasy setting?

i'm looking forward to playing a few sessions with friends/relatives, but haven't yet decided what system to use. can somebody recommend one or two systems? i wouldn't want to use more than three dice (only if there's an easy conting method like in fate), but wouldn't like no dice either. yet no other ideas on what the system should cover.

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06 Aug 14 UTC
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Any recent converts to Vegetarianism?

Any recent converts to Vegetarianism? How did you make the switch?

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11 Aug 14 UTC

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Replacement player needed

We need a replacement player to play england. Player was banned - Multi. Please have a look:

http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=145687

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11 Aug 14 UTC

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Looking for Replacement Player

Hey, we're looking for a replacement England player in our "Slow and Low (Stakes)" game. He got banned for multi and is actually in a good position gamewise. This wouldn't be a case of taking over a hopeless CD. Have a look and if you're interested, join in! Cheers!

gameID=145006

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10 Aug 14 UTC

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hello webdip developers

I would like to get in touch with other webdip developers. The dev forum is inactive, so I'm hoping to get in touch with other developers here.

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09 Aug 14 UTC

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Why are some so-called religious people so anti-humanity?

If you really believe in a higher power why would you support the torture/murder of innocent people ..... maybe this religion idea is not all it is cracked up to be. Maybe religious are the same as the rest of us but just think they are better.

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09 Aug 14 UTC

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Fail to save command

I often fail to save my commands. Sometime I have to tried several times. Do anyone meet the same problem? Any solution to solve this?

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08 Aug 14 UTC

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Anyone up for a game of Yesterday I, Murdered?

Combines logical progression, personal events, to end at "murder".

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08 Aug 14 UTC

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U of Minn. Trying to Ban Redskins Name/Logo When WSH Plays There Nov. 2

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/university-of-minnesota-wants-redskins-to-wear-throwback-jerseys-at-vikings-game/2014/08/07/d1be02a8-1e57-11e4-ab7b-696c295ddfd1_story.html While the Vikings are having their new stadium built, they're playing in U of Minn's...who, arguing the Washington team name "degrade[s] a race of people,” are seeking that the name be kept off all materials for the game, not used, and that Washington be forced to use its old spear logo instead.

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17 Jul 14 UTC

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The ground offensive has begun in Gaza....

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-28359582

I'm sure there will be people actually cheering this ....... so sad

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obiwanobiwan (248 )
22 Jul 14 UTC

"Hamas will not recognize Israel,” Mousa Abu Marzouk, deputy chairman of Hamas’ political bureau, told Al-Monitor in an exclusive interview with Al-Monitor, Mousa Abu Marzouk, deputy chairman of Hamas' political bureau, said that although it "will not recognize Israel ... Hamas will not burden the next government's success with hurdles and obstacles."

“This is a red line that cannot be crossed,” said the 63-year-old Hamas leader who played a pivotal role in achieving the reconciliation deal with Fatah on April 23.

Read more: http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2014/05/interview-abu-marzouk-hamas-israel-fatah-reconciliation.html##ixzz38CqNswnz"

^That is from May 2014, this year.

That is Hamas CURRENT position.

You CANNOT negotiate with a party on a peace deal when that party does not even recognize your right to exist, and even says that that's a red line, that it will NEVER do so!

Those blaming Israel for the peace process have fair points, but on the other side of it...the BASICS of a peace process would have to include acknowledging a state's right to exist, and Hamas denies that to this very day...this isn't a former position that they've moved on from, and they have showed no signs of backing off it, and have indeed maintain that they will NEVER back off it, NEVER cease attacking Israel or trying to destroy it...

If this were a nation saying this about Russia, Putin, you wouldn't accept them as peaceful for a second, wouldn't give them a chance!

That simply is not acceptable, and Hamas simply is not a party of change nor a party of peace or progress or progress towards peace.

Putin33 (111 )
22 Jul 14 UTC

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You were not just a week ago twisting in the wind insisting that pinning MH17 on Russia and pro-Russian separatists was a trick by Ukraine and the West."

As usual you have to deflect and distract, because you've been thoroughly owned here.

"If you'd like to suggest disposing of the whole of Hamas' leadership, by all means, I'm right behind you."

Except you don't want a change of leadership. You want the destruction of the whole party. This current crop of Hamas leaders have been very moderate, as Chairman has documented *extensively* (and to which you haven't replied with anything substantive except repetitious slogans).

obiwanobiwan (248 )
22 Jul 14 UTC

"What Israel should have done, as hard as it may be, is held back and let Hamas throw its rockets. Palestinian authorities would then have been forced from international pressure to work with Israel to dismantle the terrorist threat. Yes, it would be hard, but it would lay the groundwork for a more peaceful coexistance rather than a more radicalized one."

But that threat has existed for decades upon decades, now, Theodosius...

Even if we were just to talk about Hamas, and excluded the other parties that have held this "never recognize Israel, work towards its destruction" line, Hamas has held this line since 1987.

That's nearly a quarter of a century of this position and of this kind of hostility ant attacks on Israel...if Israel has not received the kind of en masse international support that you describe in a quarter of a century, why should it sit and wait for help that seemingly will never come?

Moreover, and more practically, how would you, as an Israeli politician, sell your people both on sitting and letting yourselves be rocketed without retaliation--even with the Iron Dome, that'd be an incredibly unpopular argument--AND to sell them that this is all to encourage an international effort that they've been awaiting for nearly 25 years now and STILL have not received?

"Evidence of things not seen" may be from Hebrews (ironically a New Testament book) but you cannot ask those people to have such faith in international assistance when that evidence is indeed so very lacking.

obiwanobiwan (248 )
22 Jul 14 UTC

"As usual you have to deflect and distract, because you've been thoroughly owned here."

I've dealt directly with this topic for hundreds of posts now--please. (And I notice you didn't deny my charge.)

"Except you don't want a change of leadership. You want the destruction of the whole party."

I'll take either at this point, as it's the ideology that needs to be destroyed, that "never recognize Israel," "work towards its destruction" ideology.

Destroy the party or chop or oust the leadership that hosts that poisonous ideology.

Putin33 (111 )
22 Jul 14 UTC

"Even if we were just to talk about Hamas, and excluded the other parties that have held this "never recognize Israel, work towards its destruction" line, Hamas has held this line since 1987."

You keep repeating this shit even though Chairman has thoroughly THOROUGHLY demolished this crap 100 times over, and you don't even bother to respond.

obiwanobiwan (248 )
22 Jul 14 UTC

"You keep repeating this shit even though Chairman has thoroughly THOROUGHLY demolished this crap 100 times over, and you don't even bother to respond."

...I GAVE A 10 PAGE RESPONSE!

Don't give me that bullshit! Call the response crap if you want, but Jesus man, 10 fucking pages...I RESPONDED!

lol

Putin33 (111 )
22 Jul 14 UTC

"I've dealt directly with this topic for hundreds of posts now--please. (And I notice you didn't deny my charge.)"

Because you simply repetitiously post a bunch of garbage I've responded to countless times in order to send threads down rabbit-holes, because you know that if it stays on topic you'll continue to get humiliated.

Putin33 (111 )
22 Jul 14 UTC

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...I GAVE A 10 PAGE RESPONSE!

Don't give me that bullshit! Call the response crap if you want, but Jesus man, 10 fucking pages...I RESPONDED!

lol"

Writing a bunch of words is not the same as responding. Evade, evade, evade. That's your m.o.

obiwanobiwan (248 )
22 Jul 14 UTC

Right now you're evading an answer to that Russia/MH17 point, Putin...

You never answered that point.

And Chairman counted it as a response--that is, the person I was directly responding TO counted it as a response. I'm sorry it didn't meet your lofty standards.

And checking Chairman's response--

He didn't say one thing about Hamas recognizing Israel's right to exist, or moving away from that destructive line of destroying Israel...the closest he comes is arguing that Operation Samson is equivalent in terms of ideology, which A. I would dispute and B. Even if true, STILL does not, as you say demolish that line as it doesn't even touch on it.

What's more, he asked me to cite my sources. And I have.

That's a direct quote, Putin. From Hamas itself.

Tell me, where are your sources?

Or is that beyond you?

And really? "Humiliated?" If you're the type of person who gets humiliated by (or seeks to humiliate) someone online, you truly are a pathetic individual. It's an online forum on an obscure website. Grow the hell up.

obiwanobiwan (248 )
22 Jul 14 UTC

And for someone who's upset that *I* allegedly dance around the point, you're doing a fine job of it now...

Direct quote. From Hamas. May 2014. Explicitly stating they'll never recognize Israel.

Which is what I have argued is their position for hundreds of posts now.

Do YOU have a direct quote from Hamas disputing that position, Putin?

Or are you puffing as much smoke as your namesake?

Putin33 (111 )
22 Jul 14 UTC

"Right now you're evading an answer to that Russia/MH17 point, Putin..."

The militias handed over the black boxes and the Russian government has been sharing information it had on its radar. Meanwhile there is nothing coming out of the United States despite the fact that you and all the rest of the warmongers are behaving as if you have ironclad evidence, just like you had ironclad evidence of WMDs and all the rest of your warmongering lies.

There, I went down the fucking rabbit hole with you, happy?

Now respond to Chairman's posts.

"He didn't say one thing about Hamas recognizing Israel's right to exist, or moving away from that destructive line of destroying Israel.."

*He responded to this at length, demonstrating that behavior is more important than ideological documents, citing the Samson doctrine as an example*

Evade, evade, evade.

obiwanobiwan (248 )
22 Jul 14 UTC

Look who's evading now...QUOTE, PUTIN!

GIVE. ME. A. QUOTE.

Give me a quote FROM Hamas DISPUTING my quote...or shut up about evasion!

I gave you a direct challenge and a direct quote..

If you can't give me a quote to dispute mine, then knock it off with that...

And if you WON'T give me a quote, then knock it off with the evasion allegations.

Putin33 (111 )
22 Jul 14 UTC

"Direct quote. From Hamas. May 2014. Explicitly stating they'll never recognize Israel."

Why should Hamas recognize Israel? Who cares? They've said they could come to a long-term truce with Israel regardless of recognition. This recognition nonsense is irrelevant.

Putin33 (111 )
22 Jul 14 UTC

Does Israel recognize Hamas as a legitimate political party? Does the USA? Recognition is meaningless.

obiwanobiwan (248 )
22 Jul 14 UTC

"He responded to this at length, demonstrating that behavior is more important than ideological documents, citing the Samson doctrine as an example"

That isn't a response to the ALLEGATION, Putin.

He may have tried to compare ideologies or allege why Hamas has one, but he did not respond to/refute the actual allegation of mine that Hamas has a "Destroy Israel/Never Recognize Israel" policy, he never gave (nor have you) a quote disputing that piece of ideology.

Putin33 (111 )
22 Jul 14 UTC

http://www.sfgate.com/politics/article/Hamas-would-accept-Saudi-peace-plan-spokesman-2844179.php

Putin33 (111 )
22 Jul 14 UTC

"but he did not respond to/refute the actual allegation of mine that Hamas has a "Destroy Israel/Never Recognize Israel" policy, he never gave (nor have you) a quote disputing that piece of ideology."

He showed that it's irrelevant.

obiwanobiwan (248 )
22 Jul 14 UTC

"Why should Hamas recognize Israel? Who cares? They've said they could come to a long-term truce with Israel regardless of recognition. This recognition nonsense is irrelevant."

...Because it's the internationally-recognized basis for ANY Peace Deal? O.o

And when their line is "We don't recognize your Right to Exist" (again, one of the UN's recognized fundamental rights of a state) you are thereby, by the United Nations' own set of laws, violating the first step in a peace process.

Do you want a peace process, or are you all smoke and mirrors?

If you want a peace process, you need to recognize Israel's right to exist--that's not me saying that...that's the United Nations.

So, if you ACTUALLY want peace, Putin, recognition is NOT irrelevant.

obiwanobiwan (248 )
22 Jul 14 UTC

"He showed that it's irrelevant."

And kindly see the above (or check with the United Nations) to see why that's nonsense.

If you want peace, you NEED to recognize the Right to Existence.

Putin33 (111 )
22 Jul 14 UTC

Hamas is on record stating they would accept a permanent peaceful settlement with the Israelis, and even cooperate with the Israelis in good neighborly relations (read the link I provided you). That is defacto if not dejure recognition. Dejure recognition is just symbolic nonsense to get in the way of a deal.

Putin33 (111 )
22 Jul 14 UTC

Nobody recognizes anybody's "right to existence". Certainly the US and USSR never recognized each other's "right to existence". Palestinians shouldn't be held to a higher standard than the rest of the world.

obiwanobiwan (248 )
22 Jul 14 UTC

And a long-term truce =/= as a peace deal...

You need look no further than North Korea/South Korea for that.

I know you're fine with the DPRK, but no one else here is.

So, everyone not supporting communist totalitarian governments--

Would you prefer the world's most militarized border and a Press Here for WWIII button a la the 47th Parallel splitting the Koreas...or would you agree that recognizing Israel's right to exist is fundamental to ANY peace deal, and that THAT is preferable to a mere "long-term truce" (never mind that a "long-term truce" in the Middle East is as long as the very, very short fuses on their explosives.)

obiwanobiwan (248 )
22 Jul 14 UTC

"Nobody recognizes anybody's "right to existence"."

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BRITISH WEBDIPPERS! THE UNITED STATES RECOGNIZES THE UK'S RIGHT TO EXIST!

AMERICAN WEBDIPPERS! THE UNITED KINGDOM RECOGNIZES THE US'S RIGHT TO EXIST!

HUZZAH...COLOR (er, sorry) COLOUR ME TICKLED PINK!

(Yes, Putin. Countries recognize the right to exist of other nations. In fact, Abbas has expressed sentiment that he supports Israel's right to exist, so even within this conflict, you're blowing smoke from out your ass again.)

obiwanobiwan (248 )
22 Jul 14 UTC

And your link is 12 years old, Putin.

A quote from May 2014 is more pertinent to a party's current position than one from 2002.

Or would you like to quote me Bush-era doctrines and claim it's as pertinent as 2014, Obama-era policy today when understanding the US's CURRENT position?

Putin33 (111 )
22 Jul 14 UTC

"And a long-term truce =/= as a peace deal...

It's the same thing.

"You need look no further than North Korea/South Korea for that."

Hamas has said it would cease all military activities. So the comparison doesn't work.

"I know you're fine with the DPRK, but no one else here is."

Can you make one post without mentioning North Korea or pandering to an audience that doesn't like you?

I guess not.

Keep trying to change the topic.

Putin33 (111 )
22 Jul 14 UTC

"Or would you like to quote me Bush-era doctrines and claim it's as pertinent as 2014, Obama-era policy today when understanding the US's CURRENT position?"

You're the one invoking policy positions from 1987 to talk about 2014, so that's rich. This has been Hamas's consistent position, consider that Hamas said this at the height of the 2nd Intifada.

Putin33 (111 )
22 Jul 14 UTC

It's abundantly clear that you don't want peace. You just want to destroy Hamas, it doesn't matter what they do or what they have done.

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Obi, you're hammering home on this one point, as if whether it's true or not justifies everything else. It does not. Nor is it a very solid point, as whether or not Hamas says they recognize Israel, they have to deal directly with Israel every day. They are surrounded by them. As I said, it's puffery, nothing more, and not a real standing policy when it comes to every day negotiations and politics.

Even if that were the case, here were the conditions offered in the unity government

“President Abbas emphasized that these commitments include ***recognition of Israel***, non-violence, and adherence to previous agreements. President Abbas also reiterated his continued commitment to peace negotiations and to non-violent popular protests.”
http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=47649#.U83e2PldV4A

Yet this effort was sabotaged by the Israeli government at every pass. The only one not offering to recognize the other is Israel in this instance, not Hamas.

You're clearly looking for a gotcha point in this debate when there isn't one. Stop trying to simplify this whole thing.

Chairman Sheng-Ji Yang (0 )
22 Jul 14 UTC

"He may have tried to compare ideologies or allege why Hamas has one, but he did not respond to/refute the actual allegation of mine that Hamas has a "Destroy Israel/Never Recognize Israel" policy, he never gave (nor have you) a quote disputing that piece of ideology"

You're playing semantics here. I wasn't ever trying to dispute that point, I am not going to dispute a fact of reality, something that is written down. My point goes over that and shows why that doesn't matter. It's not a tangible or realistic policy, one that will never see completion nor the light of day beyond any peace deal, and isn't even possible from the start.

NigeeBaby (100 )
22 Jul 14 UTC

Guys I think you have been very successfully trolled ...... do you think he really cares about finding a solution, why should he, nobody else in Netanyahus team does !!

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No quick fix in Iraq say Oblamer

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-28725908

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